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Well you know as well as i do we need another big. Actually Ndiaye type big. we don't need a 4th or 5th SF.
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Well you know as well as i do we need another big. Actually Ndiaye type big. we don't need a 4th or 5th SF.
Section 101
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Don't get mad because the 4 or 5 posters here have seen what Evans is from the start. The rest had way to high expectations of him. His RoY and 20-5-5 will be the highlight of his career only because he was given the keys. The day Martin was traded was the day Evans was doomed. He got a sense of entitlement that he didn't earn or deserve. The only way Evans can play is if he is the best player on the team and controls the ball. That team will win 25 games every year.
King Baller
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WOW, Tyreke Evans is 23 years old and you KNOW all this???
Tyreke should start at the Two Guard spot where he can defend the others teams starting 2. That is the value Evans brings right now. His defense along with his driving ability are already at a high level.
Marcus Thornton should be the sixth man and play 30 plus minutes a night scoring big like he does.
KB
Mm yes. And you know this because ... that's what we won when he controlled the ball? But now we, with our mighty team of Demarcus Cousins at the helm and mighty Isaiah Thomas on the other hand, have shown and proven that we can consistently win 50 games a year! Now it's one thing to say that given we have Cousins and the rest of our players, Tyreke doesn't quite fit. It's something entirely different to insist that if he were on another team with the offense being initiated through him he'd be winning only 25 games every season for his whole career.
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Going into training camp I thought Evans should be the starting 2. Now at the end, he hasn't earned it. Thornton has outplayed him by a ton. Thornton is even out rebounding Evans and has a better Assist/TO ratio. Evans problem is between the ears it's not about what position he is playing.
Can you say that Evans's and Thornton's roles are similar? If by outplayed, you mean, score more points, then yes. Let's play Thornton out of position or ask him to operate in a style entirely opposite to what he's been taught to do since birth and see how that turns out.
I'm honestly mystified at people who can't see the difference between players being put in a position to succeed and being put in a position to fail. Smart is trying to shoehorn Evans in at SF, even though it didn't work last year, and it isn't working this year. Where is that Tyreke's fault? Is he trying to neuter him by making him a spot up shooter? That's what it looks like to me.
I'm not an NBA coach, so I'll defer to those who are, but I have enough experience to know that letting him work at the SG position with ever-rotating wacky lineups is not the best way to assess someone.
I'm honestly mystified at people who can't see the difference between players being put in a position to succeed and being put in a position to fail. Smart is trying to shoehorn Evans in at SF, even though it didn't work last year, and it isn't working this year. Where is that Tyreke's fault? Is he trying to neuter him by making him a spot up shooter? That's what it looks like to me.
I'm not an NBA coach, so I'll defer to those who are, but I have enough experience to know that letting him work at the SG position with ever-rotating wacky lineups is not the best way to assess someone.
Kingster
Hall of Famer
He's had his chance to play the SG during the preseason. How'd he look? The last Lakers game he looked pretty mediocre to me on defense and offense (especially defense). Small sample size (I've only seen the one game on TV), but the games I've heard where he's played SG I don't hear people saying he's an All Star or anything. It's kind of ho-hum. I haven't heard reports either about his shot being better.
I haven't been blown away by him this preseason but I still believe its due in large part to how he has been developed/handled. This offseason smart claimed he wasn't a sf, that he needed the ball in his hands yet plays him at sf and even when he is a sg, off the ball primarily.
It has to be confusing for a young and by all accounts sensitive kid. The reality is that he came in to camp in great shape and apparently put a lot of work into his game this offseason. This isn't a lazy problem child like the league has seen before.
Bricklayer
Don't Make Me Use The Bat
Reke looked pretty good last time at SG, matched against Kobe Bryant and Metta World Peace BTW. Regardless however now your argument is based on, what? 3 preseason games where he played SG? He hasn't really hurt us in those games aside from the bad shooting night in G.S>, which seemed to be team wide. Whether he's been great or not is another question, but also quails in the face of the constantly shifting personnel around him in what is, still preseason. Right now Steve Nash looks like a scrub and a terrible pickup too.
I actually agree a lot of this is Reke's head. But half of that is coaching, as he's being yanked, jerked, told to play against all his instincts, told to shoot shots he knows he is not good at, told to guard guys who outweigh him by 30lbs. And frankly he's too good a teammate. Too good a guy. When other peeps come in demanding shots, he accepts it and backs off and tries to not cause a problem. When the riffraff is cleared away and the ball is put in his hands, boom, all of a sudden he's Reke again. That again is something on the coach and GM as much as the player. You should be celebrating and featuring a talent with an unselfish streak, not burying it.
Hadlowe
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The main problem is that Evans is a better two-way player than any of our other guards. His size and athleticism give him the keys to shut down any two-guard in the league. Offensively, he is Rajon Rondo with half the court vision. Part of that is that Tyreke doesn't have Allen, Pierce, and Garnett to play with. The other part is that he is a score-first guard while Rondo is as close to a pure point as you'll find in the league.
But that doesn't mean that Tyreke can't be the primary ball handler when he is on the floor. As Brick has pointed out, you just have to build the offense to fit him. You need folks who can hit corner threes, bigs who can hit a mid-range jumper, and good spacing. We have the bigs with the mid-range jumpers in Thompson and Cousins, but we are missing the other pieces.
I am unconvinced that Brooks will fit with Tyreke any better than Isaiah Thomas does due to their ball-dominant playstyle. You don't want another ball-dominant guard playing while Tyreke is on the floor. If Jimmer can raise his defensive play to even mediocre, he is the best natural fit with Tyreke as a three point specialist. We are still limited in shooting by our small forwards, but if Robinson can start consistently knocking down 15-18 foot jumpers, spacing issues dissolve just as easily.
And, yes, you cannot bench Tyreke and keep him in Sacramento. If Smart cannot find a way to fit Tyreke into a coherent game plan, his success with Cousins will be a wash as far as developing this team into a playoff squad.
Is it possible the coach and GM see and have seen something we haven't? No one hasmore incentive to get the most out Evans than those guys. Sometimes I think that Tyreke sleeps at the switch too much, on both ends. No doubt he has special talents. If Tyreke can keep his head in the game he can be a very special SG for the Kings, even if he doesn't master outsidde shooting as much as we would like.
HereWeBoogie
Hall of Famer
i don't really think Smart is trying to make him just a spot up shooter, he's just trying to get him to become a consistent outside shooter, because if that ever does happen, and the Defense has to choose either let him drive or let him shoot, Tyreke becomes an all-star. thats why he is putting so much into getting his shot going
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