CaminoChaos
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Did you know that if Mobely, O-Tag, Songaila opt out this year and we don't pick up B-Jax option we would be under the Cap. I believe the cap is a little over $43 million and that would put us at $42 million +/-.
Kings Salary Cap Situation!
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Bricklayer
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CaminoChaos said:
Yeah, Tag isn't going to cooperate there, and they just picked up Bobby's option I think. But even if we were able to do that it would be nice for the Maloofs -- get to avoid the luxury tax -- but not so nice for the team. There is no practical advantage to being $1 mil under the cap.
But hey, let's look at the bright side -- if we don't resign or replace any of those guys after next season, AND we let Peja just walk, we'll only have to wait one more year after that to let Corliss walk and not pick up Martin's 4th year and we'll have room to make a run at a major free agent. Of course we'll also be back in the lottery, but you can't have everything.
That appears to be true and is interesting.
However, being right at the cap or just below it gives Petrie no more flexibility than he has if all those players are re-upped, in fact he would have even less. You have to be many millions below the cap to get any advantage so that you have those millions to use as you see fit to sign FAs.
We are better off to mix and move pieces by being way over the cap. The only way to get way under the cap (and do what San Antonio has done) is to retain large expiring contracts to their end. We just traded our biggest expiring contract that would have given the Kings incredible flexibility...only thing is that we would have had to wait a couple more years to get it.
Even if the Kings wanted to do a big-time salary reduction longer term and let those players you named go this off-season, for the 06-07 season, the only reduction we could have is Peja opting out of his $8.2 mil. And if that happened too, guess what? The Kings' team salary would only be just under $42 mil. You can thank Bibby's and Brad's big escalating contracts and the trio of Philly guys' $5 to $6 mil salaries for that one.
So unless Petrie trades long-term contracted players for those with contracts expiring within a year this summer, the likelihood of the Kings enjoying being under the cap any time soon is virtually nil.
However, being right at the cap or just below it gives Petrie no more flexibility than he has if all those players are re-upped, in fact he would have even less. You have to be many millions below the cap to get any advantage so that you have those millions to use as you see fit to sign FAs.
We are better off to mix and move pieces by being way over the cap. The only way to get way under the cap (and do what San Antonio has done) is to retain large expiring contracts to their end. We just traded our biggest expiring contract that would have given the Kings incredible flexibility...only thing is that we would have had to wait a couple more years to get it.
Even if the Kings wanted to do a big-time salary reduction longer term and let those players you named go this off-season, for the 06-07 season, the only reduction we could have is Peja opting out of his $8.2 mil. And if that happened too, guess what? The Kings' team salary would only be just under $42 mil. You can thank Bibby's and Brad's big escalating contracts and the trio of Philly guys' $5 to $6 mil salaries for that one.
So unless Petrie trades long-term contracted players for those with contracts expiring within a year this summer, the likelihood of the Kings enjoying being under the cap any time soon is virtually nil.
Bricklayer said:
No doubt about Tag. He will not get better coin from another team.
Picking up Bobby's option makes total sense, too, since his price tag is still a bargain, even if he does not regain past 6MOY form.
I would not also be surprised if Mobley re-upped his final option year. Not sure if another team wants to spend $7 mil or more for his services, given the year that he just had.
Darius could likely get more money somewhere else than his $1.8 mil inked in his contract for next season, so I expect him to opt out and probably be gone. I'm sure that he can get something in the $3 mil range from another team. I would hope that Geoff would still pursue him at that pricetag, since he has many of the attributes that we are screaming for in new players on our team. Plus that Darius mid-range shot was sweet this past season.
Bricklayer
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Folsom Al said:
We'll just have to work through trades -- that's really where Geoff's genius rep was earned anyway. Free agents have always been a mixed bag for us, and Vlade is the only major one who's ever wanted to come to Sacto. And the draft picks have been ok, but nothing really spectacular. So maybe its for the best that trading is our route back to the top. Let Geoff do the thing he does best.
As an aside, while the Maloofs might well disagree, I don't want ANY of those guys to opt out. Since its not my money being spent, I want all of those guys to reup so that we can trade them and INTENTIONALLY maintain a higher payroll. Makes trading for bigger/better players much easier.
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Folsom Al said:
I don't think that this cap discussion truly relates to whether or not we'll be a contender in the near term.
What the Spurs accomplished a couple years ago will not happen very often, if at all, down the road (ie, getting way under the cap with a championship contender was a rare combination of GM skill, drafting the right guys that stuck, and good luck).
Petrie now has the flexibility he (or the Maloofs) wanted with dishing off Webber for smaller, more movable pieces and parts. Let's just see if Geoff can work his magic over the next few months in what will be his most challenging off-season IMHO to get the Kings right back into the "elite mix". Very difficult, and very unlikely that it can happen in just one TDOS.
Folsom Al
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Bricklayer said:But hey, let's look at the bright side -- if we don't resign or replace any of those guys after next season, AND we let Peja just walk, we'll only have to wait one more year after that to let Corliss walk and not pick up Martin's 4th year and we'll have room to make a run at a major free agent. Of course we'll also be back in the lottery, but you can't have everything.
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It's a tough "pill to swallow" .... accepting the reality that we could be 2-3 seasons away from being a LEGITIMATE CONTENDING ORGANIZATION.
My bad ..... should've better explained my post
Salary "cap" is a misnomer. It's only real impact is a chilling effect on the owner's proclivity for excess. What it really is is the point at which owners have agreed to make it more expensive to compete for players. It certainly doesn't stop them if they are willing to take the financial hit. So for the cap to be such an issue for fans to "worry" about really means the fans should worry wheather or not "their" owners are willing to pay for a potentially higher finish by willing to exceed the cap to get better talent. Obviously, this is not traditionally good business practice but then, contrary to the saying that "the NBA is a business" is really isn't. It is sport...where rich men use money to compete among themselves. And if they are in it for profit or even break even then they are in the "wrong business...SPORT".
Packt
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Rowdyone said:
If you're over the cap, you can't sign free agents for anything more than the Mid-Level Exception; around 5 million. That takes you out of the running for most if not all of the top FA's on the market. That’s why you see teams dumping contracts when top players come into the market. The only way around it is to do a sign-and-trade; which is how we got Brad.
The salary cap is something fans should be concerned about since it limits what you can do.
Bricklayer
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Packt said:
Yeah, but realistically the only way to ever get far enough under it to really make a significant play for a player, is to stripmine the team and go back to the lottery. Its just not realistic for an established top team to have significant salary cap room. Its absolutely a concern if you're a bad team in need of rebuilding -- in that case salary cap room is worth its weight in gold and you don;t have anything or anyone on your roster you value mroe than the cap room anyway. But there's just virtually no way to get down to a cap number allowing for you to make a big move without tearing downa good team and starting over.
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thesanityannex
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petrie will rid the kings of the pawns he picked up this season.
Circa_1985_Fan
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Damn bright side...GRRRR!!!Bricklayer said:Yeah, Tag isn't going to cooperate there, and they just picked up Bobby's option I think. But even if we were able to do that it would be nice for the Maloofs -- get to avoid the luxury tax -- but not so nice for the team. There is no practical advantage to being $1 mil under the cap.
But hey, let's look at the bright side -- if we don't resign or replace any of those guys after next season, AND we let Peja just walk, we'll only have to wait one more year after that to let Corliss walk and not pick up Martin's 4th year and we'll have room to make a run at a major free agent. Of course we'll also be back in the lottery, but you can't have everything.
Kajun
G-League
Bricklayer said:
It does make it easier salary wise, but I'm not sure a bunch of mediocre role players with slightly above average role player contracts would make for an attractive package. Unless we're talking about the Knicks of course, their payroll seems to be growing and growing.
Of course, packaging with Peja might make it much more attractive. As a GM though, I would probably be wary of picking up a player who isn't quite a superstar, yet will demand a max contract.
One thing I never understood is how disproportionate the salaries are for each player. Even the most mediocre players will have huge contracts. It's a simple market and demand thing -- but amazing to see how a player like Allan Houston could ever get max contract. In European top soccer, contracts are huge, but usually only for the superstar players. Players get more paid accordingly. I'm not really sure if that's a product of the system (salary cap / trade vs mere buying system).
Kajun said:
Hmmmmm. I think we've been there before, only it was the whole team that was mediocre, not just the "role players." Well, wait. They were ALL role players, just some of them had to step onto the stage as starters because... well ... someone had to do it.
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