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Bricklayer
Don't Make Me Use The Bat
1) we liked Brooks back around the time he was drafted and had him on our draft list before he was taken. Notably the Rockets may NOT be in love with him, and there are some pretty good reasonas dor that, including he and Kevin being the smallest weakest backcourt in NBA history. He can score and shot the three, but what a chucker.
2) always always ALWAYS remember in any Ailene Voison article that there is an agenda. And that means that anything and everything goes in pursuit of that agenda, I'm not sure about outright lies under the guise of "sources said", but I have seen many many occasions where she intentionally deceives - clumps let's say an old rumor seasons ago about Brooks in with a new rumor about Teague, throws in a little speculation and a lot of agenda, and then graces it with the nobility of "source say" or "rumored to". Its rarely just the honest lie for her own personal glory either the way it is for an egoist like Vescey. With her its all about supporting her agenda, trying to get people talking abourt her agenda in hopes it will pressure management into following it. You just can never trust the information when she's the source.
2) always always ALWAYS remember in any Ailene Voison article that there is an agenda. And that means that anything and everything goes in pursuit of that agenda, I'm not sure about outright lies under the guise of "sources said", but I have seen many many occasions where she intentionally deceives - clumps let's say an old rumor seasons ago about Brooks in with a new rumor about Teague, throws in a little speculation and a lot of agenda, and then graces it with the nobility of "source say" or "rumored to". Its rarely just the honest lie for her own personal glory either the way it is for an egoist like Vescey. With her its all about supporting her agenda, trying to get people talking abourt her agenda in hopes it will pressure management into following it. You just can never trust the information when she's the source.
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nbaFan
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Kings Persuing Aaron Brooks
I like it, hoopshype.com
JT for Brooks
I like it, hoopshype.com
JT for Brooks
=LarryLegend=
Starter
Not supposed to link other websites, but Petrie has had a man crush on Brooks since we was drafted.
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LWP777
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The guy can flat out score. He shoots a great percentage from 3 point land and from the FT line -- both huge needs for us. I think he'd be a good fit. To the previous poster who suggested JT for Brooks. Won't ever happen. JT is a scrub. Brooks is a legitimate NBA player.
matthew76
Bench
The Rockets do need size though, with Yao unpredictable
For some reason, you are just dying to ship out all our bigs...
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nbaFan
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No Im not, JT and Landry are redundant, beside salaries have to match and JT for Brooks works. They both make 2mill. Besides JT fills a need for Hou if Yao is out and scola moves to 5. gotta give up something to get something and Brooks fills a glaring need. A Brooks Evans back court would be exciting to watch as he puts continuous pressure on the defense when he has the ball.
We have Tyreke. The question is, how can we make Tyreke most effective? To take two extreme options:
1) Play him as the PG. Get a big SG who is at least a threat from outside which forces teams with small PGs (most of them) to pick their poison. Make sure the ball is in Tyreke's hands most of the time, so that he initiates the offense - drives to the hole, drives and kicks, etc.
2) Play him as the SG. Get a small PG - traditional sized but with a score-first mentality. Only let Tyreke set up the offense half the time, the other half have him sitting on the perimeter as a three-point threat. Allow the defense to put their best and biggest perimeter defender on Tyreke and their PG on our small PG. (The "Aaron Brooks" option)
I think the "Aaron Brooks" option is by far not the most effective way to use Tyreke. I'm not even sure that it's better than the current situation. So I'm not really on board with getting Brooks if we have to give up anything of note.
1) Play him as the PG. Get a big SG who is at least a threat from outside which forces teams with small PGs (most of them) to pick their poison. Make sure the ball is in Tyreke's hands most of the time, so that he initiates the offense - drives to the hole, drives and kicks, etc.
2) Play him as the SG. Get a small PG - traditional sized but with a score-first mentality. Only let Tyreke set up the offense half the time, the other half have him sitting on the perimeter as a three-point threat. Allow the defense to put their best and biggest perimeter defender on Tyreke and their PG on our small PG. (The "Aaron Brooks" option)
I think the "Aaron Brooks" option is by far not the most effective way to use Tyreke. I'm not even sure that it's better than the current situation. So I'm not really on board with getting Brooks if we have to give up anything of note.
I'm not saying I would rule out this trade. I'm just saying that if you had your way we would be shipping out both Cousins and JT, and with Dally and Landry expiring in the summer, the only big we will have signed for next season is Whiteside...
If we are banking on Tyreke with his current skillset as the one who will take us to the promised land, then we are in for a pretty harsh reality check in the next few years. In order to Tyreke to live up to the expectations of all the Kings fans hoping for him to lead us to title contention, he NEEDS to learn how to play off the ball. He won't ever be Ray Allen, but he does need to develop a jumper that opposing teams will respect, and he needs to learn how to play off the ball, cut to the basket, use screens, etc.
Right now Tyreke's game is extremely one-dimensional. He needs to develop SG skills in order for this team to have offensive options other than the drive and kick with 4 players standing around. There is more to basketball than just size mismatches, otherwise players like Rondo, Westbrook, and Chris Paul wouldn't be having the career they are having. Sometimes you just have to play smart basketball. We are playing extremely dumb basketball, and a large part of it is Westphal's insistance on having Tyreke be the sole offense initiator.
bajaden
Hall of Famer
Just talked to JT and he told me he thinks your a scrub..
He has a career average of 35% over three years and last year he was at virtually 40% as he is so far this year....I don't consider anyone shooting 3's at a 40% clip to be a 'chucker'
They don't have to match. We are under the cap and can take on additional salary upwards to 14-15 million. With that said, it's to our benefit due to Houston being about 2.5-3 million over the Lux Tax threshold.
Jefferies, Brooks and Hayes for Thompson, Beno just might get a deal done if Houston continues to falter after Brooks gets back.
Wait until you see you THEY cited to get that reference. lol
Bricklayer
Don't Make Me Use The Bat
Anyone who routinely runs down court, and without making a single pass chucks up a three is a chucker. He's just a fairly accurate chucker.
bajaden
Hall of Famer
I'm not opposed to going out and getting a PG. Petrie, god love him, can't resist going after good offensive players. It probably pains him to watch Dalembert throw up clunkers at the basket, regardless of the defense he brings. Could the Kings use another good shooter? Yes! Do we need another good shooter at the expense of our defense, which is sole purpose of Dalembert? Good question.
I guess one could argue that hell, Beno can't play defense anyway, so if its a push defensively and we improve offensively, then why not? Well in my opinion, our offensive problems don't have as much to do with bad shooting, as they do with not running anything that resembles an offense. Now if you can solve both problems with one player, I'm on board.
There's nothing wrong with this offense that Steve Nash couldn't fix. And don't get me wrong, Nash can score the basketball. Its just that scoring the basketball is like number 10 on his list of things to do when he's on the court. And still he gets his points.
If were going to go after a PG, then go after one that will make his teammates better. Get them the ball at the spot, where and when they need it. Get someone that knows how to run the pick and roll properly, and with the intention of getting the ball to his teammate first, if open, and taking his own shot second. I'm even willing to sacrifice a little defense if you can get me someone with just 75% of Nash's ability.
So does Brooks fit that description? To my mind he doesn't. I certainly wouldn't mind having him on the team, but to be honest, I lost my lust for diminutive PG's shortly after Spud Webb departed. They can be fun to watch though. I don't happen to be a big fan of Quarterbacks that are 6' or under either, unless they're named Joe Montana.
Here's an idea. Why not go after someone like Jose Calderon. His downside is his age, at 29, and his salary which is 9 mil a year with two more years after this year. His upside is that he's a good shooter, but doesn't look for his own shot first. His lifetime FGA is 49.2% and his 3 pt average is 38.6%. Both of which are very good. He's a pass first PG that averages 6.5 assists to 1.6 turnovers a game for his career. Thats an outstanding assist to turnover average. He's an experienced pt guard that could also mentor Tyreke for the next couple of years.
Trading both Thompson and Beno for Calderon works on trade checker. Calderon has good size at 6'3" and while he isn't a lock down defender, is a better defender than Beno is. Anyway, just my thoughts on the matter.
I guess one could argue that hell, Beno can't play defense anyway, so if its a push defensively and we improve offensively, then why not? Well in my opinion, our offensive problems don't have as much to do with bad shooting, as they do with not running anything that resembles an offense. Now if you can solve both problems with one player, I'm on board.
There's nothing wrong with this offense that Steve Nash couldn't fix. And don't get me wrong, Nash can score the basketball. Its just that scoring the basketball is like number 10 on his list of things to do when he's on the court. And still he gets his points.
If were going to go after a PG, then go after one that will make his teammates better. Get them the ball at the spot, where and when they need it. Get someone that knows how to run the pick and roll properly, and with the intention of getting the ball to his teammate first, if open, and taking his own shot second. I'm even willing to sacrifice a little defense if you can get me someone with just 75% of Nash's ability.
So does Brooks fit that description? To my mind he doesn't. I certainly wouldn't mind having him on the team, but to be honest, I lost my lust for diminutive PG's shortly after Spud Webb departed. They can be fun to watch though. I don't happen to be a big fan of Quarterbacks that are 6' or under either, unless they're named Joe Montana.
Here's an idea. Why not go after someone like Jose Calderon. His downside is his age, at 29, and his salary which is 9 mil a year with two more years after this year. His upside is that he's a good shooter, but doesn't look for his own shot first. His lifetime FGA is 49.2% and his 3 pt average is 38.6%. Both of which are very good. He's a pass first PG that averages 6.5 assists to 1.6 turnovers a game for his career. Thats an outstanding assist to turnover average. He's an experienced pt guard that could also mentor Tyreke for the next couple of years.
Trading both Thompson and Beno for Calderon works on trade checker. Calderon has good size at 6'3" and while he isn't a lock down defender, is a better defender than Beno is. Anyway, just my thoughts on the matter.
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gunks
Hall of Famer
From what I've heard, Calderon makes Beno look like Payton on D. Its that bad.
I once thought Calderon would work on the Kings, because he does have nice assist numbers. I checked out some Raptors forums (this was a awhile ago, maybe a year and a half) and they all hated him. Said his D was completely non existant, and that a lot of his assists were really easy ones that had no impact on the game (this complaint doesnt make much sense to me though - our team is so bad at passing, I'd love a player that makes assists look like gimmes!)
I mean, it probably wouldnt hurt. I just dont know how much better it would make us.
I really dont know WTF is up with our offense though. Its at that point where I feel like we could get Steve Nash or CP3, and Westphal's "system" would make them look like garbage.
I predict we ship off some piece of our young core because people will feel something has to change and it will work for 1-3 games and then we will all realize we still don't run an offense and we will be in the same boat. And that piece we ship off (Likely JT) will flourish if given minutes.
I still maintain we have all the pieces we needed to hit close to 500 this year already on the roster but we fail in execution and bringing in anything short of one of the best penetrating pure pgs in the league will fail to fix it. The worse the offensive playbook the better pure pg you need to make it work.
I still maintain we have all the pieces we needed to hit close to 500 this year already on the roster but we fail in execution and bringing in anything short of one of the best penetrating pure pgs in the league will fail to fix it. The worse the offensive playbook the better pure pg you need to make it work.
MassachusettsKingsFan
All-Star
Any trade that has us getting a middle of the pack offensive minded PG just doesn't seem worth it to
Me.
I think Beno is a better team player than Brooks. Brooks is good on a team like Houston, but we already have too many guys who think they should be shooting every time they touch the ball. Is it worth it to lose JT AND Udrih for Brooks or Calderon? Considering how close in talent I see all three guards, I just dont think its worth losing Thompson. Let's not forget after this season the only bigs under contract are Whiteside, Cousins, and Thompson. I'm not ready to throw him away in a deal that seems more like a sideways move than positive move. Just my opinion of course.
Me.
I think Beno is a better team player than Brooks. Brooks is good on a team like Houston, but we already have too many guys who think they should be shooting every time they touch the ball. Is it worth it to lose JT AND Udrih for Brooks or Calderon? Considering how close in talent I see all three guards, I just dont think its worth losing Thompson. Let's not forget after this season the only bigs under contract are Whiteside, Cousins, and Thompson. I'm not ready to throw him away in a deal that seems more like a sideways move than positive move. Just my opinion of course.
Well sign me up for them accurate chucker's because shooting 40% from downtown is the equivalent of shooting 60% from 2 point range.
What upper-level tiered PG should we/could we target then? I think Brooks is the best of the bunch that's potentially available.
lol. they must do each other favors.
Sounds like Ailene would fit right in and be a hit on this venue. Also she sounds just like you'd expect a sports columnist to be. I'll pay more attention.
Aaron Brooks can shoot and he's really fast but if we're going to constantly complain about Tyreke not being a true PG and not knowing how to run an offense, which most of the people who want us to bring in another PG are, than why would you want Aaron Brooks? He's at best a slightly better playmaker than Tyreke. He's also a defensive liability. It just sounds like "grass is greener" talk to me. Put Aaron Brooks in a Kings uniform and I'd give it two or three games before the complaints start coming out. Maybe a little longer for pride's sake.
Ailene is not very fond of Tyreke and/or she'd prefer a different PG -- we know this because she says so at every opportunity. We need to draft a PG, we need to trade for a PG, we need to draw up some more plays for Beno and Head (it's curious that Tyreke wasn't quoted in that article, no?). Ailene also wanted Ricky Rubio, more minutes for Hawes, and more touches for Peja. She doesn't say it directly, she just writes with such an obvious bias that her opinion comes across as if she'd directly said it. What we need to do right now is not listen to every panicked trade proposal that comes up and let our young players have a chance to actually develop.
Ailene is not very fond of Tyreke and/or she'd prefer a different PG -- we know this because she says so at every opportunity. We need to draft a PG, we need to trade for a PG, we need to draw up some more plays for Beno and Head (it's curious that Tyreke wasn't quoted in that article, no?). Ailene also wanted Ricky Rubio, more minutes for Hawes, and more touches for Peja. She doesn't say it directly, she just writes with such an obvious bias that her opinion comes across as if she'd directly said it. What we need to do right now is not listen to every panicked trade proposal that comes up and let our young players have a chance to actually develop.
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