Kings Roster for 08-09... Moves,Trades,Draft

[sactownfan]

KING ROSTER for 08-09... Moves,Trades,Draft

Wow with 3 draft picks this year... possibly the 9th-12th pick along with the 41st and 42nd picks. It dawned on me that if Artest stays and we resign Beno Udrih. We have a set 12 man roster not including any of our picks, which would put us at 15 if we keep those.

So this means it should be a more eventful off season than usual. Theres no way around it.... we will have to BUYOUT! TRADE! or even better, let Artest and Beno do the usual WALK FOR NOTHING IN RETURN!

THIS IS GONNA BE A CLUCH OFF SEASON!

Miller is actually trade bait !
Salmons is trade bait!
Artest is still sign and trade bait!

Would Kenny Thomas opt out? full well knowing that he might be better off signing a 1yr deal for less money, with a team that might play him vs sitting on the bench just getting 1yr older... he could make himself more money in the long run if he could just log some mins. plus you know hes not happy here.

Will SAR retire?

Will we trade up or down?

Or will we trade our picks and a player for a STAR!

for the first time in awhile i feel like we MUST do something this off season
and theres no chance we stand pat. Just having a 1st and 2 sec round picks almost screams some sort of Trade coming! Last years draft was fun being in the lottery even at the 10 spot and im looking forward to a really busy off season this year.

 

[SacKings7]

Why do you want to let Beno walk?? He's playing better than Bibby did for us

 

[sactownfan]

i dont.... its just an option that the kings use from time to time.

 

[SacKings4Life21]

Well I just don't wanna give beno a ton of money. He is good but seriously he is not worth more than 5mil a year. 3 year 15 mil is all id offer him

 

[Big Cuz 15]

hes worth the mid level. too bad we can't get him for 4 mill per year on a 5 yr contract.

 

[Vlade4GM]

Cap space is worth more than Udrih. There, someone has to say it.

 

[upinsmoke]

I hope the Kings trade miller and sign Artest.

 

[Warhawk]

I hope the Kings trade miller and sign Artest.

I hope they sign Beno and S&T Artest, if he's still here....

 

[One and Done]

In regards to Beno, I'm in the minority in saying that he's a risk...

He's been injury prone, and to be honest, he's good. Not great. I don't know if he's really worth a 5 year, 30 mill deal. I see him being injured too much, being inconsistent. Now 3 years for 16-18, that I can deal with, but this is not likely.

I think SAR's done...but he'll likely take the Darius Miles route and take forever to get that injury clause. I think Thomas is done as well, which is why he'll continue to rake in the dough at the end of the bench. He can't get a contract anywhere else.

I forsee the Kings drafting a PG in the first round, but anything could happen. We need help at every position, both now and down the road. I'm not putting much faith in our second rounders, as they'll likely be bench fodder if they make it past training camp, but I'm keeping my fingers crossed for a Landry or Ginobili-like steal.

Barring any unpredictable moves and Artest not opting out, the outlook for next season is rather grim...but I am being patient & hopeful for a great summer 2010.

 

[91sickness]

I hope Kenny chooses to walk and then we have a roster spot n some cash for 1 of our draftees. I think we should keep Miller around a little longer so he can continue to mentor Hawes. He is the future center of this team so we might as well have Brad help our future by sticking around for another season or so then trade him. He would be an attractive expiring contract to a team when the time comes!

 

[KCKingsCountry]

I hope the Kings trade miller and sign Artest.

I would rather get rid of Artest and keep Miller. His salary will come in handy fairly quickly.

 

[OptimusRhyme]

i say throw artest a 2-3 year contract around 28 mil and take in offers for him as trade bait but only really good offers.

resign beno 3 years MLE

let go of
a.johnson, Wright,

Draft
Best PG or PF left with our first rounder
Draft a big with potential in the 2nd rd
Draft BPA with our last pick

Possibly try and move a swingman for another pick.

Move spence into the starting lineup for next year at C with Miller at PF

 

[Gary]

I really don't think Artest will be here next season. He is worth about 5mil/yr more than he is now..

Would you rather have 1yr @ 8.5mil or 5yrs @ 13mil/yr totaling 58mil? Who knows what can happen between now and next season. He could have a career ending injury. Even if he was only to get 10mil/yr he might take it if it was 3-5 years.. You have to look at what his contract is worth now. Either 8.5mil or 30-50mil.. I am pretty sure his agent will tell him to become a FA.

Anyhow, I want to see a Beno/Martin back court, and a Garcia/draft pick/Hawes front line.

But knowing how unlucky we are we will probably have;
PG-?
SG-Martin
SF-Artest
PF-Moore
C-Miller

Salmons will be upset he still has to come off the bench, and Garcia will ask for a trade because he wants to start. Beno won't re-sign and we will have to draft a PG leaving the PF spot crappy for one more year.

 

[BMiller52]

I really don't think Artest will be here next season. He is worth about 5mil/yr more than he is now..

Would you rather have 1yr @ 8.5mil or 5yrs @ 13mil/yr totaling 58mil? Who knows what can happen between now and next season. He could have a career ending injury. Even if he was only to get 10mil/yr he might take it if it was 3-5 years.. You have to look at what his contract is worth now. Either 8.5mil or 30-50mil.. I am pretty sure his agent will tell him to become a FA.

Anyhow, I want to see a Beno/Martin back court, and a Garcia/draft pick/Hawes front line.

But knowing how unlucky we are we will probably have;
PG-?
SG-Martin
SF-Artest
PF-Moore
C-Miller

Salmons will be upset he still has to come off the bench, and Garcia will ask for a trade because he wants to start. Beno won't re-sign and we will have to draft a PG leaving the PF spot crappy for one more year.

Artest and his agent already said they probably won't opt out.

 

[Gary]

I still think they will.. His agent would be dumb to tell him not to. He is throwing away millions because Artest only has 8.5mil in guaranteed salary. If he were to opt out and get a 5yr 50mil contract he would be making 41.5mil more than his current contract. Something bad could happen (knock on wood) to Artest between now and 2009.

I just can't believe his agent would say he is staying..

 

[BawLa]

I still think they will.. His agent would be dumb to tell him not to. He is throwing away millions because Artest only has 8.5mil in guaranteed salary. If he were to opt out and get a 5yr 50mil contract he would be making 41.5mil more than his current contract. Something bad could happen (knock on wood) to Artest between now and 2009.

I just can't believe his agent would say he is staying..

Who has that kind of money to pay him this offseason? And can you see that/those teams wanting/needing Artest? All information I've seen up to this point suggests there is no such team. But I could be very wrong.

Why do you say that something bad could happen to Artest? Something bad could happen to anyone, so what's the deal with that?

 

[kennadog]

I hope Kenny chooses to walk and then we have a roster spot n some cash for 1 of our draftees.

Why would KT walk? Would you just walk away from millions that you won't get anywhere else?

The Kings could maybe buy him out for a slight discount and that would open up a roster spot. Unfortunately, it would free up little cash (he's not likely to accept more than a small discount) and it would still apply against the salary cap for the length of his contract. Not only would it still count against the cap, we couldn't even use him in a trade deal anymore.

 

[SacKings7]

Why would KT walk? Would you just walk away from millions that you won't get anywhere else?

The Kings could maybe buy him out for a slight discount and that would open up a roster spot. Unfortunately, it would free up little cash (he's not likely to accept more than a small discount) and it would still apply against the salary cap for the length of his contract. Not only would it still count against the cap, we couldn't even use him in a trade deal anymore.

True, but that's very unlikely that that'll happen until he's expiring anyway. We're probably better off letting his contract expire instead of trying to trade it (when he's in his final year), depending on what stage of rebuilding we are in

 

[bajaden]

Who has that kind of money to pay him this offseason? And can you see that/those teams wanting/needing Artest? All information I've seen up to this point suggests there is no such team. But I could be very wrong.

Why do you say that something bad could happen to Artest? Something bad could happen to anyone, so what's the deal with that?

I think all Gary was saying is that you never know what the future holds. Hell, Duncan could go down with a knee injury. Look what happened to the Fakers when Gasol went down, or Dallas when Dirk went down.
There are a lot of teams out there that would love to have Artest. Whether they have the money is another question. I firmly beleive that the best way to aquire him is in a sign and trade, if it carries into the next off season. If he decides to stay, then he's a real bargin. You can trade for him along with the Bird rights and try him out for a year. That way there's no long term commitment. If you like what you see, then you can offer more than anyone else. So I personaly hope that he decides to stay for another year. But knowing Artest, he probably won't.

 

[Warhawk]

True, but that's very unlikely that that'll happen until he's expiring anyway. We're probably better off letting his contract expire instead of trying to trade it (when he's in his final year), depending on what stage of rebuilding we are in

Does the Gasol trade ring any bells? Some teams can be desparate for expirings. And what difference does it make if he is on the bench? He, by all accounts so far, has not been a problem this year. If you buy him out, you are paying for an asset (so to speak ) you no longer control. In general, why do that if the amount you save is miniscule?

 

[Smills91]

I still think they will.. His agent would be dumb to tell him not to. He is throwing away millions because Artest only has 8.5mil in guaranteed salary. If he were to opt out and get a 5yr 50mil contract he would be making 41.5mil more than his current contract. Something bad could happen (knock on wood) to Artest between now and 2009.

I just can't believe his agent would say he is staying..

It's simple econmics. Suppy and demand. While Artest certainly may be worth what you say in a comparative market analysis, the fact is, no one that would offer him that can, and those that can, won't (which is like 2-3 teams). This is why Ron will not opt out of his contract.

 

[Gary]

I am talking full contract worth. 8.5 or whatever he is due next season is far less than 20mil that any team could give him over 3 seasons.... Even though his "per year" is less he still makes more in the long run. Certainly if the Kings can offer John Salmons 5 years at 35mil someone could give Artest 3 years at 20-25mil.

Dunno though, just me. I would rather have 20mil than 8.

 

[kennadog]

True, but that's very unlikely that that'll happen until he's expiring anyway. We're probably better off letting his contract expire instead of trying to trade it (when he's in his final year), depending on what stage of rebuilding we are in

Exactly my point. We gain little no advantage by buying him out early.

 

[usballer33]

hi. im fairly new to the board. here is my idea (may sound crazy but why not lol):

resign udrih (2yr $12m)
resign artest (3yr $33m)

buyout thomas
abdur-rahim retire
or we trade both (for something, anything, future picks/cash for all i care)
trade salmons to phoenix for their pick via atl (or give them cash for the pick)

draft:
12th- Darrell Arthur, PF Kansas
15th (from phx)- Ty Lawson, PG UNC
41st- Joey Dorsey, PF/C Memphis
45th- Shan Foster, SG/SF Vanderbilt

Roster:
PG: Udrih, Lawson, Douby
SG: Martin, Garcia
SF: Artest, Foster
PF: Moore, Williams, Arthur
C: Miller, Hawes, Dorsey

I like that team, though it may never happen. what do you all think?

 

[SacKings7]

Does the Gasol trade ring any bells? Some teams can be desparate for expirings. And what difference does it make if he is on the bench? He, by all accounts so far, has not been a problem this year. If you buy him out, you are paying for an asset (so to speak ) you no longer control. In general, why do that if the amount you save is miniscule?

I realize that. But expiring contracts ALONE won't get you a star player. Usually expiring's are packaged with a young player or 2 to get an established star. So we'd have to throw in Garcia or some other guy with KT. Which is fine by me if we're getting a star back, but most star players make more than KT

 

[Entity]

It's simple econmics. Suppy and demand. While Artest certainly may be worth what you say in a comparative market analysis, the fact is, no one that would offer him that can, and those that can, won't (which is like 2-3 teams). This is why Ron will not opt out of his contract.

Also this is rons first year that he hasn't had any off court issues. Now If he does go one more year with the same numbers as this year and the keep his head on straight market value would be at an all time high after next season.

 

[Warhawk]

I realize that. But expiring contracts ALONE won't get you a star player. Usually expiring's are packaged with a young player or 2 to get an established star. So we'd have to throw in Garcia or some other guy with KT. Which is fine by me if we're getting a star back, but most star players make more than KT

OK.....

But if you waive him or buy him out, you don't even have the opportunity to package someone with him to trade. Unless he will take a substantial pay cut to do so or opt out, there is no (logical) reason to get rid of him at this point....

 

[SacKings7]

OK.....

But if you waive him or buy him out, you don't even have the opportunity to package someone with him to trade. Unless he will take a substantial pay cut to do so or opt out, there is no (logical) reason to get rid of him at this point....

I don't think you understood my initial post, because I agree with yours. What I meant was that if he is still around in his final year, we're probably better off just letting him expire instead of trading away young guys with him. Obviously if we have a chance to get rid him thru trade now, we do it. The only way I can see us cutting him is if we're so tired of trying to trade him, and just want his roster spot for an undrafted rookie or something

 

[Gary]

hi. im fairly new to the board. here is my idea (may sound crazy but why not lol):

resign udrih (2yr $12m)
resign artest (3yr $33m)

buyout thomas
abdur-rahim retire
or we trade both (for something, anything, future picks/cash for all i care)
trade salmons to phoenix for their pick via atl (or give them cash for the pick)

draft:
12th- Darrell Arthur, PF Kansas
15th (from phx)- Ty Lawson, PG UNC
41st- Joey Dorsey, PF/C Memphis
45th- Shan Foster, SG/SF Vanderbilt

Roster:
PG: Udrih, Lawson, Douby
SG: Martin, Garcia
SF: Artest, Foster
PF: Moore, Williams, Arthur
C: Miller, Hawes, Dorsey

I like that team, though it may never happen. what do you all think?

You pick Arthur t 12th just to put him at the end of the bench behind Moore, and Williams?

 

[bajaden]

You pick Arthur t 12th just to put him at the end of the bench behind Moore, and Williams?

Whats the prob Gary? I think its appropiate that someone drafted 12th become the 12th player on the bench. He can always ask Douby how to get playing time.