[Game] Kings @ Rockets, 3/30/2022 5pm Pacific, 8pm Eastern

[Tetsujin]

This franchise gives you nothing to look forward to.

I’m looking forward to Davion continuing to be awesome to close out the season.

 

[kb02]

This franchise gives you nothing to look forward to.

The Kings don’t give much to look forward to, but they sure are dysfunctional. This year they…Fired Walton. Still suck. Traded Hali for Domas to make the play-in. Still suck. Tried to tank. Still suck at tanking.

That said, I’m looking forward to the following:
1. Trading any remaining player that Vlade acquired.
2. For the conversation to transition from can Fox play with _______ to can Domas play with ________. And since Domas plays better with Mitchell, should the Kings trade Fox, move him to the two guard spot, or the 6th man role?
3. Record low attendance.
4. Monte getting fired by the trade deadline, but before that he’ll go on CD’s show to answer questions as his seat gets hot. Shortly afterwards, Vivek will bring on Brad Miller as a special advisor, who will end up getting the GM role and he’ll bring on Kenny Thomas as his right hand man.
5. The Kings getting the 7th pick and drafting Duren, who I like, but is the worse possible fit for the Kings. Monte goes BPA. FTW.
6. Drafting another set of busts in round 2.
7. The Kings offering the coaching job to Hammon, who turns it down, because Pop says it’s basketball hell. They then offer it to Musselman, but he turns it down, because he would have to Uber everywhere in Sac. So they end up hiring D’Antonio, who says no one is untradeable at his first press conference. Shortly thereafter, Fox releases his first NFT to his fans, who gave him $1.5m recently only for Fox to say thanks, but rain check on the NFT. The first NFT? A bouncing fox in a field with a snake in the grass.

 

[iowamcnabb]

Kings Rap in full Cesspool mode I see.

 

[chief bromden]

The Kings don’t give much to look forward to, but they sure are dysfunctional. This year they…Fired Walton. Still suck. Traded Hali for Domas to make the play-in. Still suck. Tried to tank. Still suck at tanking.

That said, I’m looking forward to the following:
1. Trading any remaining player that Vlade acquired.
2. For the conversation to transition from can Fox play with _______ to can Domas play with ________. And since Domas plays better with Mitchell, should the Kings trade Fox, move him to the two guard spot, or the 6th man role?
3. Record low attendance.
4. Monte getting fired by the trade deadline, but before that he’ll go on CD’s show to answer questions as his seat gets hot. Shortly afterwards, Vivek will bring on Brad Miller as a special advisor, who will end up getting the GM role and he’ll bring on Kenny Thomas as his right hand man.
5. The Kings getting the 7th pick and drafting Duren, who I like, but is the worse possible fit for the Kings. Monte goes BPA. FTW.
6. Drafting another set of busts in round 2.
7. The Kings offering the coaching job to Hammon, who turns it down, because Pop says it’s basketball hell. They then offer it to Musselman, but he turns it down, because he would have to Uber everywhere in Sac. So they end up hiring D’Antonio, who says no one is untradeable at his first press conference. Shortly thereafter, Fox releases his first NFT to his fans, who gave him $1.5m recently only for Fox to say thanks, but rain check on the NFT. The first NFT? A bouncing fox in a field with a snake in the grass.

#4 is hilariously realistic. Hell, they all are. Thanks for the chuckle while I sip coffee before work.

 

[sactowndog]

To Houston’s credit, Sengun is actually injured and they were still playing their second overall pick and KPJ.

Portland has uhhhhhh not been doing that.

Yeah expected we would win this game. Would prefer to see no one’s minutes above 36 minutes only because your injury risk increases as you play more minutes and we don’t want an injury in these types of games.

 

[Tetsujin]

Yeah expected we would win this game. Would prefer to see no one’s minutes above 36 minutes only because your injury risk increases as you play more minutes and we don’t want an injury in these types of games.

The Davion minutes thing is what it is at this point. Considering Justin Holiday and Lamb are both older (with Lamb coming off of a long series of fairly major leg injuries) and DDV not even being a year removed from having his ankle ligaments tear off the bone, playing him 40 minutes a night with Fox out is pretty much the only option because we've refused to fill that last two-way spot with another guard.

Barnes and Holiday have definitely seen their minutes decrease over the last couple of games but Lyles and Jones played big minutes last night since they were pretty much the only bigs on the roster capable of playing against the Rockets' lineups made up of guys 6'9" and below.

Going forward, I'd like to see Jackson and Queta get more burn in lieu of Barnes and Len but, aside from that, the Kings have pretty much done everything they can to bottom out the roster to end the season. They're just winning these games anyways.

 

[Kingster]

Where is the peer reviewed article that correlates 40 minutes per game over so many games to injury? I keep reading this stuff, but is this pure speculation supported by the increasing wussiness of our society or is there a scientific basis? How many consecutive games of 40 minutes or more do you have to play before the probability of injury goes into statistically significant levels and it's not just chance that is causing the injury?

I'll say this on the minutes issue. One can say that if you play more minutes you're going to have a greater chance of getting injured than if you play less minutes. After all, if a player plays zero minutes I feel pretty confident he's not going to get injured playing basketball. But is there really anything more to it than that?

 

[ESP47]

Where is the peer reviewed article that correlates 40 minutes per game over so many games to injury? I keep reading this stuff, but is this pure speculation supported by the increasing wussiness of our society or is there a scientific basis? How many consecutive games of 40 minutes or more do you have to play before the probability of injury goes into statistically significant levels and it's not just chance that is causing the injury?

I'll say this on the minutes issue. One can say that if you play more minutes you're going to have a greater chance of getting injured than if you play less minutes. After all, if a player plays zero minutes I feel pretty confident he's not going to get injured playing basketball. But is there really anything more to it than that?

You should run a study on whether or not players get injured more often playing for Thibs vs. other coaches.

 

[EIM86]

Where is the peer reviewed article that correlates 40 minutes per game over so many games to injury? I keep reading this stuff, but is this pure speculation supported by the increasing wussiness of our society or is there a scientific basis? How many consecutive games of 40 minutes or more do you have to play before the probability of injury goes into statistically significant levels and it's not just chance that is causing the injury?

I'll say this on the minutes issue. One can say that if you play more minutes you're going to have a greater chance of getting injured than if you play less minutes. After all, if a player plays zero minutes I feel pretty confident he's not going to get injured playing basketball. But is there really anything more to it than that?

Yup players used to play over 40 all the time back then it’s nothing new

 

[Kingster]

You should run a study on whether or not players get injured more often playing for Thibs vs. other coaches.

Hugh?

 

[sactowndog]

Where is the peer reviewed article that correlates 40 minutes per game over so many games to injury? I keep reading this stuff, but is this pure speculation supported by the increasing wussiness of our society or is there a scientific basis? How many consecutive games of 40 minutes or more do you have to play before the probability of injury goes into statistically significant levels and it's not just chance that is causing the injury?

I'll say this on the minutes issue. One can say that if you play more minutes you're going to have a greater chance of getting injured than if you play less minutes. After all, if a player plays zero minutes I feel pretty confident he's not going to get injured playing basketball. But is there really anything more to it than that?

Google injury risk and fatigue. I’m not going to do such basic crap for you. The warriors have done a lot of work mapping it out for each individual player.

 

[Tetsujin]

Google injury risk and fatigue. I’m not going to do such basic crap for you. The warriors have done a lot of work mapping it out for each individual player.

The Warriors also once made KD play on a leg that was so messed up his achilles gave out several minutes into his first game back so maybe their map is wrong?

 

[sactowndog]

The Warriors also once made KD play on a leg that was so messed up his achilles gave out several minutes into his first game back so maybe their map is wrong?

The fact that a correlation exists between fatigue and injury risk is even a debate on this board is extraordinary and not in a good way.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6107769/

 

[serbiangoat]

Where is the peer reviewed article that correlates 40 minutes per game over so many games to injury? I keep reading this stuff, but is this pure speculation supported by the increasing wussiness of our society or is there a scientific basis? How many consecutive games of 40 minutes or more do you have to play before the probability of injury goes into statistically significant levels and it's not just chance that is causing the injury?

I'll say this on the minutes issue. One can say that if you play more minutes you're going to have a greater chance of getting injured than if you play less minutes. After all, if a player plays zero minutes I feel pretty confident he's not going to get injured playing basketball. But is there really anything more to it than that?

Loul Deng waving from somewhere.

 

[Kingster]

The fact that a correlation exists between fatigue and injury risk is even a debate on this board is extraordinary and not in a good way.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6107769/

LBJ, Doncic, Morant and Tatum should really curtail their field goal attempts then (9.87% increase in injury probability for every 3 FGAs). The incompetence of these medical staffs should be brought to light, especially just prior to the Kings playing LA, Dallas, Memphis and Boston! Please curtail those FGAs for your own health! We as Kings fans are concerned!

Of course injuries increases with minutes played. Common sense will tell you that. The question is whether there is an abrupt increase in the probability of injury at 40 minutes a game or 41 or 39 or whatever. In other words, what is the inflection point, if there is an inflection point? According to this article, "The odds of injury increased by 2.87% (P < .001) for each 96 minutes played." Given that basketball games are at most 48 minute endeavors, I have to assume this article is looking at total minutes over the course of the season. Davion Mitchell has averaged 26.9 minutes per game over 70 games. This is faaaaaar below the leaders like Tatum and DeRozan who have played an average of 36.2 minutes over 72 games. So what is the problem then? (Reading this article, Tatum should be on the death watch; he's a league leader in minutes played AND in field goal attempts. Feel free to call out the Celtics' medical staff for their outrageous incompetence!).

And then did you read the concluding paragraph:

"Reducing injury risk is a complex concern. Demographic risk factors cannot be changed, and perhaps the most important finding from this study was individual differences in the relative importance of minutes, rest, and performance load. For this reason, no “one-size-fits-all” solution to injury prevention is available, and general recommendations should be considered in relation to the expert judgment of the health professionals familiar with the athletes under their care." There is no determination here on an inflection point for minutes played in a game. So why the outrage about Mitchell playing 46 min against PHX and 45 against ORL?