[Game] Kings @ Suns - 12/17/12

[Bricklayer]

Umm....he scored 10 points in the 4th quarter. With a bs charge call that would have been an and one.

Most of thatwas menaingless points at the end. His second half went liek this: came in, hit a three to help us hold off the inevitbale. then the Suns got wise again -- suppose it is a compliiment that in both halves they reacted to Jimmer. IN the fiurst half they started posting him wiht a bigger player to punish us for using him. In the second half they swarmed hiom. And he reacted stupidly, thinking he was at BYU and had dribble aorund in cricle forever rights. IN any case, that shut off the Jimmer valve, and we even pulled him briefly for defense. We reinserted him aa minute later for offense, and int he final minute or so he got the 6-7 points to put him into his career hihg. But it was garbagetime by the time he did.

Nothing the matter iwht the above sequences, other than hsi confusion there for a few minutes abotu being a star at this level. But as always Jimmer jockers will make everything of it they can. It was a good game for him, but tying to spin it like he carried us down the stretch is silly.

 

[KingMilz]

I've said it before it might be the "best thing for DeMarcus" to go elsewhere, i'm always hopeful he can turn it around but yeah sometimes players need to go elsewhere to reach there potential in different enviroments. Just cause a player might turn into a All-Star elsewhere does not mean they could have done it where they left from.

Its just hard watching him play well every 3rd-4th game thats the difference right now between him and all the top bigs in the NBA. The other massive difference is when he makes moves he just doesn't go hard, Mike Fartello (spelling) mentioned it when we played the Nets he said something like "if he could learn to go hard on every play"

 

[panda]

I missed the 2nd half of the game, internet crashed during halftime. From what i saw in the first half tho, maybe Cousins should play PF instead of center for a few games. Seems he is more of a Pau type, finesse instead of power. Not sure what his style was before or if this is a reaction to his fouls and suspensions.

 

[Bricklayer]

I've said it before it might be the "best thing for DeMarcus" to go elsewhere, i'm always hopeful he can turn it around but yeah sometimes players need to go elsewhere to reach there potential in different enviroments. Just cause a player might turn into a All-Star elsewhere does not mean they could have done it where they left from.

Its just hard watching him play well every 3rd-4th game thats the difference right now between him and all the top bigs in the NBA. The other massive difference is when he makes moves he just doesn't go hard, Mike Fartello (spelling) mentioned it when we played the Nets he said something like "if he could learn to go hard on every play"

Uh, no. If your big only plays well once every 3 or 4 games (which is nowhere near the ratio, but hey, let's use it). And the other bigs "play well every game". And your big's numbers and their bigs' numbers end up looking the same...you take your big every day, twice on Sundays, and three times after that. It means he's has 3x their talent.

Now, for everybody who may have missed it, Demarcus Cousins is 10x the NBAer Patrick Ewing was at the same age. 100x the NBAer Hakeem Olajuwon was the same age. Greater than Kareem. Bill Russel. Wilt. Admiral was a thumb sucking NBA toddler in comparison at the same age. Why? Because DeMarcus Cousins is still in college! Those guys had never scored a bucket, never grabbed a rebound, never tried to stop a full grown man in their entire basketball careers at the same stage DeMarcus is now. Giving up on him because oh, I am in just so so much pain having to be a fan or whatever crap goes on in this fanbase is ridiculous. He's 5 years from his prime. Most of the NBA's historical greats had never won a single NBA game at the same age. So, you wait on it. You suck it up, realize you have a kid not a man, and wait on it. And along the way if you can find your kid some stable help, professional players and coaches to help calm the waters, then there's your task.

 

[mac]

Uh, no. If your big only plays well once every 3 or 4 games (which is nowhere near the ratio, but hey, let's use it). And the other bigs "play well every game". And your big's numbers and their bigs' numbers end up looking the same...you take your big every day, twice on Sundays, and three times after that. It means he's has 3x their talent.

Now, for everybody who may have missed it, Demarcus Cousins is 10x the NBAer Patrick Ewing was at the same age. 100x the NBAer Hakeem Olajuwon was the same age. Greater than Kareem. Bill Russel. Wilt. Admiral was a thumb sucking NBA toddler in comparison at the same age. Why? Because DeMarcus Cousins is still in college! Those guys had never scored a bucket, never grabbed a rebound, never tried to stop a full grown man in their entire basketball careers at the same stage DeMarcus is now. Giving up on him because oh, I am in just so so much pain having to be a fan or whatever crap goes on in this fanbase is ridiculous. He's 5 years from his prime. Most of the NBA's historical greats had never won a single NBA game at the same age. So, you wait on it. You suck it up, realize you have a kid not a man, and wait on it. And along the way if you can find your kid some stable help, professional players and coaches to help calm the waters, then there's your task.

Very true. At the same time, all the best players these days come into the NBA a year after college, so it's not puzzling that expectations are higher nowadays.

 

[LWP777]

Uh, no. If your big only plays well once every 3 or 4 games (which is nowhere near the ratio, but hey, let's use it). And the other bigs "play well every game". And your big's numbers and their bigs' numbers end up looking the same...you take your big every day, twice on Sundays, and three times after that. It means he's has 3x their talent.

Now, for everybody who may have missed it, Demarcus Cousins is 10x the NBAer Patrick Ewing was at the same age. 100x the NBAer Hakeem Olajuwon was the same age. Greater than Kareem. Bill Russel. Wilt. Admiral was a thumb sucking NBA toddler in comparison at the same age. Why? Because DeMarcus Cousins is still in college! Those guys had never scored a bucket, never grabbed a rebound, never tried to stop a full grown man in their entire basketball careers at the same stage DeMarcus is now. Giving up on him because oh, I am in just so so much pain having to be a fan or whatever crap goes on in this fanbase is ridiculous. He's 5 years from his prime. Most of the NBA's historical greats had never won a single NBA game at the same age. So, you wait on it. You suck it up, realize you have a kid not a man, and wait on it. And along the way if you can find your kid some stable help, professional players and coaches to help calm the waters, then there's your task.

I guarantee you if all those names you mentioned had come into the NBA at the same age as DeMarcus they would be "100x" better than DMC is now. Look, I know you are a big supporter of DMC but its getting out of hand. The fact of the matter is that DMC does have 2+ years of NBA experience now. Yes he's young but he's not new to the league anymore and as Mac pointed out its pretty much the norm now to leave college after a year for the top players. There are a lot of players who had limited college experience who are much further along than DMC is right now. That's not necessarily a knock on him. It just means he might not end up the superstar that you think he's destined for.

 

[UK_King]

Has the find every way possible to negate Jimmers production started yet? lol.

That really was snatching defeat from the jaws of victory, the way we toyed with the suns in the second and then came out absolutely flat as a 5p pancake was incredible.

No one has a clue what they're doing on offense it really is a stand around sort of hope something happens, if there's movement it's just everyone running around into each with no idea where they're going, there's just no structure. Sure, when the other teams missing and we can get out and run it looks great but you can't do that all the time.

 

[KingMilz]

Uh, no. If your big only plays well once every 3 or 4 games (which is nowhere near the ratio, but hey, let's use it). And the other bigs "play well every game". And your big's numbers and their bigs' numbers end up looking the same...you take your big every day, twice on Sundays, and three times after that. It means he's has 3x their talent.

Now, for everybody who may have missed it, Demarcus Cousins is 10x the NBAer Patrick Ewing was at the same age. 100x the NBAer Hakeem Olajuwon was the same age. Greater than Kareem. Bill Russel. Wilt. Admiral was a thumb sucking NBA toddler in comparison at the same age. Why? Because DeMarcus Cousins is still in college! Those guys had never scored a bucket, never grabbed a rebound, never tried to stop a full grown man in their entire basketball careers at the same stage DeMarcus is now. Giving up on him because oh, I am in just so so much pain having to be a fan or whatever crap goes on in this fanbase is ridiculous. He's 5 years from his prime. Most of the NBA's historical greats had never won a single NBA game at the same age. So, you wait on it. You suck it up, realize you have a kid not a man, and wait on it. And along the way if you can find your kid some stable help, professional players and coaches to help calm the waters, then there's your task.

I never once said to give up on him I said I would love him to produce well in the Kings but maybe the best thing for him would be a change in enviroment as has been the case for many talented players. Would I trade him god no but I would ask him face to face do you actually want to be here and play hard just about every game. As far as him playing well yeah it is every 2nd-3rd game I exaggerated a bit, when I say play well I mean as in he dominates and impacts the game the way all us Dcuz lovers think he should.

The difference between the other top bigs such as Blake Griffin, Kevin Love and David Lee, Randolph, Duncan and Cousins (other than the fact they all have PG's who set them up for 2-5 easy buckets a game and have players surronding them to actually help) is they bring it and play hard most nights which is the thing that frustrates me about Cousins. At the moment he has not got that mental toughness they do and effort has nothing to do with talent. My point is maybe on a winning team with a different enviroment he might thrive much like ZBo did after he got traded to Memphis and Sheed went he went to the Pistons (granted they were much older when they got traded). Sometimes player need to go else where to reach there full potential (not saying thats the case with Cousins)

I'am by no means bashing Cousins or saying trade him (i'm heard to much of that rubbish on the Napier show), hes the main reason why I got back into watching basketball hardcore after the first time I saw him at UK. All I would like from him is consistant/smart effort regardless if he plays poorly or well and saying for him it could be the best thing to go elsewhere, but am by no means saying trade him because hes simply to talented for the Kings to do so.

 

[Bricklayer]

I guarantee you if all those names you mentioned had come into the NBA at the same age as DeMarcus they would be "100x" better than DMC is now. Look, I know you are a big supporter of DMC but its getting out of hand. The fact of the matter is that DMC does have 2+ years of NBA experience now. Yes he's young but he's not new to the league anymore and as Mac pointed out its pretty much the norm now to leave college after a year for the top players. There are a lot of players who had limited college experience who are much further along than DMC is right now. That's not necessarily a knock on him. It just means he might not end up the superstar that you think he's destined for.

Your problem is that you continue to lack perspective.

Do you know how many of these tons of underclassmen running around acheiving great things before they can drink have ever averaged 18 and 11 in a season by age 21? 5 guys. Guys named Shaquille O'Neal, Tim Duncan, Blake Griffith, Spencer Haywood, and Demarcus Cousins.

 

[Bricklayer]

Has the find every way possible to negate Jimmers production started yet? lol.

That really was snatching defeat from the jaws of victory, the way we toyed with the suns in the second and then came out absolutely flat as a 5p pancake was incredible.

No one has a clue what they're doing on offense it really is a stand around sort of hope something happens, if there's movement it's just everyone running around into each with no idea where they're going, there's just no structure. Sure, when the other teams missing and we can get out and run it looks great but you can't do that all the time.

That actually was predictable though once we quickly lost Boogie again to start the third. At that point with no Reke, no Cousins, no Thornton...its nto surprising nobody has any idea what to do on offense. The coach isn't any good at defining roles anyway, but even if he were, there just were no centerpieces left, and the remaining lineup would be lucky to match Charlotte's 8 win season over the course of a full season. What structure could make sense when John Salmons and Aaron Brooks are now goto guys. Cisco is out there. You can have Jason post Gortat. Or Chuck go 1 on the other team's knees. I mean, it just all falls apart. But that would be true of even good teams at a certain point. Remove Durant, Westbrook adn KMart from OKC and see how the rest of the team looks offensively. Would not be pretty. The difference is they are well coached and disciplined and would try to scrap and claw out a 75-70 sort of defensive win.

 

[UK_King]

I kind of agree but even with our big guns out there we don't run anything, it might look a bit prettier because reke can do his thing or MT can go off but it's not an offense.

I mean look at SA when Pop sat all his stars, they still ran the Heat very close by playing good team ball.

that concept doesn't look like it's going to settle into this teams collective mind any time soon thats for sure.

 

[Npliam]

Most of thatwas menaingless points at the end. His second half went liek this: came in, hit a three to help us hold off the inevitbale. then the Suns got wise again -- suppose it is a compliiment that in both halves they reacted to Jimmer. IN the fiurst half they started posting him wiht a bigger player to punish us for using him. In the second half they swarmed hiom. And he reacted stupidly, thinking he was at BYU and had dribble aorund in cricle forever rights. IN any case, that shut off the Jimmer valve, and we even pulled him briefly for defense. We reinserted him aa minute later for offense, and int he final minute or so he got the 6-7 points to put him into his career hihg. But it was garbagetime by the time he did.

Nothing the matter iwht the above sequences, other than hsi confusion there for a few minutes abotu being a star at this level. But as always Jimmer jockers will make everything of it they can. It was a good game for him, but tying to spin it like he carried us down the stretch is silly.

What a load of crap this post is. When Jimmer came in the Kings were already down 6. When he got subbed out in the 4th the Kings were down 3. When he got back in the game the Kings were down 11. His "dribbling around in circles" was because nobody on the team would move without the ball. At least twice he looked to DMC to run a pick and roll and and Demarcus just stood there. When they did run the pick and roll Demarcus set terrible picks. IT was pretty terrible last night going 3-10 and Jimmer played almost all of his minutes with IT with the exception being the last 3 minutes of the game when Jimmer came in for IT and scored 6 points in the final 3 minutes while have and an and one taken away with a questionable charge being called.

 

[mac]

That actually was predictable though once we quickly lost Boogie again to start the third. At that point with no Reke, no Cousins, no Thornton...its nto surprising nobody has any idea what to do on offense. The coach isn't any good at defining roles anyway, but even if he were, there just were no centerpieces left, and the remaining lineup would be lucky to match Charlotte's 8 win season over the course of a full season. What structure could make sense when John Salmons and Aaron Brooks are now goto guys. Cisco is out there. You can have Jason post Gortat. Or Chuck go 1 on the other team's knees. I mean, it just all falls apart. But that would be true of even good teams at a certain point. Remove Durant, Westbrook adn KMart from OKC and see how the rest of the team looks offensively. Would not be pretty. The difference is they are well coached and disciplined and would try to scrap and claw out a 75-70 sort of defensive win.

Spurs minus Parker Ginobili and Duncan still looked pretty darn good offensively. Not take over a game good that you'd have with an offensive focal point, but still executing plays and getting good shotsfar better than we've ever seen on our team in the last 4 years.

 

[Hadlowe]

Spurs minus Parker Ginobili and Duncan still looked pretty darn good offensively. Not take over a game good that you'd have with an offensive focal point, but still executing plays and getting good shotsfar better than we've ever seen on our team in the last 4 years.

I assume you mean that game against the Heat. The Spurs and the Knicks have two things going for them. They have 2-4 excellent (40% plus) perimeter shooters on the floor at any time, and all of those shooters are willing and ready passers. When Felton penetrates off a pick and roll for the Knicks, he can kick out to Melo, Kidd, Novak, J.R. Smith, or he can dump the ball down low to a diving Chandler. Likewise in San Antonio where everyone on the team except Duncan, Splitter, and Blair have three point range.

Realistically, we don't have the personnel to run a spaced perimeter offense like the Spurs or Knicks as our only three point threats are guards and our forwards are incapable of creating shots for those guards.