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Didn't Karl let Cousins play in the post after he took over last year? It would seem strange that a coach with a successful track record as Karl would throw that out the window.

Perhaps Karl is just giving Cousins more leeway on offense because it's Cousins' idea to operate more on the perimeter.

He also played Rudy at the 4 and talked about how much he liked him there....and that he was likely to be there a lot this season. Things may have got confusing in terms of ideal lineups, with the strong initial play of Willie and him being considered for the starting lineup.

I still want to see Cousins at the 5 and Rudy at the 4. The question is how do we fit Koufos and Willie into the mix. Willie could play the 4, but on offense he doesn't really fit into the offensive scheme at that position
 
Didn't Karl let Cousins play in the post after he took over last year? It would seem strange that a coach with a successful track record as Karl would throw that out the window.

Perhaps Karl is just giving Cousins more leeway on offense because it's Cousins' idea to operate more on the perimeter.
I sincerely hope that this is just some preseason schtuff and that we won't see this excessive perimeter play by Cousins.
 
How ironic that the thing people here dreaded, Rudy at the 4, is what people are asking for now. Truth is with Rondo and especially WCS or Koufos on the floor its very hard to give Cuz good post looks. I think when we are closing out quarters we will see Cuz, Rudy, Bellinelli, Collison, Rondo or I could see Casspi in there and one of the point guards sitting, depending on matchups of course. With those lineups Cuz will be in the post more. In pre season we havent seen mix and matching between the starters and the bench too much.
 
How ironic that the thing people here dreaded, Rudy at the 4, is what people are asking for now. Truth is with Rondo and especially WCS or Koufos on the floor its very hard to give Cuz good post looks. I think when we are closing out quarters we will see Cuz, Rudy, Bellinelli, Collison, Rondo or I could see Casspi in there and one of the point guards sitting, depending on matchups of course. With those lineups Cuz will be in the post more. In pre season we havent seen mix and matching between the starters and the bench too much.

People aren't getting this yet with the whole "Why aren't we maximizing Cuz, Rudy" speal (which I think is wrong, but w/e), but we signed up for less Cuz-in-the-post when we signed Rondo. Teams will double off him every single time Cuz gets the ball in the low block and either for Cuz to beat the double team, or let Rondo take a jumper. Either way, its a big win for the defense.
 
George Karl, #8 Is a SMALL FORWARD!!!!! He loses his advantages when used as aPF.

Mostly that's the way its played out thus far. A couple of early games, including the disastrous opener, aside.

WCS looks like he may have made himself the starter. Rudy's done well comparatively this preseason. Cuz and Ben become the concerns. Cuz is too talented, he's going to get his, but its just a question of how fugly, inefficient, and impact free Karl can make him with his junkball. Ben I just don't know. He refuses to step forward.
 
People aren't getting this yet with the whole "Why aren't we maximizing Cuz, Rudy" speal (which I think is wrong, but w/e), but we signed up for less Cuz-in-the-post when we signed Rondo. Teams will double off him every single time Cuz gets the ball in the low block and either for Cuz to beat the double team, or let Rondo take a jumper. Either way, its a big win for the defense.

We signed Rondo to free Cuz of some of the ball handling responsibilities and to give him some easy looks via the pick&roll, while getting everyone around him more involved, due to Rondo's courtvision.
The good thing is, that, while your concerns regarding Cuz's post game with Rondo on the floor are valid, we can still sub in DC to change our approach.
I personally think Karl is more than smart enough, to be aware of the force Cuz is in the post versus some opponents.
And I don't think that he will sacrifice any offensive potential this team has, only to stick to a certain vision of how games should be played.
We have great versatility this year and as a Kings Fan this is something I missed for a decade.
I'm eager to watch, how things will be handled once the season starts.
 
Rudy @SF has looked excellent it's all about having a SG now that can space the floor (we need Beli off the bench). WCS is without question the starting PF in my mind not sure what else he could do to prove that.
 
Boogie is averaging 27/11 per 36 minutes this preseason. He's getting to the FT line 13 times per 36 minutes. That'll do just fine.

The only concerns are his shooting efficiency and turnovers. The scoring efficiency can be fixed by nixing the three ball. Boogie shot 1/12 from three this preseason. Sorry Boogie, its not working out.

Cousins w/ the three ball:
50.6 TS%

Cousins w/out the three ball (taking out his 1/12 from three):
56.6 TS%

As for the turnovers, he simply has to make better decisions. Swing it instead of driving into a crowd. Pass it out when there's a crowd around the basket. Its the same old Boogie stuff. He's always been a high turnover big. Its up to coaching to limit that.
 
At the end of the day if our main issue from pre season is Boogies play, then we are in good shape. Karl is not an idiot, he will get the best out of this team.

If our worries in pre season was over reliance on Boogie, than we should be worried. I view it as we have a team that no longer needs Cuz to dominate every second of every minute he is out there to compete. Karl is building the base, unleashing the boogie monster is the easiest and most obvious card he has in his hand.
 
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Mostly that's the way its played out thus far. A couple of early games, including the disastrous opener, aside.

WCS looks like he may have made himself the starter. Rudy's done well comparatively this preseason. Cuz and Ben become the concerns. Cuz is too talented, he's going to get his, but its just a question of how fugly, inefficient, and impact free Karl can make him with his junkball. Ben I just don't know. He refuses to step forward.
I was at the game, I believe Ben attacked the rim successfully in the second half.
 
This was my first Kings game and I got to watch it at Rupp Arena. Wow. What a dream come true for me. One thing I noticed about watching the game tonight was that Collison was much better than Rondo at getting to the rim and scoring in isolation. Rondo was masterful at coming into the game and moving everyone around in screens, cuts, and curls. When Collison was out there everyone seemed to spread out and stand still.

Alonzo Gee played great defense on Belinelli and made life miserable for Marco. Davis got hot at the start of the game when guarded by Kosta. Davis cooled off when Kosta decided to respect his outside shooting.

Probably the most interesting thing for me in this game was what happened on bench and not the game itself. Every time there was a stoppage of play and the team went to the sidelines, all of the coaches except Nancy huddled together and the players plus Nancy huddle together. Rondo would hold the chalkboard and draw up plays while Nancy looked over his shoulder. Rondo would be pointing at people and then pointing to the chalkboard. Then at some point all the coaches would come over and Karl would sit down, look at the chalkboard, erase nothing and write nothing and say very little until the buzzer sounded off and the team got back on the court. It is apparent to me, that at least for that game, Karl completely put the game in Rondo's hands to sink or swim. To be fair, I was not directly behind the bench and could not hear what was going on.

If Carmichael Dave or someone else was at the game or heard from players, it would be interesting to find out what was going on there.

I was at the game also. But I was "upstairs" and on the opposite side. Arco's upstairs is luxury compared to Rupp's. Still enjoyed it.

That aside, what I found interesting was what I perceived as a change in attitude among the spectators when Cousins got his tech. When the game started Davis got the loudest ovation among former UK players. The spectators were there for the players and sporting Kentucky blue and not the teams. My sister who had never been to any pro or college game was concerned cause I was wearing Kings "colors." She thought I was wearing some other college colors cause she didn't realize we going to see pro teams. I have no idea what Cousins did to deserve it and by the fan reaction neither did anyone else. The displeasure was in unison and sustained. That was followed by the bogus block called on Cousins and from then on it seemed the fans were siding with Cousins' team. I'm biased so my perception may be off.
 
How did Cuz get 13 FTA in 24 minutes if he hung out at the perimeter all game? That's an absurd FT rate and there's absolutely nothing wrong with him scoring 19 on 13 shots.

We still really haven't seen what the rotations are going to look like. None of our starters have really gone past 30 MPG this preseason; I imagine that will change once real games come around.
Simple he wasn't on the perimeter all night. He did damage inside. I did have to wonder if Davis hitting the outside shot is motivating him to do so also.
 
We signed Rondo to free Cuz of some of the ball handling responsibilities and to give him some easy looks...

Do you really think Cousins has ball handling responsibilities? It always seemed to me that he handles the ball (e.g. brings the ball up court) because he likes it, not because the coach designates it as his responsibility.
 
Do you really think Cousins has ball handling responsibilities? It always seemed to me that he handles the ball (e.g. brings the ball up court) because he likes it, not because the coach designates it as his responsibility.

Cuz was one of the primary play makers when Karl took over and Ray started at PG.
 
George Karl, #8 Is a SMALL FORWARD!!!!! He loses his advantages when used as aPF.


Unless if you think putting up a solid 20 and 10 is bad or something. The efficiency has been off an on, but at least he's been cleaning the boards. I think Gay at PF should be the thing looked at as way to give Cousins space, but since Cuz is out at the 3 point line most of the time I'm not sure how necessary it is.
 
Didn't Karl let Cousins play in the post after he took over last year? It would seem strange that a coach with a successful track record as Karl would throw that out the window.

Perhaps Karl is just giving Cousins more leeway on offense because it's Cousins' idea to operate more on the perimeter.

so what does that tell you about Karl if he is moving away from what was working last season and the season prior to that?
 
Boogie is averaging 27/11 per 36 minutes this preseason. He's getting to the FT line 13 times per 36 minutes. That'll do just fine.

The only concerns are his shooting efficiency and turnovers. The scoring efficiency can be fixed by nixing the three ball. Boogie shot 1/12 from three this preseason. Sorry Boogie, its not working out.

Cousins w/ the three ball:
50.6 TS%

Cousins w/out the three ball (taking out his 1/12 from three):
56.6 TS%

As for the turnovers, he simply has to make better decisions. Swing it instead of driving into a crowd. Pass it out when there's a crowd around the basket. Its the same old Boogie stuff. He's always been a high turnover big. Its up to coaching to limit that.


I don't like Cuz relying on whistles to that extent. When the chirps finally go away plenty of technicals will follow.
 
Im fine with cousins shooting one or two threes a game as long as he is still getting a good percentage of his shots at the rim and actively doing other things such as rebounding and setting good screens. Cousins has never had a season in particular where he shot a very good %, besides from some games last year.
Didn't Karl let Cousins play in the post after he took over last year? It would seem strange that a coach with a successful track record as Karl would throw that out the window.

Perhaps Karl is just giving Cousins more leeway on offense because it's Cousins' idea to operate more on the perimeter.


I think Cousins is having more freedom and getting lazy and playing more on the perimeter. Looks like his 1st and 2nd year in the league. Malone Disciplined him, and now it seems like he is trying too hard to fit in.
 
Unless if you think putting up a solid 20 and 10 is bad or something. The efficiency has been off an on, but at least he's been cleaning the boards. I think Gay at PF should be the thing looked at as way to give Cousins space, but since Cuz is out at the 3 point line most of the time I'm not sure how necessary it is.

If Rudy plays the 4, he'll be a stretch 4 much of the time in this offense and he will be out at the 3 point line a lot. The 5 man (Cousins) will be inside, with no "excuse" or reason to be way outside, within the normal flow of the offense.

They want a 4 man in this offense who is very versatile offensively and can also stretch the floor. Rudy is ideal for that. I've also seen his defense be better against some taller guys, than it is against the better more mobile 3's. He was very effective against Anthony Davis, late last season.

The front court starting lineup to make the best use of our two best players is probably...
Cousins, Gay, Casspi
 
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Do you really think Cousins has ball handling responsibilities? It always seemed to me that he handles the ball (e.g. brings the ball up court) because he likes it, not because the coach designates it as his responsibility.
Grant gets pissed everytime Cuz tries to take the handle the ball himself.. he's always saying Cuz needs to give the ball to his guard...3s later..turn over.
 
People aren't getting this yet with the whole "Why aren't we maximizing Cuz, Rudy" speal (which I think is wrong, but w/e), but we signed up for less Cuz-in-the-post when we signed Rondo. Teams will double off him every single time Cuz gets the ball in the low block and either for Cuz to beat the double team, or let Rondo take a jumper. Either way, its a big win for the defense.

That doesn't necessitate Cousins always hanging around the perimeter. Traditional low post opportunities are going to be hard to come by with Rondo out there, but a heavy dose of pick and roll with Cousins and Rondo could provide DeMarcus with some of the high percentage opportunities he's been lacking in the preseason. And I'm willing to bet it quickly becomes one of the pillars of are offense.
 
Grant gets pissed everytime Cuz tries to take the handle the ball himself.. he's always saying Cuz needs to give the ball to his guard...3s later..turn over.

I don't mind when he goes against other bigs. He gets in trouble when he tries to dribble around guards.
 
And Davis responded by draining threes. At that point in the game, the Kings were getting their asses handed to them.

No need to get sensitive. Davis looked limp like undercooked bacon after Cousins dunked on him. I can 100% guarantee that every team in the league would rather have to game plan for Anthony Davis than Demarcus Cousins.

Does anyone else think that just about everyone, including people on this site, are underestimating the Kings? George Karl with this roster? Its probably the best roster he has ever had.
 
No actually its not.

The bench is looking fine. That's confusing people and disguising the mess with the starting crew. There have been multiple preseason games where our starting lineup is getting jumped on. In this one again the starting 5 have negative +/-s and shoot a combined 17-45, .377 FG%. Last game Cuz was here it was 15-38, .395 FG%.

So if they keep playing like they've played in the preseason, what's your prediction of win-loss for the first 10 games of the regular season?
 
Sounds about right: if feels like, as with our Summer League run of a year ago, that we played our rotation guys more than any other team we played against this preseason. Not to mention that sixty-percent of our wins came against teams that will very probably finish in the bottom third of the western conference.

The Kings demonstrated a lot of things to be optimistic about, and a whole lot of things to be very worried about. It seems as though a lot of Kings Fans are willfully overlooking the things to be worried about because of 5-1.
 
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