Kings Offer Contract to George Karl

[Glenn]

After owner Vivek Ranadive insisted on the firing of Michael Malone – against the wishes of his front office, sources said – the Kings struggled under Corbin and turned toward Karl in the past few days.

That right there tells me whoever is the mole leaking to Woj represents the split in this FO as well as an opposing faction. Whoever was Voison's source stated PDA and Mullin flew to Vegas and campaigned for the firing of Malone. Now we're supposed to believe the FO was against it? No, there's at least two sides working against one another and leaking to the media. Vivek needs to grab a hold of his balls and get a hold on upper management. It's chaotic. We need some leadership, Vivek.

We appear to have one side leaking to Woj and Amick, the other leaking to Voison and Bruski. Where Dave falls I don't know.

As I said, hiring Karl helps in some areas but we've still got a war going on in our FO which will ultimately play itself out over the next however many months. Hopefully months, not years.

Ultimately Vivek is responsible for everything. There definitely two different stories about who wanted to fire Malone. I could guess, I suppose. This is getting very odd and I hope at some point it settles down and the Kings are ok.

 

[rhythmless]

"After owner Vivek Ranadive insisted on the firing of Michael Malone – against the wishes of his front office, sources said – the Kings struggled under Corbin and turned toward Karl in the past few days."

That's interesting. Haven't heard this relative bombshell before. Means Vivek hired Malone and then fired Malone - not PDA. Does this change way many of us have viewed PDA - if true, I'd say definitely yes. The saga continues.

I've said all along it was Vivek's call and PDA was just a mouthpiece/puppet. His complicity comes from the fact that he has no other options if he was to stand his ground. Which is exactly why Vivek keeps him.

 

[Livinthedream]

I don't understand all this Corbin sympathy. He was paid a lot of money to coach. He may be a very nice man and a professional, but although he came in under horrible circumstances, he still failed to step up and at least do an adequate job (if nothing else showcasing his skills for other teams). If I performed at his level of competence at my job I would be gone too.

I see this money thing come up a lot, so my response is not solely directed at you. But money is money. Having it, doesn't automatically make you immune to all emotion and make you infinitely happy. It's all relative. Corbin is grateful for his paycheck, but his job is still difficult and would be an even worse situation if he were walking around saying "I don't care what happens. At least I got paid!" That's the attitude some people think some of these fired coaches should have. But to tell the truth, if money was the only driving factor, they wouldn't have made it this far in the NBA. People get paid high wages because of the work they earns them that paycheck. But that paycheck doesn't mean they give up their right to want a good work environment.

 

[SacKings384]

I see this money thing come up a lot, so my response is not solely directed at you. But money is money. Having it, doesn't automatically make you immune to all emotion and make you infinitely happy. It's all relative. Corbin is grateful for his paycheck, but his job is still difficult and would be an even worse situation if he were walking around saying "I don't care what happens. At least I got paid!" That's the attitude some people think some of these fired coaches should have. But to tell the truth, if money was the only driving factor, they wouldn't have made it this far in the NBA. People get paid high wages because of the work they earns them that paycheck. But that paycheck doesn't mean they give up their right to want a good work environment.

Corbin knew he was a lame-duck lets be real. But he was 6-20 with us. I mean that's pretty pathetic. He's a good assistant coach. Just like Gentry.

 

[Glenn]

Ugh......

Vivek....Go away.

You can still be the owner but just....Go away.



What a ******* egoist, arrogant, clueless dipshoot *** ****** ***** **** $#^&*^$*#^@^*#@^&@*#&^$#*^$#&^#$*())@(# ! of an owner.

Go away Vivek...You suck. You are really, really, really horrible.




(in case y'all didn't notice....I really hate Vivek)

He can't go away unless he choses to or unless the other owners have the right to dislodge him. I think it is best we all cross our fingers and hope he wises up. Just a personal guess is that he is just so damn arrogant he may not get it. To pump up my morale, I'd like him to unload his lapdog, Mullin, who no doubt has a huge impact.

 

[Peter_Gibbons]

Unreal so that fool Vivek is the one who ordered the hit on malone. **** that guy.

I've always said, Vivek is the one that writes the check. No matter what Pete wants, if Vivek does approve, it never gets done. Pete is a yes man and the Malone hiring was from Vivek. Malone likely said no to playing certain players more minutes, no to Josh Smith and didn't want to change his offensive style. Vivek's ego took over and Malone was gone.

 

[Livinthedream]

Jason Jones @mr_jasonjones
Apparently some folks are turned off at what they see as Karl's social media campaigning for the job.

LOL. Maybe they should worry about campaigning for their own jobs. Some aren't doing so well right now and I'm sure Karl taking the reigns might make them nervous.

 

[whozit]

"After owner Vivek Ranadive insisted on the firing of Michael Malone – against the wishes of his front office, sources said – the Kings struggled under Corbin and turned toward Karl in the past few days."

That's interesting. Haven't heard this relative bombshell before. Means Vivek hired Malone and then fired Malone - not PDA. Does this change way many of us have viewed PDA - if true, I'd say definitely yes. The saga continues.

No. This doesn't pass the smell test. Is Vivek falling on the sword to make his front office look better. They are operating out of weakness at the moment. A rookie owner making impatient mistakes or an incompetent FO? The latter still makes him look bad, so ...................

Too many conflicting reports. Too many agendas.

 

[rainmaker]

Ultimately Vivek is responsible for everything. There definitely two different stories about who wanted to fire Malone. I could guess, I suppose. This is getting very odd and I hope at some point it settles down and the Kings are ok.

Karl should provide some cover and shield the team from some of the incompetence and disarray, but I still see chaos running through our FO since all signs point to a faction within the FO not backing this Karl hiring. How that plays out is anyone's guess but if it filters into player personnel decisions and the direction of this roster, also style of play, the chaos will continue.

One problem the side who didn't want Karl may have is he's extremely outspoken. I actually expect the division in our organization to polarize and get worse.

 

[gunks]

He can't go away unless he choses to or unless the other owners have the right to dislodge him. I think it is best we all cross our fingers and hope he wises up. Just a personal guess is that he is just so damn arrogant he may not get it. To pump up my morale, I'd like him to unload his lapdog, Mullin, who no doubt has a huge impact.

By "go away" .... I just mean back the **** off of basketball decisions. I don't doubt that he is willing to spend, and wants this franchise to be a winner.... I just doubt his wacky theories about how he's going to get us there.

Maybe this whole fiasco of a season will get him to wise up. Maybe. The sooner Vivek realizes that neither he nor Mully know jack **** about winning basketball, the sooner he can back off and be a decent owner.

 

[Livinthedream]

Corbin knew he was a lame-duck lets be real. But he was 6-20 with us. I mean that's pretty pathetic. He's a good assistant coach. Just like Gentry.

Not defending the job he's doing. But this FO is a joke. Shouldn't have gone down like this. Don't make him coach 2 more games. If you've told him he's fired, let him walk.

 

[Glenn]

Karl should provide some cover and shield the team from some of the incompetence and disarray, but I still see chaos running through our FO since all signs point to a faction within the FO not backing this Karl hiring. How that plays out is anyone's guess but if it filters into player personnel decisions and the direction of this roster, also style of play, the chaos will continue.

One problem the side who didn't want Karl may have is he's extremely outspoken. I actually expect the division in our organization to polarize and get worse.

Fire the troublemakers. Today.

 

[Livinthedream]

No. This doesn't pass the smell test. Is Vivek falling on the sword to make his front office look better. They are operating out of weakness at the moment. A rookie owner making impatient mistakes or an incompetent FO? The latter still makes him look bad, so ...................

Too many conflicting reports. Too many agendas.

He's not falling on the sword. Someone is undermining his position. He's lost some control of the team to some other members of ownership. Maybe not in authority, but in respect.

 

[whozit]

Karl should provide some cover and shield the team from some of the incompetence and disarray, but I still see chaos running through our FO since all signs point to a faction within the FO not backing this Karl hiring. How that plays out is anyone's guess but if it filters into player personnel decisions and the direction of this roster, also style of play, the chaos will continue.

One problem the side who didn't want Karl may have is he's extremely outspoken. I actually expect the division in our organization to polarize and get worse.

Hopefully, the Malone firing and subsequent coaching hires have been simply a proxy war and the losing side has been properly neutered. I don't trust either PDA or Mullin but don't want them to put the team in paralysis with their differing/competing agendas (assumption on my part).

 

[Glenn]

Are we saying that there is a battle between hired people in the FO or among owners?

 

[Hoovtrain]

Unreal so that fool Vivek is the one who ordered the hit on malone. **** that guy.

Are you surprised? I'm not, I've felt this is what had happened all along. Everyone crapped on PDA and blamed him, he's just taking orders from the know it all meddling owner

 

[whozit]

He's not falling on the sword. Someone is undermining his position. He's lost some control of the team to some other members of ownership. Maybe not in authority, but in respect.

If it's some other members of ownership then they are bigger piles of crap themselves than anything this FO or Vivek has done.

 

[Jerichoholic]

When it comes to Ranadive being the one responsible for firing Malone, does that really come as a surprise to anyone? That was my original thought, most of the rumors out there supported that, and with the repeated claims by D'Alessandro that it was his decision made it seem even more obvious that he was covering for Ranadive, like a good yes man does. I really don't know how Mullin fits into any of this, is he the guy who's opinion that Ranadive respects which means he is the true decision maker or is he just another yes man that Ranadive likes having around? I believe it's the latter. Guess what everyone, we have a meddling owner, big time. Whoever watched the video of the draft war room last year could see who was really running things. What makes more sense was D'Alessandro's specialties when he was hired, he wasn't known as a great talent scout, he was known as a cap specialist and one who was good at writing contracts. He is the perfect guy to do the dirty work while Ranadive makes the decisions.

Now when it comes to the players perhaps not wanting Karl to be their coach I'll make this quick, shut up you babies! If that is true then they really don't care about winning or at least their care more for their own comfort than winning. Ship those players out!

 

[whozit]

Are we saying that there is a battle between hired people in the FO or among owners?

I would guess FO but there are reports that other parts of ownership haven't been happy. Not happy and undermining are two different things. I can see them not happy because as the team goes down the tube, their stake is harmed. To undermine would be self-mutilation unless they were going to attempt a coup or something.

 

[PurpleHaze]

If-if, Vivek Ranadive is actually smarter than all those he's hired before introducing new HOF coach Karl this would be his mea culpa:

"Before introducing our new coach I'd like to say something to Kings fans everywhere. We could have certainly handled better the aftermath of dismissal of our previous coach Michael Malone who I will always have great respect for. We put a good man Tyrone Corbin in very difficult position that eventually got us to where we are today. The buck stops with me and I take full responsibility for not managing this situation as well as could have been done. Now our great new coach George Karl not only has my full support along with everyone in the organization but he will be totally in charge of one thing, the most important thing - winning. Now we look forward to watching him and his players do just that heading into the new era with a new arena on the horizon. Now before I introduce Georgie just one quick reminder - for Kings tickets call 888-91-KINGS or go to Kings.com."

 

[chasen4r1]

Can't wait for Vivek's standard "George Karl is the coach we wanted from the very beginning. We got our guy!"

 

[rhythmless]

The silver lining in all of this is that if Karl does come on board, he's fully aware of the show that's happened thus far and the front office's incompetence and penchant for meddling. Since he's always been a big personality, I'm SURE he will receive direct assurances that he is running the coaching strategies. I'm not sure Vivek will stay true to his word, since he's turning out to be a bit of a crap owner, but I will bet that Karl at got it out in the open.

And maybe that's why they didn't want him in the first place. Vivek's dream of cherrypicking may be flitting away as we type.

 

[Capt. Factorial]

Are we saying that there is a battle between hired people in the FO or among owners?

It would certainly appear that way.

 

[Capt. Factorial]

Obviously D'Alessandro signed off one the move and was okay taking the heat for it. If he was that adamant about it he could have refused or told Ranadive he'd have to make the announcement himself. Considering Petrie resigned in Portland rather than fire Adelman it's not that far fetched.

PDA probably isn't in the position to make a stand like that. He's still young (mid-40s?), and he's in his first "big money" job. It's terribly hard to walk away from something like that when you've got no guarantee you'll get another shot at it. Ten years from now, with a big 401K and clout in the business, sure, that Petriesque stand is one you can make. But right now he needs that job, and if Malone is gone whether you take a stand or not...

 

[lwc]

It amazes me that this ownership and front office are so bad thus far. When the Mallofs had money they allowed Petrie to put a winning product on the floor for Rick to coach. This group has money and an innovative GM but they cannot get out of their own way. It blows my mind.

 

[MassachusettsKingsFan]

If Vivek is giving PDA clearance to hire his guy, than that relationship has to be solid. Vivek isn't going to blow 5 million dollars on a recommendation from a man he doesn't trust, or one he doesn't want around anymore.

I don't know where the disconnect is. Mullin, probably, but we don't know who else has pull in that front office.

It appears, however, that Vivek and the GM are on some same page. A similar page, anyway. That's somewhat positive. I'm not entirely convinced that Vivek called the hit on Malone. We have sources from different sides reporting different things.

 

[Chubbs]

Woj has reported from day 1 that PDA has merely been the messenger.

Vivek himself, on the record, gave the petey and mully flying to Vegas story.

This isn't new from Woj.

Just a bit more emphatic now with a very direct statement. But the original article strongly insinuated every thing stops and ends with Vivek. My gut says Mullin is the guy playing Vivek. But ultimately, Vivek is agreeing.

We will never know the truth.

PDA not being fired seems a strong indication he wasn't the decision maker on the terrible decision to fire Malone. Just following orders, taking the bullet. Fits his personality.

General manager Pete D'Alessandro had to be the messenger to Malone on several unpopular directives, but there was long a sense he was often carrying out the will of his owner, Vivek Ranadive. Management goes beyond the owner and GM too, including influential consultant Chris Mullin. Too many voices, too little common ground.


As one rival general manager said late Sunday night, "How is Cousins having viral meningitis Malone's fault? With [Malone] gone, that's one less well-prepared team to worry about now."

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/the-do...kings-and-coach-michael-malone-175201188.html

 

[Glenn]

It would certainly appear that way.

Read it again. I meant it to be FO OR owners.

 

[Glenn]

Woj has reported from day 1 that PDA has merely been the messenger.

Vivek himself, on the record, gave the petey and mully flying to Vegas story.

This isn't new from Woj.

Just a bit more emphatic now with a very direct statement. But the original article strongly insinuated every thing stops and ends with Vivek. My gut says Mullin is the guy playing Vivek. But ultimately, Vivek is agreeing.

We will never know the truth.


http://sports.yahoo.com/news/the-do...kings-and-coach-michael-malone-175201188.html

My gut also says that Mullin is playing Vivek. Maybe not maliciously but to an extent that I would like him fired.

 

[Chubbs]

My gut also says that Mullin is playing Vivek. Maybe not maliciously but to an extent that I would like him fired.

I can certainly see PDA lying for his boss. And Vivek is certainly comfortable with half truths.

But who is Vivek getting his ideas from? I go with mully. But there might be a bunch of Vivek himself in there too.