Kings @ Raptors Game Thread

[doone]

Well I am glad we matched up so well tonight.

Tag makes a difference period. SCREW the match up garbage. It apparently doesn't work. Put Miller and Tag in there!

My thoughts exactly. We're an elite team, we should be making people match up with US, not the other way around.

 

[HndsmCelt]

Still waiting for someone to give me a valid reason why Webber played 30 Pedja 36 and Tag 0 minutes

reasons not to pay Tag
(1) Toronto shot from out side with almost no inside game
(2) Kings offense sucked
(3) One of the 2 starters that did not suck was Brad
(4) Tag brings NO offense
(5) FT's beceam important and Tag is the worst in the leage

Reasons Pedaj and Webb got 30 min
(1) they are starters
(2) usulay good shooters have to shoot out of a slump so if they blow in the first half they are more likely to paly better in the second
(3) Once the Bench got the team back in the game, Webb and Pedja were well rested so they COULD have come in and stollen a W
(4) It shows confidence in your starters even on their off nights and that could be important in future games

 

[VF21]

Tag should of at least played a few min to see if he could clog things up.

Clog up what? They weren't going inside; they were shooting from the perimeter all night.

What killed us was absymal shooting by Webber and Pedja and totally unacceptable shooting from the stripe.

 

[SacTownKid]

You needed points tonight. Brad had the rebounded down for us. Tag does not provide points. Webb may not have had a good game, but he gives us the potential for points which Tag does not. Not to mention Tag shooting free throws.

How many points did our bench score tonight!? 16 combined.

Who got us back into the game!? Stats don't mean crap. Scoring wasn't what got us back into it.

 

[Heuge]

My thoughts exactly. We're an elite team, we should be making people match up with US, not the other way around.

Just because you're an elite team doesn't mean you can make people match up.
We can be the supreme elite team but you cant make Bibby match up with Shaq.

 

[Entity]

More importantly Webb took nearly twice as many shots and only had 3 more points than Peja!

yeah Webber took twice as many shots as Peja. but he made 3 times as many shots as peja. I do believe the % favors Cwebb. Not to mention 3 times as many rebounds and assist. Also why doesn't Brad rebound when Peja and Chris are doing good. I mean he goes all year barely getting 8 then when Peja and Chris have off nights then he decides to contribute. Do it the rest of the time maybe we can blow ppl out and not come down to the final 2 min EVERY ****ING GAME.

 

[VF21]

It was a loss on the road in the second game of a back-to-back. Brad Miller set a CAREER high for rebounds. Bibby shot pretty well considering. When Webber AND Pedja aren't shooting well, the Kings are NOT going to win...

 

[SaCTowNFeveR]

Who was Tag going to guard???
That Bonner guy (who I've never heard of) was taking outside shots and hitting them, Tag is too slow to run out to the outside and defend, which is why I think Tag played 0 minutes, Miller had what, 20+ rebounds? 19? and he provided us with some points. I think not playing Tag was fine.

 

[SacTownKid]

Clog up what? They weren't going inside; they were shooting from the perimeter all night.

What killed us was absymal shooting by Webber and Pedja and totally unacceptable shooting from the stripe.

I don't think Tag just clogs up the paint. When he is in the defensive mind set is compounded. BTW Jalen Rose was killing us on the post for awhile there.

 

[HndsmCelt]

I hate the excuse (mind u this is from someone who doesn't like Tag) ... "matchups" that is such crap don't you think that goes both ways? Tag should of at least played a few min to see if he could clog things up.

Yeah I agree but that does flay in the face of conventional wisdom of coaching. Putting Tag in might have helped and could not have hurt, but give adelman props for palyeing Evans, Song and Martin once the starters shwed they could not get it done. More props for the bench getting the team back in there.

 

[doone]

Just because you're an elite team doesn't mean you can make people match up.
We can be the supreme elite team but you cant make Bibby match up with Shaq.

I meant in your respective positions. Obviously we can't use Tag to guard Alston, but I bet he could have helped keep Bosh off the boards after Webb fouled out.

 

[SacTownKid]

Over all I think this game tonight was a positive thing. We are seeing that our bench is clearly not as much as liability that everyone thinks it is. In fact our bench is pretty dang good!

 

[LPKingsFan]

It's been said here before people. I want Tag to play as much as the next person, but his matchup DOES NOT GO BOTH WAYS. While he is a defensive presence, he cannot really create on offense enough to punish a mismatch. Sorry, that's the way things go.

 

[SaCTowNFeveR]

Over all I think this game tonight was a positive thing. We are seeing that our bench is clearly not as much as liability that everyone thinks it is. In fact our bench is pretty dang good!

Yes our bench is pretty good, but we did play back to back games. We should know by now that the Kings don't play very well on back to back games, ESPECIALLY Webber, Peja and Chris' poor shooting hurt us, along with the free throws.

 

[Twix]

Brad got a career high rebound...18!!! Congrats Brad!!!

The free throwing shooting really killed us tonight! If we could have made half of them, the percent of winning was very good. Looks like this game was just meant to not be a W. Nothing was going right.

Gary Gearld said on the radio that if Raptors scored of 95+ pts, all fans at the game gets free pizza! They got 96 pts... so pizza to everyone...even the Kings fans at the game.

Two more games left on the road...need to take care of them. A 3-1 on this roadtrip would be great! GO KINGS!!

 

[doone]

Btw, is it just me or did Peja put up an awfully low number of shots tonight?

 

[piksi]

reasons not to pay Tag
(1) Toronto shot from out side with almost no inside game
(2) Kings offense sucked
(3) One of the 2 starters that did not suck was Brad
(4) Tag brings NO offense
(5) FT's beceam important and Tag is the worst in the leage

Reasons Pedaj and Webb got 30 min
(1) they are starters
(2) usulay good shooters have to shoot out of a slump so if they blow in the first half they are more likely to paly better in the second
(3) Once the Bench got the team back in the game, Webb and Pedja were well rested so they COULD have come in and stollen a W
(4) It shows confidence in your starters even on their off nights and that could be important in future games

(1) Toronto had 16 offensive rebounds (Tag's domain)
(2) Tag would defenitely not made it worse
(3) Brad can play PF
(4) Other than Bibby - nobody did tonight. Tag would not have wasted so many balls.
(5) We missed 12 FT's so that argument is weak

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(1) That only works if Your name is RA
(2) where do You draw the line here. Is there anybody on the bench who can tell them to stop
(3) that worked well
(4) that is speculation at best. If You keep them out is shows respect to the players who brought the team back ion the game

 

[Variant]

Sigh... no excuses in my mind. These are the types of losses that come back to bite you at the end of the year when you lose home court advantage by 1 game to your first round opponent.

Back to back? Sure... this game was winnable except that we didn't start playing until the last 8 minutes or so.

 

[Entity]

Hell yeah they better not put a performance on like this when i am at the game friday in Atlanta, or i will be pissed.

 

[HndsmCelt]

Btw, is it just me or did Peja put up an awfully low number of shots tonight?

11 shots is low but when you only made 2 of them, and play 30 min well it's about what you expect.

 

[piksi]

Who was Tag going to guard???
That Bonner guy (who I've never heard of) was taking outside shots and hitting them, Tag is too slow to run out to the outside and defend, which is why I think Tag played 0 minutes, Miller had what, 20+ rebounds? 19? and he provided us with some points. I think not playing Tag was fine.

Who was guarding Bosh ?

 

[SacTownKid]

11 shots is low but when you only made 2 of them, and play 30 min well it's about what you expect.

At least he got to the line. That was a good thing.

 

[Entity]

Sigh... no excuses in my mind. These are the types of losses that come back to bite you at the end of the year when you lose home court advantage by 1 game to your first round opponent.

Back to back? Sure... this game was winnable except that we didn't start playing until the last 8 minutes or so.

Believe me with the way Phoenix is playing and we are playing we will not lose home court by just one game. I am thinking 4th or 5th spot.

 

[VF21]

This game was winnable except that we didn't start playing until the last 8 minutes or so.

Best 17 words in this thread, IMHO.

 

[Bballkingsrock]

We lost because of the following:

1. Kings missed a LOT of free throws.
2. 39% is what the Kings shot. Webber and Peja combined for 23 points and 8-32(25%) combined.
3. Didnt guard Rose and Bosh very well.

 

[Heuge]

I meant in your respective positions. Obviously we can't use Tag to guard Alston, but I bet he could have helped keep Bosh off the boards after Webb fouled out.

Other then their center, they have noone who plays tags postion.

 

[VF21]

Who was guarding Bosh ?

Are you kidding?

You think Ostertag could have guarded Bosh? Did you watch the game????

Bosh is young, agile and VERY fast. Tag wouldn't have been any more effective against him than anyone else was - and that's not speculation.

 

[HndsmCelt]

(1) Toronto had 16 offensive rebounds (Tag's domain)
(2) Tag would defenitely not made it worse
(3) Brad can play PF
(4) Other than Bibby - nobody did tonight. Tag would not have wasted so many balls.
(5) We missed 12 FT's so that argument is weak

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(1) That only works if Your name is RA
(2) where do You draw the line here. Is there anybody on the bench who can tell them to stop
(3) that worked well
(4) that is speculation at best. If You keep them out is shows respect to the players who brought the team back ion the game

Hind sight is 20/20 I honestly can't fault Adelman here. Second guess him sure but doing what he did when he did it good calls. I doubt any coach in the NBA would have played Tag tonight.

 

[vj9999]

It was a loss on the road in the second game of a back-to-back. Brad Miller set a CAREER high for rebounds. Bibby shot pretty well considering. When Webber AND Pedja aren't shooting well, the Kings are NOT going to win...

My thoughts exactly. I'd rather lose to an eastern conference team on the road in second game of back to back than any game to a western conference team (home or away).

Peja and Webb were off and our FT were off and we lost. Win against SA was huge, loss to Raptors on the road... I could care less (well I care a little)

 

[doone]

At least he got to the line. That was a good thing.

But then again, getting to the line means nothing if you can't make the free throws.