EIM86
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Pretty sure Bill Walton’s son knows more then us about basketball lol.Luke Walton watched a lot of tape. Sure didn't do him any good either.
How much tape do you need to watch to say "I can confirm...."
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kb02
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While I share the same can he stay healthy concerns, for me, it's his transition from college to the pros. I don't think he's going to be anywhere near his ceiling until his second contract (assuming good health, of course). People point to that game against Duren. While Chet played well, Duren played equally like a young bull, who was over hyped, and tried to physically beat down another young bull. Duren made it easy for Chet when he went directly into Chet's body during the game. Chet, who is taller and longer than Duren, just kinda stood there and got like 3 blocks by doing essentially nothing.
Pros, who are going to be just as physically mature as Duren, but gifted with skill and experience, are going to be yo-yoing Chet in the paint and perimeter for the first few seasons. Pounding him and spinning off. Faking a shot and driving on him. So I don't think he's going to have the defensive impact that most assume.
If he's healthy, I think he has a modern Paul Gasol like arc. So I do like him, but if he's the dude that's available at 4, I would trade down and would pick Daniels, Mathurin, and Dieng in that order. Preferablly Daniels plus one of the other two.
Doesn't mean he was very good at his job, though. Just because you think someone "works hard" or "watches a lot of film" doesn't mean they are actually good at what they are supposed to be doing....
EIM86
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The guy literally played in the NBA. Pretty~~~ sure he’s got a better idea then us about basketball
steelevt
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Playing in the nba and watching a lot of tape doesnt make you a good coach. Plenty of great players werent good coach and being a player doesnt automatically make you a better coach than those who havent played. I understand your general premise that playing in the nba and having some coaching experience make him better qualified than 99.9999% of us on this forum (especially me lol), but it doesnt make him a good coach or immune to criticism from those who know basic basketball and can see what apparently he doesnt. Just like those saying Ham doesnt know that much about basketball just because he has a media pass. I rarely see him break any kings news or have any insight that stands out. Just in the last few months there have been a few kings twitter fans that started posting videos that clearly and accurately break down players on the kings and in the draft. I've seen more from them (and a few posters here) vs Ham that would make me think they know more about aspects of basketball than Ham just cuz he has been on tv or on the radio.
EIM86
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so guys where their job for basically their entire adult life that has revolved around professional basketball knows less then us amateurs about NBA basketball?
Luke Walton = Bad coach. He may have forgotten more about basketball than I will ever know, but he has proven to be poor at his job when compared with his peers.so guys where their job for basically their entire adult life that has revolved around professional basketball knows less then us amateurs about NBA basketball?
James Ham = TV/Radio guy who rubbed a lot people here wrong when he used the relocation saga and hard work of others to keep the team in town for personal gain and career advancement. He has a pretty consistent track record of losing his gigs and it appears that his access to inside info at this time is extremely curtailed and he is just retweeting national guys at this point and offering hot takes on the draft class. Compared to other journalists he is subpar in every regard except for his ability to play the game, but once he has gotten a gig his performance hasn't been worth keeping around. Comparing him to random posters on the internets isn't really fair, he should be compared with his peers. And in that regard, he is well below average.
I see the problem now. You can't comprehend what people are writing.so guys where their job for basically their entire adult life that has revolved around professional basketball knows less then us amateurs about NBA basketball?
Nobody said he knows less about NBA basketball. They repeatedly said he's not a good coach. What part of that do you not understand?
Tetsujin
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Woah woah woah, give me some credit. I’ve at least watched these guys play on TV (and descended down a Shaedon Sharpe YouTube rabbit hole or two) a couple of times.
I tried to go down this hole but lost interest. I mostly watched Ivey and Murray stuff but have backed off in the last week, at the end of the day I am pretty sure it will be one of those two. I think a lot of the Ivey smoke in the top 3 is actually aimed and teams behind us who really desperately need a SG and a playmaker and may be more eager to give up something of real value than what we might (even Detroit and Indy).
I wasn't a fan of Walton as a coach, but yes, he knows a tremendous amount about NBA basketball.
I have never felt that way about James Ham. He seems like a fan with a platform rather than an expert with connections or a deep understanding of the game.
I have never felt that way about James Ham. He seems like a fan with a platform rather than an expert with connections or a deep understanding of the game.
EIM86
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oh I can comprehend. It’s more the opposite as I didn’t get triggered over saying Ham prolly knows better then us couch GMs. Then it went to Bill Walton’s son for some reason. I just simply went along and lol’d the whole time
Is anybody really mad at James Ham around here? I just thought it was a running joke that he kept re-posting tweets about the coaching search and sortof implying that he had some inside knowledge about news that had already been reported. The Scrappy-Doo vibe is pretty funny but also basically harmless. Not everyone has a @Tetsujin to keep them informed and he's providing that service for some subset of Kings fans.
As for as his takes on prospects I think he knows as much or as little as basically any fan, coach, GM, owner, current NBA player, etc. It's all just opinion during draft season.
As for as his takes on prospects I think he knows as much or as little as basically any fan, coach, GM, owner, current NBA player, etc. It's all just opinion during draft season.
The answer is yes. Mike, Warhawk, and I think Cap can fill you in.
But also yes, much is a running joke about the Scrappy-Doo vibe, but in context of the stories the above will tell about the relocation saga and video projects surrounding it, it's less haha funny and more schadenfreude funny.
Ah, I was unaware of this angle but I can understand why that would rub some people the wrong way. There's a lot of difficult ethical questions related to documentary production. I don't know the details here but I'm sympathetic to how difficult it can be to inform without crossing the line into exploitation -- ie using other's people's stories for your own personal gain and career advancement. It's hard to know where that line is, even if your intentions are good.
I would be interested to hear more about this if someone is willing to PM about it since it's not really on-topic anymore. Call it professional curiosity.
I think if it had been about anything else than saving the team, and in many ways Sacramento as a premiere entertainment center (yeah, I know saying that has me rolling my eyes, but without an arena that's at least 100 other events besides basketball the city will lose out on), it would have been far more forgivable. People were pouring their heart into saving an important aspect of the community and then you have a guy who's main angle was he always wanted to be a sports reporter.
You can read the details here:I would be interested to hear more about this if someone is willing to PM about it since it's not really on-topic anymore. Call it professional curiosity.
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Exactly.
wow that's wild, I don't think I've ever seen the receiving team defer the pick.
Tetsujin
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To be fair, I’d probably gamble on the Sixers being more dysfunctional in a year or so like the Nets are too.
Oh me too plus the draft is likely to be better and who knows if Harden will even be there (probably but he wants more $$$)
I guess it's a combination of the Nets choosing it, and it even being an option.
Meanwhile, Portland desperately needed a second pick this year haha.
I actually could see Sam Presti sniping Jaden Ivey as there's a case to be made that he has the most star potential of anyone in this draft and identifying future stars is what Presti has built his career on. But even if that happens, the choice is probably going to be Murry vs. Banchero or Murray vs. Holmgren. There's pos and cons with all three of them but ultimately it's not our choice anyway so why worry about it?
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Fair Analysis.
I like James. I sense him to be a real sharp and calm guy. He presents what he has to the public.
I imagine it is difficult to re-start your career after being let go.
I too remember Kozimor. But Jim was able to re-surface elsewhere after he was let go by the Kings. "From 2009-2011 Kozimor worked for Universal Sports and called triathlons and luge events."--I'd say tough times. And now he has found significant sucess on SF radio, tv, and the Olympics.
I hope the best for James. This is where your meddle gets tested in life. Recently, It was reported that Denzell said, "When you are on top, that's when the devil comes looking for you. And I really hope he has success in his most recent endeavor....keep writing.
Chupacabra
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Does he have experience as a player? College bball? Anything? If the answer is no, then why would anyone listen to him? If Vivek made the pick for us, would it be ok so long as he watched a lot of tape?
LPKingsFan
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Man, we need some news of workouts or something badly.
steelevt
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I mean you really have to know the game to find the similarities between Chet and…bjeli???
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