[Game] Kings vs. Pacers, 11/07/21 3pm Pacific 6pm Eastern

[Rob-The-Great]

Embarrassing, and this is on the players. Sleepy sleepy sleepy, wake up end of game. I am not putting this on Luke. There is nobody on this squad who can take over a game when everyone sucks.

How are you not putting this on Luke? Not even a little? We played musical chairs with players at most crucial part of the game, set up terrible last minute plays, I mean what was that ending about? Kings players didn't play well, but there is def se blame that luke can and should take

 

[Tetsujin]

And that's the conundrum. No matter how you slice it, he's still the only one that can get a shot for himself with a defense focused on him. That was a good shot for him most nights. Can't complain about the look.

It bounced off the rim too. The way this forum is posting, you'd think he was the one who randomly airmailed a three pointer with 8 seconds left on the clock for some reason.

 

[SacTownKid]

Too bad his brain went all Buddy Hield / Terrence Davis on that last shot. Lol

Haliburton has been going through some fog on both ends. I was surprised Walton didn't bench him for allowing his man to backdoor him from the corner a couple of times.

 

[reptilexcq2]

The fans are not even chanting "defense." It looks like there isn't much folks watching the game. Kings are not getting homecourt advantage. I don't mind Haliburton 3pts shot at the end there. It just happened to be air ball...oh well. This team cannot afford to relax....they have not earned any respect from anybody. They blew out a bad team couple days ago and I guess they think they're feeling good? But man, the fact that they keep missing shots tell me they aren't work hard enough? Or is it because of Pacers defense? I think Pacers play great D though.

 

[steelevt]

we should have went to buddy bailout for both of our last offensive plays. Buddy would have had a better shot at the long 3 Ty air balled and buddy also hit the last second heave the end of the first quarter, why not give him another shot go get a dribble and half court shot with 2.5 secs left? Like others said we didn’t need a Hail Mary heave like it was .8 secs or something.

 

[Tetsujin]

I don't think the Pacers are better, though they're certainly better than their record. Kings picked up the D over the last few quarters. Richaun had a mediocre game. Fox was straight bad on both ends. (7/19 with more TO's than assists just not a good look for yer start point guard.) HB missed some open looks from 3. Team got crushed on the boards.

And STILL they scrapped and scrapped and had a wide-open midrange jumper to tie the game, then the Tyrese long ball.

Real gut check coming tomorrow against Phoenix.

He's our two guard now though.

 

[kb02]

Too bad his brain went all Buddy Hield / Terrence Davis on that last shot. Lol

Lolzzz. True. Ugh

 

[kb02]

Hali got the ball the next opportunity and missed a 30 foot three pointer by two feet that he didn't necessarily need to take.

Sure, but still. As I said over the summer in the Fox for Simmons proposal, I think Hali will end up being the better player and decision maker. Believe that even more now.

 

[dude12]

Fox trolls out in force….meanwhile, every Kings player had a subpar game. Barnes was horrid, Davion had his solid D moments but also got torched by TJ and had 2 points, Hali had a good stretch and then finished with poor decision after poor decision. Holmes was not good at all. Len was actually good. Thought Hield was reasonably good then looked at his shooting numbers.

Bad loss

 

[Woot!]

He's our two guard now though.

If you insist. He's leading the team in assists pretty easily. However you slice it, 2 assts and 3 TO's for DFox - something less than awesome.

 

[SacTownKid]

How are you not putting this on Luke? Not even a little? We played musical chairs with players at most crucial part of the game, set up terrible last minute plays, I mean what was that ending about? Kings players didn't play well, but there is def se blame that luke can and should take

Luke isn't going to be perfect, but he didn't go full on Luke in this one so that's positive. Last season he would've probably started Tristan and Holmes to match up with their bigs. Taking Len and Buddy out was perhaps something he would change but this Luke won't tank your team.

 

[Rob-The-Great]

If the Kings keep getting the shots they got in this game, it will be a winning season. They couldn't hit anything from 3. This team needs an upgrade at SF though, that will continue to hinder them in the long run. Harkless can come up big and plays solid but the Pacers called the Kings bluff early on by hiding Sabonis on him. The Pacers weakness is defending pick and roll with Sabonis. Other teams are putting PG's on Harkless or their weakest defenders full stop now.

Don't speak on Harkless, they will come after you

 

[reptilexcq2]

Fox not only bad on offense but defensively, he couldn't guard to keep up with anybody either. I thought he can be a good defensive player, but I think I was wrong. It's too easy to get guy open by doing pick n roll. Mitchell at least learn how to fight over it and sustain it at time.

 

[Kingz19]

I’m getting ready to trade Fox for Simmons. May as well have our offensively inept guy be a superior playmaker, tall, and elite defender.

Fox will need to start playing good again for the Kings to swing that deal. His only good games so far this season is the games where he sort of blended in and chipped in a quiet 17 or 19 points. “Assertive Fox” has actually hurt the Kings so far and we’re close to being past “it’s early”.

Seeing the makeup of the Kings, and perhaps hope that Davion is a starter and somebody who will be a consistent double figures scorer in time..then i no longer view Fox for Simmons as a “lateral move” as I said before....assuming “Mental health” Simmons is just a ploy to not play for the Sixers while continuing to receive a paycheck..I would absolutely make that deal right now.

Im not saying this is who Fox is and he won’t turn it around, but I can see how Simmons makes the Kings better now more so than I did a month ago.

 

[EIM86]

This was the 9th out of 10th game we had a lead during the 4th. I don’t know if this will thicken us up later in the season but if it does it will be cause we got used to being in shi** shows during the 4th

 

[SacTownKid]

If you insist. He's leading the team in assists pretty easily. However you slice it, 2 assts and 3 TO's for DFox - something less than awesome.

Most games he is. There are moments where he's taking over and getting his number called as the go to, most other nights not. And Luke commented on it already, it's by design. Too bad he doesn't realize it's a FLAWED design.

 

[iowamcnabb]

Kings getting killed when Holmes plays against big centers. Kings thriving on the boards when it’s Holmes against undersized bigs.

He does struggle against bigger centers sometimes but all of our wins have come against big centers: Nurkic, Ayton, Valanciunas (twice) and Plumlee

 

[kb02]

Fox trolls out in force….meanwhile, every Kings player had a subpar game. Barnes was horrid, Davion had his solid D moments but also got torched by TJ and had 2 points, Hali had a good stretch and then finished with poor decision after poor decision. Holmes was not good at all. Len was actually good. Thought Hield was reasonably good then looked at his shooting numbers.

Bad loss

That was a winnable game. The loss wasn’t on Fox, it was because 5he Kings were severely outclassed at the 5 spot. Pacers got one all star and another borderline all star at the 5 spot. Kings have Holmes and Len.

But going back to Fox, he certainly didn’t help the Kings win tonight. And if you’re the teams anointed star, you really gotta start playing like the team’s star.

 

[Tetsujin]

Most games he is. There are moments where he's taking over and getting his number called as the go to, most other nights not. And Luke commented on it already, it's by design. Too bad he doesn't realize it's a FLAWED design.

When Harrison Barnes is the team's leading assist getter for the night, something has obviously gone wrong.

 

[kb02]

He does struggle against bigger centers sometimes but all of our wins have come against big centers: Nurkic, Ayton, Valanciunas (twice) and Plumlee

Well, sure. But he struggled against all of the above except Plumlee, who was moving like sand in that game.

 

[SacTownKid]

He does struggle against bigger centers sometimes but all of our wins have come against big centers: Nurkic, Ayton, Valanciunas (twice) and Plumlee

Thank you Alex Len. haha. Seriously though, Holmes has been doing a great job making it as tough on the big guys. They can pound him but he can run circles around them going the opposite way.

 

[The_Jamal]

Don't speak on Harkless, they will come after you

Who's Mr. Sensitive now? You're actually hillarious, can't believe Bagley stans still exist.

Literally no one thinks Harkless is more than a 8-9 man off the bench who should be like a 12-15 MPG defensive guy. The sad reality is he's forced into a big role BECAUSE of how inept Bagley is at playing basketball. That's the problem.

 

[Woot!]

This was the 9th out of 10th game we had a lead during the 4th. I don’t know if this will thicken us up later in the season but if it does it will be cause we got used to being in shi** shows during the 4th

Not surprising since every game except Friday's has been competitive, but that is quite a stat. No question that Fox needs to be better if he's to be the closer.

 

[Rob-The-Great]

Fox has that extra muscle packed on. It's taking time for him to adjust to this extra strength. Most of his shots are long, he will adjust but it could take some time. But good news is he's a very hard worker and it will work out for us in long run. Hopefully we don't panic and trade him. But we are the Kings so I can see it happening

 

[kb02]

He does struggle against bigger centers sometimes but all of our wins have come against big centers: Nurkic, Ayton, Valanciunas (twice) and Plumlee

And to be clear, I like Holmes. A lot. Just think there needs to be an upgrade there. Move Holmes to,the bench big role. Where he’ll beast.

 

[The_Jamal]

Reality is every single Kings player was drastically worse than the Hornets game with their shooting and they were able to claw back from a big early deficit to bring it to a last shot. It's a loss, but I think there was progress in this game; nothing was falling (I mean that Buddy shot that swirled 4 times and out...cmon..), they got a ton of open looks no one could hit and they relied on tough defense to get back into this game.

 

[Rob-The-Great]

Who's Mr. Sensitive now? You're actually hillarious, can't believe Bagley stans still exist.

Literally no one thinks Harkless is more than a 8-9 man off the bench who should be like a 12-15 MPG defensive guy. The sad reality is he's forced into a big role BECAUSE of how inept Bagley is at playing basketball. That's the problem.

I'm not a Bagley fan, I'm a realist. Bagley is a upgrade over harkless period. On top of that he's still on the team and we are still paying him. And here is the best part, if he plays good we can acually get a player you won't hate on. Right now, playing harkless who has no future over Bagley who we may get something in return makes zero cents for a team like kings who need to squeeze out all the talent we can to compete

 

[SacTownKid]

When Harrison Barnes is the team's leading assist getter for the night, something has obviously gone wrong.

The idea of "team" ball sounds great. Especially for role player coaches. You might even sneak into the playoffs doing it. Then you end up like the Jazz. A team with a real go to, heck even ONE real go to sends you packing with one singular mismatch. This team doesn't have nearly the versatility on the wing, nor the shooting overall to split their offense down the middle. Barnes being a stud has literally been about the only thing keeping their heads above water. Of course, Fox is struggling, but Barnes is largely shining partly because Fox is being used differently. They have run some good pick and pop with Fox/Barnes, they need to build on that going forward. For now, them getting these much better shots should keep things positive though. Then it's up to Monte to start looking deeper in how to make his team more dangerous on the perimeter. The C spot looks good though so that's nice.

 

[The_Jamal]

I'm not a Bagley fan, I'm a realist. Bagley is a upgrade over harkless period. On top of that he's still on the team and we are still paying him. And here is the best part, if he plays good we can acually get a player you won't hate on. Right now, playing harkless who has no future over Bagley who we may get something in return makes zero cents for a team like kings who need to squeeze out all the talent we can to compete

I'd love one piece of statistical evidence that Marvin Bagley contributes to winning basketball. Literally just one.

 

[Capt. Factorial]

Walton keeps saying that the rebounding was an issue, perhaps doesn't realize that he played 134 minutes worth of guards in the game.