Kings Summer League Roster/UFA Signing Thread

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kingsfan101

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SacTownKid said:
Wait a minute, he was talking about DDV right? DDV would be behind, Fox, Monk, Davion, and Huerter at this point. If TD didn't play last year, DDV isn't unless someone on that list is hurt or playing so bad they get kicked from the rotation. It's better to have Jones as that 5th guy. He's not real young, he can play now, and do some of the same basic things. 5th G is just depth in the end.
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You're right. My bad.

Not sure why I was thinking of him more as a 3. He's more of a 2, I guess.
 
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Caccia

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I thought this line from The Athletic was interesting, in reference to the Collective Bargaining Agreement signed in April:

"Actually, there is no document just yet — the league is still working off a term sheet, a copy of which was obtained by The Athletic, though the actual CBA is in the process of being written."
 
funkykingston

funkykingston

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Tetsujin said:
https://twitter.com/statuses/1673488128538189825
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I was thinking, "I wonder if his dad is the Cedric Henderson that played for the Cavs way back when?"

Yep, same Cedric Henderson. He was part of that 1997 Cavs team with 3 other rookies (Brevin Knight, Derek Anderson, Zydrunas Ilgauskas).

Nice to be right, but damn it makes me feel old that he now has a 23 year old son trying to make the NBA.
 
Ozymandias

Ozymandias

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More so than winning SL this is all a big showcase for Colby Jones to prime him as a rotation on the big squad from day 1 type of rookie.

Might be stating the obvious but I just wanted to throw that out there.

Its not unrealistic to expect that from him at SL right away, he's gonna be in a position to stuff the stat sheet.
 
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NiNetNiNe

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SacTownKid said:
Yeah he's very interesting. Slow as all heck but size and skill are so valuable when combined these days.
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not saying he is like Jokic, but there is space for highly skilled big guys that can do everything on offense, but may not be defensive powerhouses. As long as they can hold their man and put an arm up there is hope.
 
Tetsujin

Tetsujin

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NiNetNiNe said:
not saying he is like Jokic, but there is space for highly skilled big guys that can do everything on offense, but may not be defensive powerhouses. As long as they can hold their man and put an arm up there is hope.
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https://twitter.com/statuses/1674474834879733761
this sort of awkward pull-up three that nearly results him him taking the head off of an unsuspecting defender is certainly Jokic-adjacent
 
KingsFanSince85

KingsFanSince85

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miltonap said:
I'd love DDV.

I'd prob take him over Huerter
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midtowner said:
DDV would be a good get if the Kings traded either Davion or Huerter as part of a deal to get OG.
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While I thought Huerter was a disappointment during the 2nd half of the season and postseason, I don't get the love for DDV over him -- or at all.

Help me to understand it.

DDV did have a very good shooting season last season, his best 3pt performance ever, but the season before that, he was abysmal. His time in SAC was MEH.

The only positive I can see over Huerter is defensively.

Huerter's offensive production for SAC last season destroys anything DDV has ever done over his 5 NBA seasons.
 
miltonap

miltonap

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KingsFanSince85 said:
While I thought Huerter was a disappointment during the 2nd half of the season and postseason, I don't get the love for DDV over him -- or at all.

Help me to understand it.

DDV did have a very good shooting season last season, his best 3pt performance ever, but the season before that, he was abysmal. His time in SAC was MEH.

The only positive I can see over Huerter is defensively.

Huerter's offensive production for SAC last season destroys anything DDV has ever done over his 5 NBA seasons.
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Huerter was horribly inconsistent I think it's kind of useless to be an elite shooter if you really never know what you're going to get with that player.

Because of course team philosophy is built on what players are going to provide so I think it just makes it hard on the team to not know what you are going to get on offense from him.

I also think his defense is abysmal so it's not just like a positive there it's really really bad so I think there's a lot of weight there.

Playmaking is probably a wash maybe slight edge to Huerter but also toughness/rebounding ability big edge/edge to DDV.

And DDV 3 pt has improved from what I understand so that makes the elite shooting aspect not hurt as much.

Also Huerter didn't show up at all in the playoffs and that matters a lot.

All this being said I'm willing to give Huerter another year to see how he does.

I think that's fair
 
KingsFanSince85

KingsFanSince85

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miltonap said:
Huerter was horribly inconsistent I think it's kind of useless to be an elite shooter if you really never know what you're going to get with that player.
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Whatever inconsistency Huerter seemingly had, he managed to average 15.2 ppg on 48.5% shooting, including 40.2% from three (which represented more than half his shot volume).

That level of production is very good.

Again, DDV has never come close to the overall shooting number and has never matched the 3 point shooting, though he came close last season.

DDV overall percentage was in the mid-to-low 30's in 21/22, which is downright AWFUL.

miltonap said:
I also think his defense is abysmal so it's not just like a positive there it's really really bad so I think there's a lot of weight there.

Also Huerter didn't show up at all in the playoffs and that matters a lot.
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I acknowledged the defensive differences. So I clearly agree with you here.

I also agree WRT to postseason performance. I was highly disappointed in Huerter in that regard. If the guy that showed up in October-Nov-Dec showed up in April-May, the KINGS win that series.

That said, Huerter was a rockstar for ATL a few years back so perhaps there's some hope? I mean, he's proved he can perform under the bright lights, as he did so before. And not just for one or two games. Dude was hitting big shots and making big plays for them over multiple series.

For that reason, like you, I'm willing to remain patient a little while longer. But the defensive issues make that harder.

Still, I don't see any justification to prefer DDV over Huerter, unless you are solely considering defense and perhaps a little playmaking when Swipa is off the floor.
 
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miltonap

miltonap

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KingsFanSince85 said:
Whatever inconsistency Huerter seemingly had, he managed to average 15.2 ppg on 48.5% shooting, including 40.2% from three (which represented more than half his shot volume).

That level of production is very good.

Again, DDV has never come close to the overall shooting number and has never matched the 3 point shooting, though he came close last season.

DDV overall percentage was in the mid-to-low 30's in 21/22, which is downright AWFUL.



I acknowledged the defensive differences. So I clearly agree with you here.

I also agree WRT to postseason performance. I was highly disappointed in Huerter in that regard. If the guy that showed up in October-Nov-Dec showed up in April-May, the KINGS win that series.

That said, Huerter was a rockstar for ATL a few years back so perhaps there's some hope? I mean, he's proved he can perform under the bright lights, as he did so before. And not just for one or two games. Dude was hitting big shots and making big plays for them over multiple series.

For that reason, like you, I'm willing to remain patient a little while longer. But the defensive issues make that harder.

Still, I don't see any justification to prefer DDV over Huerter, unless you are solely considering defense and perhaps a little playmaking when Swipa is off the floor.
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Yea I wouldn't make such a move now.

I think it's right to give Huerter another year just out of fairness.

In regards to his big playoff performances, I understand that he has actually consistently underperformed apart from that Game 7 vs. Philly?

I think I remember someone posting his percentages in at least one of the playoffs and they weren't very good.

I'm not 100% sure on this but I remember reading this and people saying that's what he's shown throughout his career, underperforming in the playoffs.

I also get the feeling there's something mental with him, I can't forget him completely airballing a corner 3 in game 1 against GS.

If there's something there, man, I'd love for him to get that resolved I think he could be a Rockstar if so.

But idk, I guess we'll see
 
KainLear

KainLear

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miltonap said:
I'm not 100% sure on this but I remember reading this and people saying that's what he's shown throughout his career, underperforming in the playoffs.

I also get the feeling there's something mental with him, I can't forget him completely airballing a corner 3 in game 1 against GS.

If there's something there, man, I'd love for him to get that resolved I think he could be a Rockstar if so.

But idk, I guess we'll see
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One can make a case about the dropping of his production in his previous Playoffs attempts with the Hawks, but that doesn't really go very far. Different crew, different style, different expectations.

But one certainly would try to make that case, especially on this board with some of us here being so stingy.

Although it would speak on how this board feels about our defense woe. So much so that, we'd consider trading the guy who averages 15.2 ppg on 48.5% shooting, including 40.2% from three for a little more defense.
 
miltonap

miltonap

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KainLear said:
One can make a case about the dropping of his production in his previous Playoffs attempts with the Hawks, but that doesn't really go very far. Different crew, different style, different expectations.

But one certainly would try to make that case, especially on this board with some of us here being so stingy.

Although it would speak on how this board feels about our defense woe. So much so that, we'd consider trading the guy who averages 15.2 ppg on 48.5% shooting, including 40.2% from three for a little more defense.
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Never said a little more defense.

It was specifically about DDV vs. Huerter
 
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Caccia

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Yutu Watanabe goes to the Suns. Coach Frank Vogel will have a loaded team next year, with Watanabe, Metu, Damion Lee, and others signing on the dotted line to play with Booker, Durant, and Bradley Beal.
 
Ozymandias

Ozymandias

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Caccia said:
Yutu Watanabe goes to the Suns. Coach Frank Vogel will have a loaded team next year, with Watanabe, Metu, Damion Lee, and others signing on the dotted line to play with Booker, Durant, and Bradley Beal.
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Gotta wonder if KD vouched for Yuta from his time in Brooklyn, seems likely.
 
Kingz19

Kingz19

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KingsFanSince85 said:
Whatever inconsistency Huerter seemingly had, he managed to average 15.2 ppg on 48.5% shooting, including 40.2% from three (which represented more than half his shot volume).

That level of production is very good.

Again, DDV has never come close to the overall shooting number and has never matched the 3 point shooting, though he came close last season.

DDV overall percentage was in the mid-to-low 30's in 21/22, which is downright AWFUL.



I acknowledged the defensive differences. So I clearly agree with you here.

I also agree WRT to postseason performance. I was highly disappointed in Huerter in that regard. If the guy that showed up in October-Nov-Dec showed up in April-May, the KINGS win that series.

That said, Huerter was a rockstar for ATL a few years back so perhaps there's some hope? I mean, he's proved he can perform under the bright lights, as he did so before. And not just for one or two games. Dude was hitting big shots and making big plays for them over multiple series.

For that reason, like you, I'm willing to remain patient a little while longer. But the defensive issues make that harder.

Still, I don't see any justification to prefer DDV over Huerter, unless you are solely considering defense and perhaps a little playmaking when Swipa is off the floor.
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Yes, Huerter definitely spoiled fans so much in October and November with ridiculously unsustainable(for anybody) percentages..,it clouded the perception of the season he had overall.

Huerter was extremely consistent last season. Just 40 percent from three is a noticeable drop off from 55 percent from three. People didn’t handle that drop with the understanding that “of course it dropped”…

but it’s hard not to notice a 15-20 percent decrease as a absolute negative since his run at over 50 percent extended longer than most hot streaks do. It seemed every night after November people were concerned about Huerter after a 3-8 night from three. Also, even nights Huerter was completely cold from three, he still frequently managed to efficiently reach his average or even 20+ point games. At first, everybody liked him and then he was held to a different standard.

Huerter is a starting SG. DDV Is not a starter. They aren’t the same “tier”. DDV did some thing i liked in his Kings stint(rebound) but he didnt really impress despite having basically career high minutes and usage. I basically saw a scrappy player but not a talent like a Huerter.

That is why Monte, despite long coveting DDV(Bogdan trade) ultimately chose Huerter over him and didn’t even extend the QO

Huerter had a cold playoff series from three, As did the Kings. I don’t think it had anything to with the moment though. After all, it was Huerter who put game 6 on ice with a few fourth quarter threes. He’s a talented young player who is trending upwards.

Im happy that the Kings seem to value him a lot more than many fans do lol
 
Ozymandias

Ozymandias

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Kingz19 said:
Yes, Huerter definitely spoiled fans so much in October and November with ridiculously unsustainable(for anybody) percentages..,it clouded the perception of the season he had overall.

Huerter was extremely consistent last season. Just 40 percent from three is a noticeable drop off from 55 percent from three. People didn’t handle that drop with the understanding that “of course it dropped”…

but it’s hard not to notice a 15-20 percent decrease as a absolute negative since his run at over 50 percent extended longer than most hot streaks do. It seemed every night after November people were concerned about Huerter after a 3-8 night from three. Also, even nights Huerter was completely cold from three, he still frequently managed to efficiently reach his average or even 20+ point games. At first, everybody liked him and then he was held to a different standard.

Huerter is a starting SG. DDV Is not a starter. They aren’t the same “tier”. DDV did some thing i liked in his Kings stint(rebound) but he didnt really impress despite having basically career high minutes and usage. I basically saw a scrappy player but not a talent like a Huerter.

That is why Monte, despite long coveting DDV(Bogdan trade) ultimately chose Huerter over him and didn’t even extend the QO

Huerter had a cold playoff series from three, As did the Kings. I don’t think it had anything to with the moment though. After all, it was Huerter who put game 6 on ice with a few fourth quarter threes. He’s a talented young player who is trending upwards.

Im happy that the Kings seem to value him a lot more than many fans do lol
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This is a most excellent post. Spot on in many ways, and I agree, his deal is quite reasonable given his production, look around this summer..

All I'm gonna add is this, If I was one of these pitchfork holding "run Huerter out of town" type of guys (decidedly not btw).. I'd be going NUTS right about now hoping the Kings are the 3rd team in this possible Lillard to Miami deal, where Huerter gets rerouted to Portland and we get the more expensive Herro... But I'm not one of those guys and that seems like paying a lot more for not much more. It'd be like paying Herro + Monk 50 mil after next summer instead of Monk and Huerter like 35.. Thats quite a bit of savings

The idea that Huerter didnt at least earn the benefit of the doubt thru next season is rediculous as well. For a guy in his first year on the team he came in and did his job well, and on those nights he's not shooting it great you can see him really trying hard to help elsewhere.
 
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