KINGS PICKING 4TH IN 2022 NBA DRAFT!
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Not all that different from what we saw with Pat Williams. He was a consensus late lottery pick and then started getting buzz and ultimately went 4th.
I'm not saying I'd take Daniels 4th, just that mocks all tend to reach a consensus around this time but they don't really represent how teams have set up their draft boards.
I'm not saying I'd take Daniels 4th, just that mocks all tend to reach a consensus around this time but they don't really represent how teams have set up their draft boards.
I don't get the Daniels to Hali comparison. Both guys like to pass the ball. That's the end of the comparison. You could compare anyone that gets assists to Hali if it were that simple.
Haliburton is an elite shooter with one of the better AST/TO ratios in the game. Daniels has less than a 2:1 ratio and shot 26% from 3.
Daniels projects to be a plus defender with good size and measurements. Haliburton is obviously a poor defender.
Daniels would be a nice pick late lottery, 10-15 or so. I wouldn't touch him in the top 10. You do that and you're basically just hoping he could magically be able to shoot the ball, despite there not being much evidence that he can. I'd rather not go off of guesses at this point and at least go with guys that have high probabilities in their favor.
Haliburton is an elite shooter with one of the better AST/TO ratios in the game. Daniels has less than a 2:1 ratio and shot 26% from 3.
Daniels projects to be a plus defender with good size and measurements. Haliburton is obviously a poor defender.
Daniels would be a nice pick late lottery, 10-15 or so. I wouldn't touch him in the top 10. You do that and you're basically just hoping he could magically be able to shoot the ball, despite there not being much evidence that he can. I'd rather not go off of guesses at this point and at least go with guys that have high probabilities in their favor.
My first glance at Dyson Daniels video and I thought of Kyle Anderson. But I didn’t go in depth or spend a ton of time watching video on him so maybe the athleticism is better but initial glance was Anderson and he’s a fine player that is not who I want to trade down for unless a team is giving me a very good win now piece that we would have locked up.
Agree, there is not a easier league on the planet to put up impressive numbers than the G-League it just seems like a massive joke with talented players. I watched Daniels play on the Australia u19's teams recently and the guy did not look impressive at all (he could have improved heaps no doubt). His improvement must be out of site because even when comparing him to a mid teens to 20's pick like Jovic he was rubbish than.
Here's a clip from Ivey's pro-day; McNair and Vivek are in attendance (baseline, left-side):
I know Ivey is not particularly popular on this forum due to perceived poor fit, but he is still top of my board if he's there (unless Jabari or Chet are available). He has warts but his talent is undeniable, and he will feast on the extra space in the NBA. We are not one piece away, and you don't worry about fit at the top of the draft. We're still lacking in talent, it's a need in itself.
Thankfully I think Monte has shown that he's a BPA type-guy, and I don't think he will pass on Ivey due to fit. If he passes on him, it will be because he thinks someone else is better. Ivey is one of the few players in the draft with legitimate superstar talent, IMO.
I know Ivey is not particularly popular on this forum due to perceived poor fit, but he is still top of my board if he's there (unless Jabari or Chet are available). He has warts but his talent is undeniable, and he will feast on the extra space in the NBA. We are not one piece away, and you don't worry about fit at the top of the draft. We're still lacking in talent, it's a need in itself.
Thankfully I think Monte has shown that he's a BPA type-guy, and I don't think he will pass on Ivey due to fit. If he passes on him, it will be because he thinks someone else is better. Ivey is one of the few players in the draft with legitimate superstar talent, IMO.
I'm thinking it'll be Banchero, in which case I wouldn't mind us trading down one bit.
Chet scares me because he looks like a walking non contact injury, but if he drops and we take him I'll make a little alter and burn incense to his health every night because his unicorn skillset and fit with this team is pretty good otherwise.
Ivey could be another good trade down pick if he drops to us, I feel like a lot of other rebuilding teams would covet a player like that. Or we keep him and worry about fit later!
Low key hoping McNair swings a trade for Jabari Smith Jr though. As long as we don't give up too much that is!
Chet scares me because he looks like a walking non contact injury, but if he drops and we take him I'll make a little alter and burn incense to his health every night because his unicorn skillset and fit with this team is pretty good otherwise.
Ivey could be another good trade down pick if he drops to us, I feel like a lot of other rebuilding teams would covet a player like that. Or we keep him and worry about fit later!
Low key hoping McNair swings a trade for Jabari Smith Jr though. As long as we don't give up too much that is!
Ivey could go that high, this kids talent and potential is off the charts. I still think Ivey would be terrific next to Fox with their combined athletic ability but for the top 3 teams the Thunder are probably the only good fit since SGA can run a team fairly effectively. Orlando has Suggs and he's looking every bit combo G instead of PG and that's what Ivey is. Fox is honestly the best closest to PG/SG of the top 4 IMO. Maybe this could indeed be a scenario where Monte is able to move up and get Chet before the Rox get their hands on him. The Rockets are in a tough spot because they really don't need Ivey. Green and Ivey are pretty much the exact same in terms of potential. I'm hoping Ivey is at 4 and Monte just goes with it if he can't get Chet. Smith Jr. is a good prospect but I don't know if he's franchise level talent. Great, great fit though on the surface.
You and I are on the same page in a lot of ways. Jabari is an A+ fit for the Kings but I don't know that he has the potential to be the best player on a contending team, and that's what you want at #1.
Holmgren is a decent fit with the Rockets because he does all the things Sengun can't and vice versa, but I think Banchero is better for them. They need a playmaking hub much more than OKC (who already have Giddey and SGA) and I think he'd compliment Green as well. That team probably isn't stopping anyone on defense though.
I don't hate the idea of Ivey to the Kings but I'd rather have Chet, Jabari, or Paolo.
Holmgren is a decent fit with the Rockets because he does all the things Sengun can't and vice versa, but I think Banchero is better for them. They need a playmaking hub much more than OKC (who already have Giddey and SGA) and I think he'd compliment Green as well. That team probably isn't stopping anyone on defense though.
I don't hate the idea of Ivey to the Kings but I'd rather have Chet, Jabari, or Paolo.
So really in your opinion, the only hesitation on us taking Ivey is just the fit with Fox?
Didn't we tread this road before?
(If he's unanimously the best talent at #4, I don't think I'd hesitate. Just as I said when we were in front of this crossroad last time, we could always get rid of Fox for parts that fit Ivey and vice versa.)
Didn't we tread this road before?
(If he's unanimously the best talent at #4, I don't think I'd hesitate. Just as I said when we were in front of this crossroad last time, we could always get rid of Fox for parts that fit Ivey and vice versa.)
I have the same feeling. Every year there is someone that flies up the draft boards. This year Ivey seems to be the most likely.
While Ivey may not be the best fit for us, if he is the BPA at 4, then you take him and work it out later. Drafting for need or fit makes you select Sam Bowie over MJ, Darko over Melo, Wade, Bosh et al, Bagley over Luka etc…
But as you said, and I suspect you are right, I would think that one of Holmgren or Banchero would be available at #4 for us. You would have to be pretty happy with either.
While Ivey may not be the best fit for us, if he is the BPA at 4, then you take him and work it out later. Drafting for need or fit makes you select Sam Bowie over MJ, Darko over Melo, Wade, Bosh et al, Bagley over Luka etc…
But as you said, and I suspect you are right, I would think that one of Holmgren or Banchero would be available at #4 for us. You would have to be pretty happy with either.
IMHO, if we take Ivey at #4, were hoping his 3 point shot becomes a consistent 38% shooter. If he does develop that outside shot, I take him to be the starting SG of the future, I just don't see him as a point guard.
As a Shooting Guard though, a Fox-Ivey back court would be extremely hard to defend.
As a Shooting Guard though, a Fox-Ivey back court would be extremely hard to defend.
That’s a lot hope my friend, to become a 38% three point shooter. I have to disagree. It would be really easy to guard against them. Pack the paint. Dare them to shoot. Neither would be good enough most nights to win you games like that. An ideal partner for Fox is a 2 guard that can defend and hit the three at a really high rate while also being able to take over some offensive duty when Fox sits. Also someone that doesn’t need the ball in their hands all the time to be effective.
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