Kings May Be Left Out in the Cold
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Purple Reign
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VF21 said:
But could you concede that there is a huge challenge in front of the man. This is not going to be easy. That FA's are not just going to come and play here because they are "The Sacramento Kings".
There is nobody on the roster that is a big time recruiter the way Chris Webber was.
There is no salary cap room
There are no players outside of your core (Bibby, Miller and Peja) that has a market
And your one bargain chip in Mobley is about to bounce for nothing.
To me that is alot to overecome.
nbrans
All-Star
I agree with you, Purple Reign, it's a big challenge. But it's also not impossible, and the Kings aren't that far away from being contenders again. Bibby, Peja and Miller are in their prime. It's tough, but I don't think it's a dire situation.
If Dan Gadzuric can command 6 years at $36 million I think there's a market for our bigs. Just wait until the market shakes out. Teams will wait for the blue-chippers to sign and then they'll go to the second tier.
If Dan Gadzuric can command 6 years at $36 million I think there's a market for our bigs. Just wait until the market shakes out. Teams will wait for the blue-chippers to sign and then they'll go to the second tier.
CruzDude
Senior Member sharing a brew with bajaden
Ahhh, rabid fans being rabid fans. Ain't it great entertainment? Second guessing is now an artform and recognizing Petrie for what he has been over the years (secretive, quiet and popping deals when they need to be popped). Just because we don't know squat doesn't mean management is doing nothing.
Get a life, know about the salary cap, know that the Maloofs want to get under it (doesn't mean they will only they want to reduce the luxury tax) and consider, do you want a player who wants to come here for less than some bottom dweller can offer or do we only want someone who only wants to "SHOW ME THE MONEY"?
Be cool dude, we'll be up for conference championships this year and Petrie will be the force to get us the ammo we need to get there.
Get a life, know about the salary cap, know that the Maloofs want to get under it (doesn't mean they will only they want to reduce the luxury tax) and consider, do you want a player who wants to come here for less than some bottom dweller can offer or do we only want someone who only wants to "SHOW ME THE MONEY"?
Be cool dude, we'll be up for conference championships this year and Petrie will be the force to get us the ammo we need to get there.
BibityBobtyBoom
Bench
ill convince you why it isn't going to happen... Petrie. Do you actually think petrie will go all off season without finding someone to come in and contribute. And if you are already throwing in the towel on the season, thats just sad. And i don't see why we cannot do a repeat of the 2003-2004 webber-less season. Never count the kings out.
mr. moustache
Bench
OK. Mitch Richmond for Webber. B. Miller for Hedo and Pollard.
Purple Reign said:
Bricklayer
Don't Make Me Use The Bat
This is still Geoff's offseason to reaffirm his greatness. He's not an idiot yet. To be fair he can't lose the genius title until we see what he does, or does not do. And still a lot of time to do things. He created this mess, and claimed (albeit maybe just face-saving) that he did it for flexibility. Better have. Because it certainly didn't help the product on the floor. So if he was telling the truth, then this should be the offseason where we start to see the results of that flexibility.
That said, the obvious concern is that Geoff has gotten one-dimensional and overly attached to jump shooters (and one in particular). Even the good moves of recent years have always netted the same soft, jumpshooting style of player at every position. Its not by accident our team looks like it does, and Rick Adelman is not the guy acquiring the talent.
Now, if Geoff sets that aside, if he's aggressive and innovative, he can still make this roster into something with promise. We are not out of talent yet, and still have many more pieces than do the Hornets. Its just a question of whether all of those pieces are really on the board, and whether Geoff understands the urgency of changing things up. If he does, history has shown that he has a way of slithering around the league into nooks and corners to find guys who are available that maybe you didn't even know are available.
Not quite time to abandon ye all hope just yet. But its very clear to many/most that things could go badly here. No need for it too -- almost anything should be possible with a top GM working with our talent base. Just a question of whether the front office has vision (and of course what that vision may be).
That said, the obvious concern is that Geoff has gotten one-dimensional and overly attached to jump shooters (and one in particular). Even the good moves of recent years have always netted the same soft, jumpshooting style of player at every position. Its not by accident our team looks like it does, and Rick Adelman is not the guy acquiring the talent.
Now, if Geoff sets that aside, if he's aggressive and innovative, he can still make this roster into something with promise. We are not out of talent yet, and still have many more pieces than do the Hornets. Its just a question of whether all of those pieces are really on the board, and whether Geoff understands the urgency of changing things up. If he does, history has shown that he has a way of slithering around the league into nooks and corners to find guys who are available that maybe you didn't even know are available.
Not quite time to abandon ye all hope just yet. But its very clear to many/most that things could go badly here. No need for it too -- almost anything should be possible with a top GM working with our talent base. Just a question of whether the front office has vision (and of course what that vision may be).
Purple Reign said:
Of course there's a challenge. If his job was easy, anybody could do it.
We aren't going to rebuild this team via Free Agency anyway. We don't have the bucks to compete in that market. We haven't had salary cap room for a long time, so that's nothing new...
Petrie is going to have to find a way to make some trades that will get us headed back in the right direction. And it will most likely involve moving at least one of those "core" players.
If you're looking for a return to the WCF or even further this coming season you could be in for a big disappointment. Am I ruling it out entirely? Nope, but I'm not planning my vacation around a trip to the NBA finals in June either at this point.
I love the game of basketball. I have for over 40 years. I've been a fan of the Kings for 20. I was lucky enough to see my team rise from the very bottom of the barrel - NBA Hell on Earth - to a team that kept me on the edge of my seat, screaming until I was hoarse (and that was in my living room. That doesn't even begin to compare to the excitement of actually being part of the Arco experience...)
All good things come to an end. The Webber era, which is as good a name for those years as any IMHO (although I'm sure a couple of Webber detractors will object), was a rarity and something I'll never forget. If we have to go into rebuilding mode now, and suffer through a couple of lean years, so be it. It certainly isn't going to stop me from being a fan.
My advice for people who cannot find anything to be hopeful or optimistic about with the Kings is to take a break. Perhaps it's just time to find somthing else to do for a while.
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ONEZERO
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Just be patient man.... We have no idea what could happen after july 22nd.... I still feel we have a great chance of getting nene no matter what denver says cause they know when nenes contracts up, he's gonna demand a big contract and if they wanna win now, they need a sg like mobley.
So I think our chances of improving the team is still very possible.
So I think our chances of improving the team is still very possible.
Purple Reign
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Bricklayer said:
Completely agree!!! This is Petrie's point of proving his excellence. But in order for him to shy away from the soft jump shooting players, he has to change the whole philosophy of the basketball operations. And as long as Rick Adelman is the coach, and Geoff Petrie is the GM, they are going after players that play "The Princeton Way", which has not proven yet to win anything. But I can live with it.
Just do not bring Antoine "Shimmy-Shake and Bake, Shoot 600 3's in One Year" Walker anywhere near this team. Petrie really would have lost me then.
Padrino
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VF21 said:
this is true. but webber and divac both had post games and rebounding skills during our title run. for whatever reason, the team played solid defense that season, so, combined with the princeton offense, the kings were looking like real winners. now, however, the "princeton way" has nothing to complement it. both webber and divac are gone, and even if they weren't, long gone are their rebounding days. our defense and rebounding are very very poor, so the princeton offense means little. even with an injury depleted and unfamiliar roster, the kings were putting up 110 a night at the end of last season. problem is, they were giving up 115-120 and were minus 5-10 on the boards every single night. the "princeton way" could thrive again, but it needs big men who can defend and rebound, as well as pass, and score in the post, (*cough*KG*cough*) to work effectively. i wouldn't mind holding on to brad miller if we got an aggressive power forward to complement his otherwise soft style of play. and i wouldnt mind starting kenny thomas at power forward if we got a strong, aggressive center to complement his game. but the kings front line, as it is, will not stand a chance in the seasons to come, princeton offense or no.
Purple Reign
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That cold...COUGH, COUGH, KKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG, man I am sneezing all over the place....anyway I have got to get over this Kev..uurrrrrr, I mean coughing. 
Bibby_Is_Clutch
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**COUGH** Kobe Bryant **COUGH**
Entity
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I have seen on several post of people saying they hate Kwame Brown and Walker makes them sick and they have no game. That tells me that we will be getting one of those 3 guys. After all what kind of Kings team would it be if 50% of the people didn't hate the PF. i.e. Chris Webber and Kenny Thomas. To many People like NeNe so its not going to happen.
SacTownKid
Hall of Famer
Entity said:
Many people like Nene b/c they know so little about him that they don't have much to complain about. If Nene was in the limelight more, more complaints would be registered.
As far as the PF situation goes, does it really surprise anyone that almost every free agent PF has been linked to the Kings by the media? I mean c'mon, you have to look at every available player, and I am sure Petrie is doing just that.
ParniValjak
All-Star
Geez we have some pesimists around here. Its not even July 22nd and already the sky is falling in and we will end up in the lottery 
SoupIsGood
Bench
If you guys get a quality PF you will be ready to roll.
C.Robinson wouldn't be a bad addition to the bench, that man can play some defense.
C.Robinson wouldn't be a bad addition to the bench, that man can play some defense.
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AriesMar27
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i just dont know, but at the same time, im not worried..... in 2003-04 we got miller, the year before that we got jj and keon... those 2 offseasons came out of nowhere..... lets just sit back and enjoy the ride, cause honestly.... i doubt that the lakers or twolves are all that much better.... the lakers got taller.... but not better....
if mobley signs with the clippers what position is he going to play? do they really want their 2 point guards will be taller than their sg, sf and pf.....damn...
if mobley signs with the clippers what position is he going to play? do they really want their 2 point guards will be taller than their sg, sf and pf.....damn...
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thesanityannex
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my feet are now kicked up, martini in hand, waiting for petrie to do his job. i'm done speculating, its driving me nuts.
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