Kings to begin contract negotiations with Cousins

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Dreadnought said:
That's good and great news. Throw the max. He's worth it even if he hasn't deserved it. Lets hope that changes though!
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I wonder how those "negotiations" will go:

Fegan: "Sup PDA, where's my max offer?"

PDA: "Here ya go, you know where to sign"

Fegan: "Yup, see ya next week"
 
I added the source article to the OP. I found several parts interesting, primarily because it looks as though for once Jason Jones actually did more than just tweet a couple of things he overheard...

"I think Cousins came in with a very good attitude," Colangelo said. "He worked very hard, his work ethic was great. So he just has to continue to mature and grow as a player, and we'll make those decisions in the near future."
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I think that is a HUGE statement about DMC, and I suspect it will make it much easier for the front office to ink a very nice deal for Cousins.
 
VF21 said:
I added the source article to the OP. I found several parts interesting, primarily because it looks as though for once Jason Jones actually did more than just tweet a couple of things he overheard...



I think that is a HUGE statement about DMC, and I suspect it will make it much easier for the front office to ink a very nice deal for Cousins.
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This is huge for me. Wasn't it Colangelo who ripped DMC to shreds last season?
 
The_Jamal said:
This is huge for me. Wasn't it Colangelo who ripped DMC to shreds last season?
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Yes, although he either was ashamed of it or somebody even higher up the foodchain (no idea who that could be? Stern?) ripped him one over it, because he's been backpedaling and mollifying ever since.
 
The_Jamal said:
This is huge for me. Wasn't it Colangelo who ripped DMC to shreds last season?
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I've read in multiple places (like, everywhere) that Colangelo's statements were "blown out of proportion." So perhaps not that big of a deal. Still nice to hear the new version, though.
 
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I still think he should earn his pay raise, but if this is the kick in the butt he needs to grow up and become a professional i guess you do it.
 
I'm going to go ahead and admit I don't feel good about it. I try to avoid expressing my opinion on the issue as it is the contrarian and minority view. The kid has too many holes in his game (D, running the floor, consistency, lack of refined post game etc. etc.), and I just don't like his mentality/presence on/off the floor yet. I think we are still in a position to let him prove himself under current management with the rights we will have over him in the coming years or if worse came to worse get value for him in trade. As a Kings fan though, if they go through with the max, I will have full trust in PDA/Malone/Vivek and will believe they think they can get value from him at that pay scale
 
Kingsfan23 said:
I'm going to go ahead and admit I don't feel good about it. I try to avoid expressing my opinion on the issue as it is the contrarian and minority view. The kid has too many holes in his game (D, running the floor, consistency, lack of refined post game etc. etc.), and I just don't like his mentality/presence on/off the floor yet. I think we are still in a position to let him prove himself under current management with the rights we will have over him in the coming years or if worse came to worse get value for him in trade. As a Kings fan though, if they go through with the max, I will have full trust in PDA/Malone/Vivek and will believe they think they can get value from him at that pay scale
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Even if he doesn't reach his ceiling in the next couple of years and things absolutely can't work here, he is easy to trade.

Look at Andrew Bynum.
 
John Wall is about to get paid the same contract that DMC is. There was a thorough piece on Grantland about why Washington would lock him in now. There are a ton of similarities between the two, including the fact that they have the same agent(Fegan). The takeaway was that you don't want to pee off Fegan and you don't want to pee of DMC so bad that he only signs the QO next year and then enters UFA a season after that(Worst case). Wall is getting the max, and he still can't shoot and missed nearly half the year last year. DMC is already a top 10 rebounder, has the most varied offensive game of any big man in the league, actively wants to be here, has improved almost across the board every year for the last 3 years, has had no significant injuries, and is just starting what would be his first year out of college. Yes his defensive technique is horrendous, he does not have a filter when he speaks, and he can be a bit immature. However, I think the positives far out way the negatives and in 3 years his contract may be a bargain even as a max player.
 
Arkitect said:
John Wall is about to get paid the same contract that DMC is. There was a thorough piece on Grantland about why Washington would lock him in now. There are a ton of similarities between the two, including the fact that they have the same agent(Fegan). The takeaway was that you don't want to pee off Fegan and you don't want to pee of DMC so bad that he only signs the QO next year and then enters UFA a season after that(Worst case). Wall is getting the max, and he still can't shoot and missed nearly half the year last year. DMC is already a top 10 rebounder, has the most varied offensive game of any big man in the league, actively wants to be here, has improved almost across the board every year for the last 3 years, has had no significant injuries, and is just starting what would be his first year out of college. Yes his defensive technique is horrendous, he does not have a filter when he speaks, and he can be a bit immature. However, I think the positives far out way the negatives and in 3 years his contract may be a bargain even as a max player.
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That's a different situation. While DMC might be much more valuable than John Wall in a basketball perspective, John Wall has a Vince Carter effect where he just brings whatever team he plays for copious amounts of money. He's exciting, endorsed/sponsored, people pay to watch him. He even has his own signature shoes.

My point being, I bet we COULD get DMC at less than max. John Wall is incredibly marketable.
 
If Cuz doesn't work out on/off the floor I doubt he'll be tradable at max salary, that will be albatross around the neck.. Hell, right now he doesn't have significant trade value due to his reputation
 
Wait till the All Star break and reward him accordingly, I'm all for resigning Cousins but imo he has to put together at least 1/2 a consistent season which would must likely mean he makes a All-star team or he gets snubbed when he should have made it due to popularity. If he says he wants to stay and play for the Kings than I'm sure he can wait for the Kings to resign him middle of the year if he's tearing up.
 
andremiller07 said:
Wait till the All Star break and reward him accordingly, I'm all for resigning Cousins but imo he has to put together at least 1/2 a consistent season which would must likely mean he makes a All-star team or he gets snubbed when he should have made it due to popularity. If he says he wants to stay and play for the Kings than I'm sure he can wait for the Kings to resign him middle of the year if he's tearing up.
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You do understand that contract extensions have to be negotiated by Oct. 31, right? Per Larry Coon's CBA FAQ, "Rookie scale contracts ... can be extended from the day following the July moratorium to the October 31 preceding the player's last option season." In DMC's case, that means we have to extend his contact by Oct. 31, 2013. If we do not do that, he will become a restricted free agent for 2014/15 provided we give him a qualifying offer. The beauty of the contract extension is no other team can bid against us. We lock him up as ours and don't have to worry about it again.
 
My issue with the extension isn't the max - it's how is it structured.

We need to make it much more incentive based then normal contracts to help keep DeMarcus in check, and also motivate him to keep striving to get better.

I really hope PDA and co won't give him a bullet proof guaranteed max, but rather a more incentive based one.
 
andremiller07 said:
Wait till the All Star break and reward him accordingly, I'm all for resigning Cousins but imo he has to put together at least 1/2 a consistent season which would must likely mean he makes a All-star team or he gets snubbed when he should have made it due to popularity. If he says he wants to stay and play for the Kings than I'm sure he can wait for the Kings to resign him middle of the year if he's tearing up.
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Of course.

1) Insult him.

2) Then watch him become an All Star and go hang out with a bunch of other All Stars all whispering for him to come join their teams in the summer.

3) THEN say oh ok, we'll pay you.


You don't know this animal at all. One of his quotes at USA Basketball was absolutely spot on of my read on him: he said he felt he had matured by even accepting the invitation for this summer, because formerly he would have said, no, you didn't want me last year, you missed your chance, screw you. That is 100% exactly how my instincts run as well. Cousins is the guy who will punish you for lack of faith. He's the guy who isn't going to jump through hoops. And of the many players we have given up over the years, he's absolutely the one who will relish coming back year after year and rubbing our face in it as he destroys Chuck Hayes and Timofey Mozgov or whatever other trash we try to replace him with.

There is no play here. You're not in control of the situation. The only way you can even attempt to conceal that fact is by feigning enthusiasm to get a deal done yourself.
 
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Boogie-havoc said:
My issue with the extension isn't the max - it's how is it structured.

We need to make it much more incentive based then normal contracts to help keep DeMarcus in check, and also motivate him to keep striving to get better.

I really hope PDA and co won't give him a bullet proof guaranteed max, but rather a more incentive based one.
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Agents almost never accept those anymore. Especially a power agent like Fegan with a blue chipper like Cousins. You might be able to get something like that done with the Oden pursuit because of the extreme injury concerns, but not with a max contract guy.
 
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Boogie-havoc said:
My issue with the extension isn't the max - it's how is it structured.

We need to make it much more incentive based then normal contracts to help keep DeMarcus in check, and also motivate him to keep striving to get better.

I really hope PDA and co won't give him a bullet proof guaranteed max, but rather a more incentive based one.
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And what kinds of incentives are you thinking of?

Also from Coon's FAQ:

Incentives must be structured so that they provide an incentive for positive achievement by the player or team, and are based upon numerical benchmarks (such as points per game or team wins) or generally recognized league honors1. The numerical benchmarks must be specific -- for example, a bonus may be based on the player's free throw percentage exceeding 80%, but may not be based on a relative measure such as the player's free throw percentage improving over his previous season's percentage. Certain kinds of incentives are not allowed, such as those based on the player being on the team's roster on a specific date or for a specific number of games.
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I rather suspect you're thinking more of some kind of probationary situation, which simply is not part of the CBA - nor should it be. (Follow the link to read the part of the FAQ that pertains to what's allowable as an incentive in a contract.) You pay your money and you take your chance.
 
Bricklayer said:
Of course.

1) Insult him.

2) Then watch him become an All Star and go hang out with a bunch of other All Stars all whispering for him to come join their teams in the summer.

3) THEN say oh ok, we'll pay you.


You don't know this animal at all. One of his quotes at USA Basketball was absolutely spot on of my read on him: he said he felt he had matured by even accepting the invitation for this summer, because formerly he would have said, no, you didn't want me last year, you missed your chance, screw you. That is 100% exactly how my instincts run as well. Cousins is the guy who will punish you for lack of faith. He's the guy who isn't going to jump through hoops. And of the many players we have given up over the years, he's absolutely the one who will relish coming back year after year and rubbing our face in it as he destroys Chuck Hayes and Timofey Mozgov or whatever other trash we try to replace him with.

There is no play here. You're not in control of the situation. The only way you can even attempt to conceal that fact is by feigning enthusiasm to get a deal done yourself.
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And, it is my firm belief, will reward us with total dedication and effort if we show that we have faith in him and support him.
 
Kingsfan23 said:
If Cuz doesn't work out on/off the floor I doubt he'll be tradable at max salary, that will be albatross around the neck.. Hell, right now he doesn't have significant trade value due to his reputation
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I have two words for you: Andrew Bynum.
 
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VF21 said:
And what kinds of incentives are you thinking of?

Also from Coon's FAQ:



I rather suspect you're thinking more of some kind of probationary situation, which simply is not part of the CBA - nor should it be. (Follow the link to read the part of the FAQ that pertains to what's allowable as an incentive in a contract.) You pay your money and you take your chance.
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Thanks for the info, did not know that.

Bummer. They really should allow it as an option in some sort of way.

wouldn't mind seeing a FG% incentive there though! :) Or an All-Star incentive.
 
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NewArena said:
Wall is the one that doesn't deserve it
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It is a market issue. Washington had long been the biggest dead end in the league. If they want to keep talent they have to overpay for it even more so than Sac. Wall KNOWS he can leave and get NEAR max money on any number of teams.
 
HndsmCelt said:
I have two words for you: Andrew Bynum.
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Greg Monroe.

http://www.pistonpowered.com/2013/03/dont-expect-an-extension-for-greg-monroe-this-summer/

As for Monroe’s future, contract talks with the Pistons could begin after his third year, which would be this summer, but Falk said the sides will put things off until July 2014, when Monroe will become a restricted free agent.

“Greg isn’t gonna go backwards between his third and fourth year,” Falk said. “I don’t think I’ve ever done an extension after a third year. In the 90′s you maxed out a guy after his second, but the (CBA) rules are different now.”
 
DeMarcus says he's loyal to his city (Sacramento). I believe him. Time for Kings FO to show loyalty to him with max extension. I would like to see it structured with some sort of $$ incentives if possible.
 
The moment that I saw the news of John Wall in talks for a $80 million extension, I knew the FO would have the make a move soon. Couple days later, they are in talks with Fegan for that extension.

I'm sure Cousins would've felt disrespected seeing his BFF get a max deal while he has to wait. Thought they are good friends, Cousins is very competitive with JW as well and would feel he deserves just as much.

Smart move by the FO to put an end to any possibility of Cousins feeling unhappy to start the season. A young, extremely talented center signed to a max deal is a no brainer. There is no risk involved. Even if he clashes with Malone and the FO by any slim chance and has to be traded, there will be PLENTY of takers for him. Of course thats just the worse case scenario as I envision DeMarcus winning championships for us.

Just look at how desperate teams are for a quality big nowadays. Bynum with all his liability still gets a large contract. Oden is getting many looks from various teams. Heck, even Hibbert got close to or a max deal if I remember correctly.
 
Bricklayer said:
Of course.

1) Insult him.

2) Then watch him become an All Star and go hang out with a bunch of other All Stars all whispering for him to come join their teams in the summer.

3) THEN say oh ok, we'll pay you.


You don't know this animal at all. One of his quotes at USA Basketball was absolutely spot on of my read on him: he said he felt he had matured by even accepting the invitation for this summer, because formerly he would have said, no, you didn't want me last year, you missed your chance, screw you. That is 100% exactly how my instincts run as well. Cousins is the guy who will punish you for lack of faith. He's the guy who isn't going to jump through hoops. And of the many players we have given up over the years, he's absolutely the one who will relish coming back year after year and rubbing our face in it as he destroys Chuck Hayes and Timofey Mozgov or whatever other trash we try to replace him with.

There is no play here. You're not in control of the situation. The only way you can even attempt to conceal that fact is by feigning enthusiasm to get a deal done yourself.
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If anyone bothers to pay attention to Cuz when he speaks about the team or sacramento, he uses the word loyalty a lot. If he thinks your loyal to him, he'll be loyal to you. If he believes your treating him one way, and someone else on the team a different way, then he loses trust in you. I've said it a million times, Calapari is about as much of a get in your face coach as you'll find, and Cousins looks at him like a father figure. Why? Because Calapari always told him the truth. No BS! And he treated everyone the same! If Cousins has a game where his defense is terrible, but the whole team also plays bad defense, and then the coach singles him out as the scapegoat, you lose his trust.

I don't think this is a time to play games with him. He's done just about everything he can do but get down on his knee's with a bible and swear his loyalty to the team and the city. Its a gamble we need to take. This is not the time for the bitter pill!
 
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