nebs said:I'm not up to date with the Sonics. Who did they add? They lost their coach, McMillan, James and Daniels?
Ray Allen34 said:we lost AD, James and Nate
but we gained a very good promising talent in Petro who has been very impressive, added mikki moore and brought back everyone else
kings gained a few nice talented guys but also lost a few..mobley and evans.
the kings starting 5 looks purely offense...only guy who can even play anything close to defense is bonzi wells. we weren't prefect defensively last year but we were ok. defense is going to be the kings main problem. bonzi wells could go either way, he has alot to prove this year as does SAR who has not proved he can do anything but send teams to the lottery
Yoda said:The loss of AD and Nate should be enough to send the Sonics to the lottery.
Hey now...watch it...Ray Allen34 said:pure garbage
no team with two all-stars, a good young PG and great depth will be in the lottery.
Oh yeah, and you just describe Minny last year.Ray Allen34 said:pure garbage
no team with two all-stars, a good young PG and great depth will be in the lottery.
Yoda said:Hey now...watch it...
1 boarderline allstar (who shouldnt have been)- very inconsistent. Lets see what Ray Allen does now that it is not a contract year.
Luke is a below average NBA point guard
That depth you are talking about is a pipe dream.
McMillan meant more to this team then you I think you realize. He made something out of nothing last year.
This is one of the deepest benches in the NBARay Allen34/ said:the depth we have is one of the best in the NBA...pipe dream? please..it's clear you are a hater
Yoda said:This is one of the deepest benches in the NBA
Rick Brunson
Flip Murray
Damien Wilkins
Vlad Radmanovic
Danny Fortson
Petro/Moore
Robert Swift
Vitaly Potapenk
HA! Please, I am no hater (other then Fortson). That bench plain sucks!
4 guys...okRay Allen34 said:that bench has at least 4 guys who can come in and give you anywhere from 10-20 points on any given night
yet it sucks? riight
are you new to the NBA?
Ray Allen34 said:that bench has at least 4 guys who can come in and give you anywhere from 10-20 points on any given night
Yoda said:This is one of the deepest benches in the NBA
Rick Brunson
Flip Murray
Damien Wilkins
Vlad Radmanovic
Danny Fortson
Petro/Moore
Robert Swift
Vitaly Potapenk
HA! Please, I am no hater (other then Fortson). That bench plain sucks!
Mr. S£im Citrus said:I'm not at all convinced that Sacramento is "clearly better" than Seattle. They have a superstar player in Ray Allen, whom I'd rather have than any player currently on the Kings roster, and a team that well constructed to compliment him. They play better defense, and have players who aren't afraid of contact. Their bench may be suspect, but it's hardly worthless. Barring an unprecedented meltdown, or inept coaching of epic proportions, I don't see any way that Seattle doesn't make the playoffs.
And neither do I see any indication that the Kings are "clearly" better. We may, in fact, be better, but it's not like there's the kind of separation between us and them that there is between San Antonio and us...
Rain man said:I think the debate here really illustrates how fans tend to overrate their own role players. I think RayAllen has overrated a lot of his bench players by saying that the Sonics have one of the deepest benches in the league. But, this is the same thing that Kings fans tend to do all the time. If you read some of the comments on the board this past summer you would develop these beliefs about some of our role players...
Daruis Songalia is one of the best bench big men in the league- will easily average 10 and 6 off the bench over the course of a seasron, and could start for 12-15 teams- REALITY: Darius is a very nice player, but probably no better than a 4th big man on any serious team. Nice jumper, tough player...
Mo Evans is capable of starting for a team serious about contending- after seeing Mo play off the bench last year and play one half against Allen in Game 5, many were ready to label him our starter at OG. REALITY- Evans is a great athlete and solid NBA bencher, but no playoff team would start him.
Jason Hart- "should the Kings start him and trade Bibby?" Even that comment aside, people seem to think he is going to single handedly bring defensive presence and run the offense flawlessly- REALITY- the BOBCATS let him go for nothing. Granted that is probably a mistake, but hart is going to have plenty of games where he does next to nothing. I think he will fit well, but I am not as optimistic as some people who think he is the second coming of BJax.
And the examples can go on and on. I love Kevin and Cisco, but it seems like people tend to look at them through blinders as well- these are very young players who will struggle at times and make bone-headed plays. There will be games where neither one of these guys should be in, and they won't play, and people will holler for Adelman's head for sitting the young guys.
The point of all of this is that fans often get enamored with their bench and role players and love them in a way that only a mother can love an ugly child. So asking Kings fans and Sonic fans to debate who has the better bench is going to result in people basically saying things like "damien Wilkins could average 20 points a game in this league if we let him start," and boy- "I could see Jason Hart as our starter..."