Kings roster for Training Camp

CruzDude

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The apparent training camp roster for the Kings this year shown in the bottom of the Bee Article with my updates. Two 7 footers and 6-11 Dan Langhi are there. Interesting

Training Camp Roster Sept 24, 2005
33 Sharif Abdur-Rahim PF 6-9, 245 Cal '90 9
10 Mike Bibby PG 6-1, 190 Arizona '00
15 Eric Daniels F 6-8, 214 Kentucky 04
33 Anwar Ferguson C 7-0, 205 Arkansas '05
8 Luis Flores PG 6-2, 200 Mahattan
32 Francisco Garcia SG 6-7, 195 Lousiville 06
3 Jason Hart PG 6-3, 185 Syracuse '00
45 Lonnie Jones C 7-0, 228 Ball State '02
22 Dan Langhi F 6-11, 220 Vanderbilt, '00
23 Kevin Martin SG 6-7, 185 West.Carolina 05
52 Brad Miller C 7-0, 261 Purdue '98
20 Rickey Paulding SG 6-4, 210 Missoouri '04
7 Ronnie Price PG 6-2, 190 Utah Val St 05
31 Jamal Sampson PF 6-11, 235 California '02
40 Eric Sandrin F 6-8, 225 Seattle Pacific
54 Brian Skinner C 6-9, 265 Baylor '98
16 Peja Stojakovic SF 6-10, 229 Serbia
9 Kenny Thomas PF 6-7, 245 New Mexico '99
42 Bonzi Wells SG 6-5, 210 Ball State '98
34 Corliss Williamson SF 6-7, 245 Arkansas '96
 
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I hope the big guys are good. We don't need them to score just for defensive purposes.How come Matt Barnes is not included? I hope he can still join TC as a non invitee.
 

HndsmCelt

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Kingsgurl said:
Interesting, Anwar Ferguson makes a second appearance in training camp.
Well he was very very rough last year BUT he did play with heart... probably not ever going to be starting material but with wok on his post and passing game could be the kind of limited roll palyer the team needs... but I will not hold my breath on this one.
 
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AriesMar27

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anwar.... he is ugly as sin, but im still glad to see his name....

now we just need matt barnes....
 
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That's why I found it interesting. I wonder if he has worked on his post moves? He was exceptionally raw, but you know what they say, you can't teach size:D
 

Bricklayer

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Yeah, interesting that Anwar and Daniels are back. And Langhi is this year's semi-established NBA journeyman. Given that we've alreaqdy discussed all the guards, that really leaves only one guy on the whole training camp roster (Jones) as an unknown.
 

piksi

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#8
So everything is set except a towel boy, bench warmer and "happy face"

will be interesting but irrelevant to see who gets those 3 spots
 

Bricklayer

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#9
Okay, so just using a combination of personal knowledge, scattered scouting reports etc., + any stats I could dig up, training camp breakdown (if anybody has anything to add or firsthand knowledge, please do):

Dan Langhi 6'10"
NBA journeyman...4 years in the NBA as 12th man/IR type, last year in Europe...6'10" SF...suposedly good outside shooter, never shown much of it in the NBA...also rumored to be good passer, but again, negiligible results in the NBA...played in motion offense in college, may be good Kings-type fit, but where is the spot on the roster for him? Barely seen him play, but assuming there are defensive problems + defensive stats are non-existent.
NBA stats
00-01 HOU 33gms 7.3min 2.7pts (.374 FG% .000 3pt% .552 FT%) 1.2rebs 0.1ast 0.2stl 0.1blk 0.2TO
00-02 HOU 34gms 12.8min 3.1pts (.392 FG% .250 3pt% .727 FT%) 2.0rebs 0.4ast 0.2stl 0.1blk 0.2TO
02-03 PHO 60gms 9.0min 3.1pts (.401 FG% .290 3pt% .600 FT%) 1.5rebs 0.4ast 0.3stl 0.1blk 0.3TO
03-04 GSW/MIL 6gms 6.2min 2.2pts (.357 FG% .500 3pt% 1.000 FT%) 0.7rebs 0.0ast 0.0stl 0.0blk 0.3TO


Lonnie Jones 7'0"
long, athletic and ripped, great shotblocker, primitive offensively. Been hovering arund NBA since coming out of college. Interesting prospect given our weakness up front.
2004 (USBL) -- 9.9pts 9.2rebs 3.4blks
2005 (CBA) -- 27.5min 12.2pts (57.9%FG) 8.7rebs 0.5ast 0.2stl 3.2blks 2.0TO

Ricky Paulding 6'4"
Undersized OG, super-freak athlete compared to smaller Gerald Wallace...takes it to the rack hard...good rebounder...struggles shooting -- athlete/dunker without rounded game...inconsistent...defensively lax?

Ronnie Price 6'2"
Big small school scorer...good athlete + plays defense...6'2" scoring guard will have to transition to true PG in pros. Game may be Eddie Houselike more than A.I.-like -- quick, but lots of outisde shots rather than drives. Tied for second-highest vertical leap at draft combine wiht 39" vert, tied with Gerald Green and an inch better than Hakim Warrick.

Luis Flores 6'2"
Another big small school scorer, undersized OG/tweener
NBA stats
04-05 GSW/DEN 16gms 4.8min 2.2pts (.483 FG% .500 3pt% 1.000 FT%) 0.2rebs 0.7ast 0.1stl 0.0blk 0.7TO

Two pro scouting reports:
ESPN: A scorer in the most pure sense of the word ... Doesn't have incredible physical skills, but has an assertive mentality and great touch ... Gets a number of shots from the free throw line and down, where he does a ton of scoring despite standing 6-2 ... Can score over the top of traffic with his tremendous ability to adjust and measure shots off balance ... Uses the glass frequently, which helps his cause significantly ... A fine ball-handler who can protect the ball in traffic ... Follows his own shots around the bucket and comes up with a far higher number of rebounds then most 6-2 guards could ... Has a strong body made for absorbing contact ... Draws a lot of fouls ... One of the nation's best from the charity stripe ... A fine long distance shooter, either off the dribble or in standstill situations ... Finds teammates as a distributor, but does not have point guard instincts ...

Draft City: Explosive scorer. Nothing more to say but I will expand a bit. Flores has a proficient and protected handle which allows him to penetrate with relative ease and he has a great hangtime allowing him to alter his shot in midair to foil defenses. He also shows significant skill in using the glass. However, Flores's greatest offensive skill is his tenacity at getting to the freethrow line; where he can knock it down at a cool 90%. He cannot play the point. He has neither the temperament nor the passing skills to do so. This is not a situation similar to someone such as Allen Iverson where a player is more effective at the shooting guard instead of the point- Flores simply cannot be an NBA PG unless his game gets a complete overhaul. At the SG his size prohibits any legitimate defense. The only logical position would be next to a tall point guard who could guard opposing SGs.

Eric Sangrin 6'8"
Sounds like the longest of long shots...variously described as a "minor league talent", great warm up dunker, "garbage time scorer", "king of the open shot" and mentioned several times for having been posterized by various people. Came out of small school in '02. Been in several summer leagues. Not clear where he's been playing as a pro.
 
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Huh, I was just asking about Anwar the other day. If you remember he was quite the shot blocking beast. Unfortunately he wasn't much else but a good shot blocker he was. If you remember last year he came into camp at 200 pounds. Looks like he did what everyone said he should if he's 255 now. I am glad that Petrie didn't let this kid slip away, I look forward to seeing his improvement. Oh yeah, I guess no Matt Barnes. That sucks.
 

Bricklayer

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SacTownKid said:
Huh, I was just asking about Anwar the other day. If you remember he was quite the shot blocking beast. Unfortunately he wasn't much else but a good shot blocker he was. If you remember last year he came into camp at 200 pounds. Looks like he did what everyone said he should if he's 255 now. I am glad that Petrie didn't let this kid slip away, I look forward to seeing his improvement. Oh yeah, I guess no Matt Barnes. That sucks.
Just looking at the scattered evidence, watch out for Jones as a major shotblocker too. Also all he does, although has a much better body than Anwar did last year. Btween those two and Sampson, at least our training camp team should be able to defend the paint. ;)
 
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Bricklayer said:
Just looking at the scattered evidence, watch out for Jones as a major shotblocker too. Also all he does, although has a much better body than Anwar did last year. Btween those two and Sampson, at least our training camp team should be able to defend the paint. ;)

http://www.hoopshype.com/players/lonnie_jones.htm

Yeah this is what Hoopshype says on the guy.

[font=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Position: C
Born: 11/08/79
Height: 7-0 / 2,13
Weight: 228 lbs. / 103,4 kg.
College: Ball State '02
[/font] [font=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Great shot blocker... Long and athletic... No offensive game.[/font]
 

Bricklayer

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Most likely because Daniels has no realistic shot to make the team, and Barnes did not want to be in that situation. Erik is probably happy just to get an invite back to a camp, whereas Matt is likely looking for (and deserves) a commitment or at least good chance of making a roster.
 
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CruzDude said:
The apparent training camp roster for the Kings this year shown in the bottom of the Bee Article with my updates. Two 7 footers and 6-11 Dan Langhi are there. Interesting

Training Camp Roster Sept 24, 2005
33 Sharif Abdur-Rahim PF 6-9, 245 Cal '90 9
10 Mike Bibby PG 6-1, 190 Arizona '00
15 Eric Daniels F 6-8, 214 Kentucky 04
33 Anwar Ferguson C 7-0, 255 Arkansas '05
8 Luis Flores PG 6-2, 200 Mahattan
32 Francisco Garcia SG 6-7, 195 Lousiville 06
3 Jason Hart PG 6-3, 185 Syracuse '00
45 Lonnie Jones C 7-0, 228 Ball State '02
22 Dan Langhi F 6-11, 220 Vanderbilt, '00
23 Kevin Martin SG 6-7, 185 West.Carolina 05
52 Brad Miller C 7-0, 261 Purdue '98
20 Rickey Paulding SG 6-4, 210 Missoouri '04
7 Ronnie Price PG 6-2, 190 Utah Val St 05
31 Jamal Sampson PF 6-11, 235 California '02
40 Eric Sandrin F 6-8, 225 Seattle Pacific
54 Brian Skinner C 6-9, 265 Baylor '98
16 Peja Stojakovic SF 6-10, 229 Serbia
9 Kenny Thomas PF 6-7, 245 New Mexico '99
42 Bonzi Wells SG 6-5, 210 Ball State '98
34 Corliss Williamson SF 6-7, 245 Arkansas '96
When you look at the list of invitees, it is obvious that there is just no room for Matt Barnes on this roster if we are only looking to carry 13. As mentioned, Erik Daniels has relatively no shot of making the roster, so no sense making Barnes go through that.

As I see the roster- 11 spots are accounted for...

PG- Bibby, Hart
Wings/Swings- Bonzi, Peja, Cisco, Martin, Corliss
Big Men- Abdur-Rahim, Miller, Thomas, Skinner

Ideally, and if recent history is any indication, we will carry a third PG- this is roster spot # 12. To me, this is shaping up to be a great battle between Flores and Price. FLores seems more like the Eddie House PG (not really a PG at all, but instant offense) whereas Price seems like more of a true PG. This position is largely irrelevant if Bibby and Hart stay healthy, but this is the Kings, so you never know.

Spot 13 is likely to be another big man (that balances the roster, gives you plenty of options in garbage time and insures you a bit against injury). People here seem to think of Sampson as the frontrunner because he signed a contract early on, but that is what Courtney Alexander did last year, and he got beat out by Mo Evans. As a matter of fact, this roster battle reminds me a lot of the Alexander/Barnes/Evans battle last year in that you know at least one will make the team, and it will be based exclusively on who plays better and wants it. So the battle is between Fergueson, Sampson, and Jones for one roster spot. If I had to handicap this battle, my money would go to Fergueson. He has been in camp before, and these guys who keep hanging around usually do so because Geoff likes something about them (I seem to recall Jabari Smith hanging around in a couple training camps before making the squad). I think Jones brings more to this team than Sampson does, so going into training camp I would say that the most likely running order is Fergueson, Jones, Sampson. Of course, injuries in training camp will also play a large role (Kings really liked Alexander heading into camp, but he was always hurt and never showed the staff much).

The other guys seems out of luck because of roster size. In my experience, Dan Langhi is not what this team needs. Having seen him played, he reminds me a lot of a poor man's Scott Padgett- we need physcial guys down low, not Padgett, and certainly not Langhi.

I love Ricky Paulding and think he could play a Mo Evans type role, but there is simply no room. We need a third PG and a 5th big man (in my opinion), so it seems that to make the team he would need to beat out Cisco or Martin. Possible, but not probable. Or maybe we stash Price/Flores on an NBADL roster because Paulding really wows us. More likely, but still not probable.

We have seen Erik Daniels. He would have to have a mighty camp. The team will likely carry 5 swing men (MAYBE, MAYBE 6 if Paulding is the real deal), and Daniels is currently no better than 7th. If Geoff thought that there was a chance a training camp invitee would make it on to the roster at the swing position, he would have invited Barnes, not Daniels.

I know nothing about Eric Sandrin, and find it hard to believe that a 6-8, 225 forward is making this team when we already have a glut of guys between 6-6 and 6-9.
 

CruzDude

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Anwar Ferguson is quite an anomoly. Three different sites have his height but no weight, one said 255, I copied but didn't believe. Then more research shows one site listing him at 7-0 and 200 lb!! Another at 205 lb. So I don't believe any but suspect he is closer to 200 or 205 than 220 or more.
 
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Bricklayer

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CruzDude said:
Anwar Ferguson is quite an anomoly. Three different sites have his height but no weight, one said 255, I copied but didn't believe. Then more research shows one site listing him at 7-0 and 200 lb!! Another at 215 lb. So I don't believe any but suspect he is closer to 200 or 210 than 220 or more.
Here's what Anwar has been up to since we saw him last -- not terribly impressive:

Anwar Ferguson 7'0"
"Gives an inside defensive presence with his outstanding shot blocking ability"

2004-2005: Sacramento Kings (NBA): waived at the end of Oct.'04 before the season started, in Feb.'05 was tested by Galatasaray Istanbul (TUR-D1), but not signed, so joined immediately 08 Stockholm (SWE-Basketligan), but released without playing any game
2005: In June signed at Arkansas Angels (WBA): 5 games: 6.6ppg, 7.8rpg, 3.8bpg
 
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Bricklayer said:
Eric Sangrin 6'8"
Sounds like the longest of long shots...variously described as a "minor league talent", great warm up dunker, "garbage time scorer", "king of the open shot" and mentioned several times for having been posterized by various people. Came out of small school in '02. Been in several summer leagues. Not clear where he's been playing as a pro.
I saw this guy a few times in college. He played in the same conference as Humboldt State. His senior year, Humboldt had a smaller sophomore forward named Fred Hooks (6' 6"), and Sangrin got murdered by him each game I saw. Sangrin has a swagger about him, but in college he didn't have a whole lot to back that up. I wish Hooks were about 2-3 inches taller. If he was he'd be NBA material. His butt just ain't big enough at 6' 6". He isn't a Barkley-type.

Sangrin also has a brother. I think they're twins, and their Seattle Pacific team in '02 was a good one. They lost in the NCAA to Humboldt. Sangrin will be back w/ the Globetrotters this winter. Was it Eric or his brother that played w/ the Trotters?
 
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Well, I'm glad to see a guy like Lonnie Jones in there. Erik Daniels I thought would be back after reading the Sacbee article on him in July. Who knows about Barnes now, his agent was calling all over the league anyways. Ferguson being back is interesting, he sounds/seems like a solid big.

Never heard of Sangrin or Langhi.

Would of liked to see at least one or two of the guys in my signature on there, but Jones/Paulding/Flores/Daniels/Ferguson is a nice group. Guess I'll remove my signature for now...

I'd say Barnes to the Spurs was out of the picture since they signed Finley, and didn't re-sign Brown. The Heat should still be a possibility as a third swingman (Anderson can play SG as well). Which I'd rather not see happen ;).
 
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One thing I noticed about Anwar last season is that he would get down on himself. After blowing a play he would hang his head and drag his feet up the court. He was an incredible shot blocker from what I remember though. It will be interesting to see how he has improved. If he is 255 I would be shocked, b/c he really is built more like a Dalembert then a Dampier. Still, he has to have improved his body to be given another invite.

I just wonder who is going to get that 12th spot. The way I see it these are guaranteed to be in uniform

PG: Bibby, Hart
SG: Wells, Martin, Garcia
SF: Peja, Corliss
PF: Abdur-Rahim, K9
C: Miller, Skinner

Street clothes / NBDL: Price

I would hope that the 12th spot would go to another big man. Sampson, Anwar, Jones just someone with size in case a matchup calls for it. I think every other position is pretty deep. It wouldn't shock me to see none of these big guys make it. Last year I thought for sure the Kings would carry a 5th big man but they decided to go with who could contribute the most. Of course I didn't blame them b/c none of them should have been on the team. Anwar wasn't ready for the NBA (still would have liked to see him waving a towel), Parada just plain showed absolutely nothing, and Ford sucked. Now that we have pretty much all of the spots filled I would be disappointed for them not to put another big man on the team.
 
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Bricklayer

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SacTownKid said:
One thing I noticed about Anwar last season is that he would get down on himself. After blowing a play he would hang his head and drag his feet up the court. He was an incredible shot blocker from what I remember though. It will be interesting to see how he has improved. If he is 255 I would be shocked, b/c he really is built more like a Dalembert then a Dampier. Still, he has to have improved his body to be given another invite.

I just wonder who is going to get that 12th spot. The way I see it these are guaranteed to be in uniform

PG: Bibby, Hart
SG: Wells, Martin, Garcia
SF: Peja, Corliss
PF: Abdur-Rahim, K9
C: Miller, Skinner

Street clothes / NBDL: Price

I would hope that the 12th spot would go to another big man. Sampson, Anwar, Jones just someone with size in case a matchup calls for it. I think every other position is pretty deep. It wouldn't shock me to see none of these big guys make it. Last year I thought for sure the Kings would carry a 5th big man but they decided to go with who could contribute the most. Of course I didn't blame them b/c none of them should have been on the team. Anwar wasn't ready for the NBA (still would have liked to see him waving a towel), Parada just plain showed absolutely nothing, and Ford sucked. Now that we have pretty much all of the spots filled I would be disappointed for them not to put another big man on the team.
You forgot about Sampson -- he was given a guaranteed deal I think, so he's probably already #12. Rest of these guys might just be playing for NBDL contracts.
 
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SacTownKid said:
I just wonder who is going to get that 12th spot. The way I see it these are guaranteed to be in uniform

PG: Bibby, Hart
SG: Wells, Martin, Garcia
SF: Peja, Corliss
PF: Abdur-Rahim, K9
C: Miller, Skinner

Street clothes / NBDL: Price
I thought I remember reading that they could carry more than 12 on the roster per the new CBA. I think Petrie may have said something about keeping 13. Does anybody remember?
 
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Bricklayer said:
You forgot about Sampson -- he was given a guaranteed deal I think, so he's probably already #12. Rest of these guys might just be playing for NBDL contracts.
Is he? Or is his deal guarnteed if he makes the team and stays past december?
 
#28
Other than another team getting him, maybe they plan to sign Barnes for the vet. min.? Which could explain why he isn't on the training camp roster?

Article with the section on Daniels:

Kings notes: García having trouble finding bottom of net

By Sam Amick -- Bee Staff Writer
Published 2:15 am PDT Tuesday, July 12, 2005

LAS VEGAS - Nearly every dimension of Francisco García's game has been on display during his first week as a King.
Except the one for which he's known.

The Kings' first-round pick out of Louisville with the "shooter" tag firmly attached to his name has struggled from the floor, hitting just 5 of 21 shots in his past two summer league games at UNLV's Cox Pavillion. The stats from García's Wednesday debut were inaccurate because of computer error, but they weren't pretty, either.


García has missed badly on many attempts, with a handful of shots entirely missing the rim.

"He has to learn to be consistent with his shot," Kings coach Rick Adelman said. "When he takes his shot, it has to be the same shot. When he takes it, it's almost an afterthought. He's fading away. He's leaning. You have to shoot the same shot. I think that's a process he's going to have to learn."

Mobley to Clippers? - The Kings may be about to lose Cuttino Mobley for nothing in return.

A league executive said Mobley seriously is considering joining the Los Angeles Clippers, who have $16 million of salary-cap space and would be able to sign Mobley outright rather than in a sign-and-trade with Sacramento. Kings co-owner Gavin Maloof, however, said he had no knowledge of a deal.

"That's news to us," Maloof said. "Until we know for sure, I guess we'll just wait."

The Clippers, Washington Wizards and Denver Nuggets have been pursuing Mobley, the 29-year-old guard who opted out of the final year of his contract with the Kings that would have paid him $6.4 million.

E-Train - A slimmer and sleeker Erik Daniels has impressed in an attempt to win a job.

The former King and free-agent forward has lost 26 pounds from his personal high of 240 pounds last season, when he said the anti-athlete's diet of fast food and not enough playing time thickened his game in all the wrong ways. He also has lost the towering Afro he donned during the Kings' playoff series against Seattle.

"I've been working out, getting home-cooked meals," said Daniels, who has been living in Kentucky. "I'm only an hour and a half from my home(town) in Lexington. I go home and get food and bring it back from my mom and grandma. I feel good."

Daniels was just 180 pounds when he began playing at Kentucky. Now at 214, Daniels has been effective - quick down the floor and showcasing an improved shot. He has hit 10 of 19 shots in his past two games and scored 14 points against New Jersey on Saturday.

Dinged in the desert - Practice was a time for the Kings to heal. Guard Kevin Martin, Daniels and García were banged up in a physical loss to Chicago on Sunday. A day later, Martin had a bandage on his elbow and didn't practice; García and Daniels did minimal work. Undrafted point guard Ronnie Price missed Sunday's game but was relieved an X-ray showed he had not broken a toe. The Utah Valley State product who has earned rave reviews instead has a toe infection and will try to play against the Los Angeles Clippers on Wednesday.

http://www.sacbee.com/content/sports/story/13219179p-14062072c.html
 
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CruzDude

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#29
Petrie is on record saying he will carry the minimum of 13 on the roster. This includes both "active" and "inactive" players. The inactive players can be assigned to the "D League" but only if they are in their first or second NBA years.
 
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It's cool that Daniels has slimmed down and sped up. I don't know if he is gonna make the roster, but the more competition the better.

Since the top twelve should be decided by now, my guess is the next 3 will be something like Price, Furgeson, Paulding. True backup PG, big body, athletic safety net. All three are eligible for the NBDL(I believe...) so that is awesome.