Kings Offer Contract to George Karl

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Lol. I'm talking about a specific old girls high school basketball coach (the one that vivek coached against)

Vivek never coached high school. It was 7th grade. 7th. A high school coach (league dependent) would easily have the horses to break a full court press with consistency.

Sorry, this is a tender subject for me, as taking advantage of 12 year olds is unacceptable. It tells me you don't really care about the game and don't know enough to coach the entire court.

You're banking on scheming against teams lacking the physical ability to make the correct pass. There's no glory to be had there. Play it straight up.

Rant over... for now, because I could go on for hours.
(Not against you, just Vivek, who technically brought in someone else to coach the actual press principles. Read the article in the New Yorker.)
 
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1) signed DMC to long-term deal.
2)traded average players for Rudy Gay.
3) Signed Rudy Gay to long-term, more reasonable deal.
4) Fired an average coach for a well above average, former coach of the year (if this does indeed happen)

and yes

5) We are getting a new, downtown arena.

Complain and insult the FO all you want - I am pretty impressed with #1 - #5.

Now we just need back-court players and then finally a winning team.

You're missing the fact that the FO unnecessarily trashed the season with no plan in place. The team was playing its best basketball in many years. The Kings were winning. None of the 1-5 that you've mentioned are as important as winning. Afterall, the goal of any game is to win. To give the FO a pass on destroying an important season by pointing out things that are secondary to winning just makes you sound stubborn. Stubborn and wrong. To include everyone that clicked the like button.
 
1) signed DMC to long-term deal.
No brainer for most of us here.
2)traded average players for Rudy Gay.
Good move.
3) Signed Rudy Gay to long-term, more reasonable deal.
Under false pretenses, not so good.
4) Fired an average coach for a well above average, former coach of the year (if this does indeed happen)
Originally not in the cards. Fan revolt, player revolt, STH revolt forced the hand of the FO. Make no bones about it, they were prepared to hold until someone like Mullin was going to take over before the crapstorm happened.
5) We are getting a new, downtown arena.
ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO DO WITH THE DAY TO DAY OPERATIONS REGARDING THE TEAM.

Overall:
It's ok that you are impressed with the above, but understand that there are good reasons for why we aren't.

This has been sloppy, and unprofessional. We should expect better from those in charge.
 
It's actually an interesting dynamic that the ownership and FO who billed themselves as tech savvy and even tech pioneers in what they'd bring to the NBA, have used the internet and social media in a worse manner which has been more detrimental to their cause than any FO and ownership group I can remember.

It's almost like the internet and social media is new to them and they're just figuring it out, completely naive to the damage it can cause with constant leaks and incompetent/foolish statements which will obviously become the subjects of discussion online. Causing so much backlash that Vivek and his assistant felt the need to block numerous fans on twitter and couldn't deal with them is quite ironic given what they represent in the tech sector.

I hate to be so consistent with myself but the subtleties of using social media comes 2nd to knowing how to deal with real live human beings. For instance, when they noted Cousins was caught in a bind that had nothing to do with anything he did, they could have tweeted something. The savvy people were his agents who tweeted that neither they nor Cousins had any objection to Karl. His agents tried to get him out of the middle of things but so could the owner or PDA. They were busy with their own flustercluck.

Cousin was ripped apart. Anyone near the team could see that I presume. Let's start with his post game interview Monday. I don't know what interested people on the forum about it but it hit me, athiest me, that it was a guy clinging to his Christian beliefs to make it through what I presume was a personal hell. Whether he should have been more mature and got himself out of it or not taken everything so personally is not the issue. He is who he is and needs to be dealt with that way..
 
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It's actually an interesting dynamic that the ownership and FO who billed themselves as tech savvy and even tech pioneers in what they'd bring to the NBA, have used the internet and social media in a worse manner which has been more detrimental to their cause than any FO and ownership group I can remember.

It's almost like the internet and social media is new to them and they're just figuring it out, completely naive to the damage it can cause with constant leaks and incompetent/foolish statements which will obviously become the subjects of discussion online. Causing so much backlash that Vivek and his assistant felt the need to block numerous fans on twitter and couldn't deal with them is quite ironic given what they represent in the tech sector.
They understand the tech, hell they worship it. Their problem is pure and simple PR competence. They confuse using social media with using it wisely. This is a case study of how to mismanage messaging and public perception. Just because you CAN tweet cryptic messages does NOT you should. Just because you can leak stories to the press that does not mean you should, or that when you do you should not have a professional wordsmith craft your message. Now that is not to say that situation was good and the message bad, no matter how you sliced it the PR guru would have to make this SNAFU look like something it isn't but when the people in charge act like clowns it is the PR departments job to either move every one over to the side show to see the bearded lady or at least turn out the lights, not to use twitter and leaks to pass out more grease paint.
 
It really is hilarious. The hate is real. We get it, Vivek this PDA That.

Some of you need to really take a deep breath and find a new hobby.
 
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It really is hilarious. The hate is real. We get it, Vivek this PDA That.

Some of you need to really take a deep breath and find a new hobby.



I agree that most of the posters here are high strung and stuff, but it doesn't help that this front office are dumber than a bag of rocks when it comes to running a basketball team.
 
It really is hilarious. The hate is real. We get it, Vivek this PDA That.

Some of you need to really take a deep breath and find a new hobby.
For some people, they have a tremendous investment in this team. Not just emotional, but financial as well.

Maybe its just a hobby to you, but its more to a lot of others. I'm glad you're so carefree about the situation, but dont tell others how they should react.
 
It really is hilarious. The hate is real. We get it, Vivek this PDA That.

Some of you need to really take a deep breath and find a new hobby.
Yes, some people do.:rolleyes:

Honestly, and this isn't directed at anyone in particular, but if you don't like the speculative topics, then don't comment.

Dropping in with snarky comments that don't attempt to advance the discussion waste everyone's time and detract from those actually trying to sort things out.
 
Yes, some people do.:rolleyes:

Honestly, and this isn't directed at anyone in particular, but if you don't like the speculative topics, then don't comment.

Dropping in with snarky comments that don't attempt to advance the discussion waste everyone's time and detract from those actually trying to sort things out.

Yes I completely agree. There are enough threads available for those that crave the urge to continuously bash our owner(s) and FO. There's no need to guide this thread down that same path.
 
Honestly, if the news of the Boogie desires for Jackson are true, then I'm glad the FO has made the decision to go against those wishes. All the players loved Mark Jackson on GS too. Steph (their franchise player) was vocal about how much he disliked the move. And now? They're playing the best basketball ever. It's widely regarded as a fantastic move. MJ is a good player's coach. But he's not a good COACH. That's the difference.

I think Karl is going to push Boogie. Just like he pushed Gary Payton, Iverson, and Melo. All of those players have had praise for Karl despite their tiffs with him. This is where we'll see if Boogie has really grown up and can move to the superstar level we know he can be at.
 
Yes I completely agree. There are enough threads available for those that crave the urge to continuously bash our owner(s) and FO. There's no need to guide this thread down that same path.

Honestly I started this season praising D'Alessandro. To me it seemed he put together a roster perfectly suited for Malone's style of play. I told him that at KHTK - what I seemed to be seeing was a coach and a GM that were on the same page and building something with some promise. I WANT to have good things to say about my favorite teams' owner and GM.

But there's no denying that this team has been horribly managed since December 15th. I don't hate PDA or Ranadive. I don't even know them. But as a collective they have done a lot that is worthy of criticism. It's hard to even give them a lot of credit for hiring George Karl for a number of reasons:
(1) Karl is a definitely a better/more accomplished coach than Malone but Malone had buy in from his players, Cousins in particular
(2) They completely torpedoed the season instead of hiring him immediately
(3) All of the good things Malone had started to instill evaporated and the team and players fell back into old habits
(4) Cousins looks like he wants out.

I don't want to hold grudges. And I want to be able to credit D'Alessandro and Ranadive for building a winning Kings team. Or at the very least one that competes every night. They did that once and then blew the thing apart. I'll praise them again when they deserve it. I'm honestly not a person that likes complaining. I want to be cheering.
 
Oh Gabriel, you brought this on yourself.

In your own words.

"At that rate, I am more than glad that Malone has made his exit. Sometimes I wonder if people actually know basketball. In today's game, especially in the Western Conference, EVERY game matters. Literally. You can't have this "Well he's only costed us two games so far" mentality."

You were in favor of firing Malone when almost no one else was. And now you don't want anyone talking about it? Cmon man.

Also, you were proudly and loudly in favor of Corbin.

"I have been calling for weeks now for Corbin to be given the head coaching position. I loved the way he closed out the game when Malone was kicked out."

You also gave Malone no credit and said it was all the players.

"You are missing the point. This team was winning mainly due to Cousins' emergence and a solid core of guys in Darren Collison and Rudy Gay, not Mike Malone."

Go on....

"You're asking me to explain why firing Malone was a mistake. If you're really a fan of this team, and you've watched every game as I have, you'll know what I'm talking about. This team, even without Cousins, should have a better record. They've dropped too many close games in which substitution patterns and rotations have had a substantial effect. Point blank, the man hasn't coached up to expectations, which undoubtedly so, are very high for this ownership group. That, along with presumably a series of events behind the scenes that we don't see, is the reason he's gone."

"If your coach is the reason why you've given up more than 1 game this season, do something about it. "

You have pages of this stuff bro. Pages. Wrong every time. So when you tell everyone to relax, trust them, it just doesn't carry any weight. This isn't personal, I just want that to be clear. You can have your opinions, and it's fine. But you've been wrong. Clearly, I am too from time to time. But I certainly never was for firing Malone and hiring corbin. And you were. Emphatically.
 
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Yes I completely agree. There are enough threads available for those that crave the urge to continuously bash our owner(s) and FO. There's no need to guide this thread down that same path.
Um...you understand that the title of the thread is about the Kings FO offering Karl the job...50% of the parties involved ARE the FO... so are we to only discuss Karl? or only voice our thoughts if we want to praise the FO?
 
Oh Gabriel, you brought this on yourself.

In your own words.

"At that rate, I am more than glad that Malone has made his exit. Sometimes I wonder if people actually know basketball. In today's game, especially in the Western Conference, EVERY game matters. Literally. You can't have this "Well he's only costed us two games so far" mentality."

You were in favor of firing Malone when almost no one else was. And now you don't want anyone talking about it? Cmon man.

Also, you were proudly and loudly in favor of Corbin.

"I have been calling for weeks now for Corbin to be given the head coaching position. I loved the way he closed out the game when Malone was kicked out."

You also gave Malone no credit and said it was all the players.

"You are missing the point. This team was winning mainly due to Cousins' emergence and a solid core of guys in Darren Collison and Rudy Gay, not Mike Malone."

Go on....

"You're asking me to explain why firing Malone was a mistake. If you're really a fan of this team, and you've watched every game as I have, you'll know what I'm talking about. This team, even without Cousins, should have a better record. They've dropped too many close games in which substitution patterns and rotations have had a substantial effect. Point blank, the man hasn't coached up to expectations, which undoubtedly so, are very high for this ownership group. That, along with presumably a series of events behind the scenes that we don't see, is the reason he's gone."

You have pages of this stuff bro. Pages. Wrong every time. So when you tell everyone to relax, trust them, it just doesn't carry any weight. This isn't personal, I just want that to be clear. You can have your opinions, and it's fine. But you've been wrong. Clearly, I am too from time to time. But I certainly never was for firing Malone and hiring corbin. And you were. Emphatically.

There's no doubt about it, I'll be the first to admit when I'm wrong.

The Malone Firing
• I will stand behind this decision and ultimately in my opinion it has proven to be successful, although it has costed us this season for the most part. The effects of this move were not instantaneous, however, with the hiring of George Karl, our future is bright. Fans are quick to forget why there were a number of people that were not against the move. The final seconds of the Memphis game, in which coming out of a timeout, in a situation where there is only enough time on the clock for a tip in, Mike Malone inexplicably directs our team in what seemed to be a free throw line defensive formation. He was not the answer for this team long term. We now have a coach with over 1,000 wins under his belt who knows how to win. This decision, in the end, was justified.

Ty Corbin being declared replacement
• I was flat out wrong on this one. I did not expect for things to get this bad with coach Corbin at the healm. Honestly, not all of the blame is on him, however, our season has been in full freefall mode since he took over as head coach.

As Kings fans, we all need to be behind this front office. Let our voices be heard and our cries responded to. We played a major role in why the team was able to remain in my beloved city of Sacramento. Everyone makes mistakes, but it's time we rally behind PDA-Vivek and Co' and build towards a winning ball club. May I remind you that there is a new state-of-the-art arena being built in the very heart of our town! Let's go KINGS.

#HereWeROAR
 
Honestly, if the news of the Boogie desires for Jackson are true, then I'm glad the FO has made the decision to go against those wishes. All the players loved Mark Jackson on GS too. Steph (their franchise player) was vocal about how much he disliked the move. And now? They're playing the best basketball ever. It's widely regarded as a fantastic move. MJ is a good player's coach. But he's not a good COACH. That's the difference.

I think Karl is going to push Boogie. Just like he pushed Gary Payton, Iverson, and Melo. All of those players have had praise for Karl despite their tiffs with him. This is where we'll see if Boogie has really grown up and can move to the superstar level we know he can be at.


Agree.... Karl is proven.. Boogie will be on board once the wins start piling up and once he realizes what a good coach can do.
 
There's no doubt about it, I'll be the first to admit when I'm wrong.

The Malone Firing
• I will stand behind this decision and ultimately in my opinion it has proven to be successful, although it has costed us this season for the most part. The effects of this move were not instantaneous, however, with the hiring of George Karl, our future is bright. Fans are quick to forget why there were a number of people that were not against the move. The final seconds of the Memphis game, in which coming out of a timeout, in a situation where there is only enough time on the clock for a tip in, Mike Malone inexplicably directs our team in what seemed to be a free throw line defensive formation. He was not the answer for this team long term. We now have a coach with over 1,000 wins under his belt who knows how to win. This decision, in the end, was justified.

Ty Corbin being declared replacement
• I was flat out wrong on this one. I did not expect for things to get this bad with coach Corbin at the healm. Honestly, not all of the blame is on him, however, our season has been in full freefall mode since he took over as head coach.

As Kings fans, we all need to be behind this front office. Let our voices be heard and our cries responded to. We played a major role in why the team was able to remain in my beloved city of Sacramento. Everyone makes mistakes, but it's time we rally behind PDA-Vivek and Co' and build towards a winning ball club. May I remind you that there is a new state-of-the-art arena being built in the very heart of our town! Let's go KINGS.

#HereWeROAR
I really think you might be PDA...

I cannot for a second say that Malone's firing was "successful". It cost us an entire season. What was building to be a magical season, with the fans rallying behind a ramped up DMC has turned into a hopeless season. Becuase of that firing, Boogie has to receive blame by our FO and release statements to defend himself, Gay has given up, as has the rest of the team. I've never seen fans this angry. They boo the team, they leave midgame, those at home turn it off after a quarter. Ticket sales declining, STH not renewing. Yes, we somehow came out of this with George Karl, but Mr. Karl was available last off season, and woudl have been available this off season. You either fire Malone last off season, or you keep him this year and fire him this upcoming off season. Malones fire was a disaster.

And we need to be behind this front office? We were! And they flushed it away. If we sit there and blindly support everything they do, how will "our voices be heard and our cries responded to?" No, they need to hear just how badly they've done and just how loudly we disagree with them. This season has been a total disaster.
 
There's no doubt about it, I'll be the first to admit when I'm wrong.

The Malone Firing
• I will stand behind this decision and ultimately in my opinion it has proven to be successful, although it has costed us this season for the most part. The effects of this move were not instantaneous, however, with the hiring of George Karl, our future is bright. Fans are quick to forget why there were a number of people that were not against the move. The final seconds of the Memphis game, in which coming out of a timeout, in a situation where there is only enough time on the clock for a tip in, Mike Malone inexplicably directs our team in what seemed to be a free throw line defensive formation. He was not the answer for this team long term. We now have a coach with over 1,000 wins under his belt who knows how to win. This decision, in the end, was justified.

Ty Corbin being declared replacement
• I was flat out wrong on this one. I did not expect for things to get this bad with coach Corbin at the healm. Honestly, not all of the blame is on him, however, our season has been in full freefall mode since he took over as head coach.

As Kings fans, we all need to be behind this front office. Let our voices be heard and our cries responded to. We played a major role in why the team was able to remain in my beloved city of Sacramento. Everyone makes mistakes, but it's time we rally behind PDA-Vivek and Co' and build towards a winning ball club. May I remind you that there is a new state-of-the-art arena being built in the very heart of our town! Let's go KINGS.

#HereWeROAR

#HereWeConfuse
 
There's no doubt about it, I'll be the first to admit when I'm wrong.

The Malone Firing
• I will stand behind this decision and ultimately in my opinion it has proven to be successful, although it has costed us this season for the most part. The effects of this move were not instantaneous, however, with the hiring of George Karl, our future is bright. Fans are quick to forget why there were a number of people that were not against the move. The final seconds of the Memphis game, in which coming out of a timeout, in a situation where there is only enough time on the clock for a tip in, Mike Malone inexplicably directs our team in what seemed to be a free throw line defensive formation. He was not the answer for this team long term. We now have a coach with over 1,000 wins under his belt who knows how to win. This decision, in the end, was justified.

Ty Corbin being declared replacement
• I was flat out wrong on this one. I did not expect for things to get this bad with coach Corbin at the healm. Honestly, not all of the blame is on him, however, our season has been in full freefall mode since he took over as head coach.

As Kings fans, we all need to be behind this front office. Let our voices be heard and our cries responded to. We played a major role in why the team was able to remain in my beloved city of Sacramento. Everyone makes mistakes, but it's time we rally behind PDA-Vivek and Co' and build towards a winning ball club. May I remind you that there is a new state-of-the-art arena being built in the very heart of our town! Let's go KINGS.

#HereWeROAR
Sorry amigo you can't have it both ways. If the coach and his decisions are fair game for criticism and ultimately we are free to call for his firing for the good of the team, then the same HAS to be true for anyone in the FO ESPECIALLY the GM. And yes even the ownership is fair game for criticism if we believe they are making sophomore mistakes that are hurting the team.
 
I really think you might be PDA...

I cannot for a second say that Malone's firing was "successful". It cost us an entire season. What was building to be a magical season, with the fans rallying behind a ramped up DMC has turned into a hopeless season. Becuase of that firing, Boogie has to receive blame by our FO and release statements to defend himself, Gay has given up, as has the rest of the team. I've never seen fans this angry. They boo the team, they leave midgame, those at home turn it off after a quarter. Ticket sales declining, STH not renewing. Yes, we somehow came out of this with George Karl, but Mr. Karl was available last off season, and woudl have been available this off season. You either fire Malone last off season, or you keep him this year and fire him this upcoming off season. Malones fire was a disaster.

And we need to be behind this front office? We were! And they flushed it away. If we sit there and blindly support everything they do, how will "our voices be heard and our cries responded to?" No, they need to hear just how badly they've done and just how loudly we disagree with them. This season has been a total disaster.
I would go even farther and say that the Karl hiring was largely due to the vocal fan criticism, reluctance of STH to renew and flat lined ticket sales. In short the fans metaphorically put a gun to ownership's head to fix the mess caused by firing Malone.
 
I would go even farther and say that the Karl hiring was largely due to the vocal fan criticism, reluctance of STH to renew and flat lined ticket sales. In short the fans metaphorically put a gun to ownership's head to fix the mess caused by firing Malone.

I would disagree to an extent. I firmly believe that the intentions of our FO all along included replacing Mike Malone with an experienced top-tier Coach like George Karl. Our team losing so many games as well as our fans calling for the move played a significant part, however, in the timing of the pursuit.
 
The Malone Firing
The final seconds of the Memphis game, in which coming out of a timeout, in a situation where there is only enough time on the clock for a tip in, Mike Malone inexplicably directs our team in what seemed to be a free throw line defensive formation.
And yet, the only reason that basket counted was because given the fact that there was only enough time for a tip in, the player not only caught the ball, but possessed it enough to redirect it towards the basket. Of all the games, you picked the worst example you possibly could have.

He was not the answer for this team long term. We now have a coach with over 1,000 wins under his belt who knows how to win. This decision, in the end, was justified.

Here's the thing. Malone very well could have been the answer long term. It's OK if you can't see the growth, but it was certainly there, and there was certainly an upwards trajectory built around defense, you know, the kind that wins in the postseason. Investing for a long term solution means not giving up after 24 games of what you (the FO) considers "a good enough roster". It means you take a season by season approach, unless things go Corbin.

Karl given his age, is not the long term solution. He's a guy you hire to hopefully get you to "the next level". Malone was certainly getting us to the first level, which is playing confidently and as a team. Would I have been surprised if at the end of this year the FO says, "well, we think this roster is ready to take the next level, and we're bringing in a coach to do so"? Probably a little, but it's also possible that Malone would have had this team fighting for a playoff spot, thereby earning the potential to be "the long term solution."

Finally, you can't say, "my opinion has been proven to be successful, if it costed [sic] us the season." Throwing away progress isn't successful. Bottoming out isn't successful. The fact that the FO caved (probably to STH - way to go guys, btw!) does not at all bail you out regarding your opinion.

When millions die in a war, you don't call it a success if you win. A success would have been to avoid the conflict in the first place. Just take your lumps on this one and move on, and it's very likely that we all will do the same. I know I will.
 
And yet, the only reason that basket counted was because given the fact that there was only enough time for a tip in, the player not only caught the ball, but possessed it enough to redirect it towards the basket. Of all the games, you picked the worst example you possibly could have.

We will have to agree to disagree on this one.

All you have to do in that position is have five guys literally form a ring around the basket and their chances of making a shot under the .3 or seconds become DRASTICALLY worse. We let a Grizzly literally catch the ball under the basketball due to our defensive scheme on that particular play and there is no way that doesn't fall back on the coach.
 
We will have to agree to disagree on this one.

All you have to do in that position is have five guys literally form a ring around the basket and their chances of making a shot under the .3 or seconds become DRASTICALLY worse. We let a Grizzly literally catch the ball under the basketball due to our defensive scheme on that particular play and there is no way that doesn't fall back on the coach.

Just so I'm clear:

A couple losses partly "due" to coaching decisions= We should fire the coach!

Twenty losses more than partly due to the FO=What a great plan, let's give them our support!

Makes sense.
 
We will have to agree to disagree on this one.

All you have to do in that position is have five guys literally form a ring around the basket and their chances of making a shot under the .3 or seconds become DRASTICALLY worse. We let a Grizzly literally catch the ball under the basketball due to our defensive scheme on that particular play and there is no way that doesn't fall back on the coach.

Here's the complete flaw in this line of logic though. You said at the time that any coach that cost you even one win needed to be fired. But now you're okay with a front office/ownership group that cost the team an entire season?

EDIT: Ninja'd by sdballer but obviously I agree.
 
We will have to agree to disagree on this one.

All you have to do in that position is have five guys literally form a ring around the basket and their chances of making a shot under the .3 or seconds become DRASTICALLY worse. We let a Grizzly literally catch the ball under the basketball due to our defensive scheme on that particular play and there is no way that doesn't fall back on the coach.

Which is more than 0.3 seconds. You're right, we'll agree to disagree. Let the Karl era (hopefully) begin. After the Milwaukee game, of course.
 
We will have to agree to disagree on this one.

All you have to do in that position is have five guys literally form a ring around the basket and their chances of making a shot under the .3 or seconds become DRASTICALLY worse. We let a Grizzly literally catch the ball under the basketball due to our defensive scheme on that particular play and there is no way that doesn't fall back on the coach.
I'd love to see DeMarcus's reaction if he were told thats why Malone was fired and thats why he is in the situation he is in now.

We can talk all day about what happened in that Grizzlies game and what should have happened, but it does not justify what has happened to our team since. The ONLY difference on our team since then has been the firing of Malone. We keep Malone, we keep fighting for a potential 8 seed. Now, we're here.
 
Which is more than 0.3 seconds. You're right, we'll agree to disagree. Let the Karl era (hopefully) begin. After the Milwaukee game, of course.

Yes! That basket should have never been counted technically speaking, but it did. Regardless, you don't put your team in that position coming our of a time-out.

But yes, I cannot wait for this new era of Kings basketball under the helm of George Karl.
 
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