Kings, Mavericks Interested In Trading Down

roasthawg said:
Same path as John Wall. Doesn't need to be a great shooter, just decent.
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John Wall is bigger which helped him in terms of defense and attacking the basket and he's a better playmaker. But yes, Fox could turn into John Wall-lite. That's not a bad outcome. Fox's rookie stats were also just a tick below Westbrook's. I think so much depends on improvements to his shot and increases in strength.

But I also think part of it is situational. I don't think Joerger's offense plays to Fox's strengths. I sure hope that changes next year but my fear is that he's not being put in the best position to succeed.
 
funkykingston said:
John Wall is bigger which helped him in terms of defense and attacking the basket and he's a better playmaker. But yes, Fox could turn into John Wall-lite. That's not a bad outcome. Fox's rookie stats were also just a tick below Westbrook's. I think so much depends on improvements to his shot and increases in strength.

But I also think part of it is situational. I don't think Joerger's offense plays to Fox's strengths. I sure hope that changes next year but my fear is that he's not being put in the best position to succeed.
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Yeah Wall has some strength on fox but aside from that there's a ton of similarities. I think fox is going to be more like John Wall than Elf when it's all said and done.
 
funkykingston said:
I love Fox but I freely acknowledge that he has a very narrow path to stardom that is predicated on him becoming a good outside shooter in very short order.
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Yeah, I can see why you feel that way. I just feel like when he came in, everyone said do not expect him to be close to a finished product, he’s only 19, it’s going to take a while. I think he showed me a bit more than I was expecting. I can see the allure of a Doncic/MJP pairing or a MJP/JJJ pairing, but I feel it might be short sighted of us to unload him this early.
 
Kingster said:
Question to the experts on the board: If you make a trade back deal can you make it contingent upon the trading partner taking a specific player? Or can the trading partner just say they are going to take X player and then end up bamboozling you by taking Y?

Trading back to #5 seems like a long way down. Going one or two slots down not so much.
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I'm pretty sure you can make a trade contingent on the player you want is there when the 2nd team picks. If the player that team A wants is no longer there when team B picks, then Team A can nix any trade, but they would need to keep the player they originally picked. I would hope Vlade would be smart enough to put that contingency into any trade down scenario.

Also, I freaking can't wait for draft night to be over. Seriously, I can see Adam Silver announce that the Kings pick Doncic #2 (and Kings fans rejoice!!!) and like 1 hour later..... Adam Silver announces..... the Kings trade the rights to #2 Doncic for the Mavs #5 pick and MJP and Dirk Nowitski! :eek:
 
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funkykingston said:
John Wall is bigger which helped him in terms of defense and attacking the basket and he's a better playmaker. But yes, Fox could turn into John Wall-lite. That's not a bad outcome. Fox's rookie stats were also just a tick below Westbrook's. I think so much depends on improvements to his shot and increases in strength.

But I also think part of it is situational. I don't think Joerger's offense plays to Fox's strengths. I sure hope that changes next year but my fear is that he's not being put in the best position to succeed.
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This is my problem as well with DJ. And imho, DJ is not nearly a good enough coach to start unloading players that don’t fit his style.
 
I trust literally nothing I read about trades, picks and FA's unless there is a named legit source but I will say this that if a team has access to either very seriously accurate scouting or a crystal ball, and the Kings org clearly has neither, then this could be an excellent draft to trade down. History tealls us that there are likely a few guys outside the top 3 that will turn out to be really great players and a couple disapointments in the top 5... the trick always is figuring out which is which. With the number two pick the Kings should not even thing of getting cute. You drew a great hand, play it straight up. But If I am Dallas and I am solid on two or three guys I think will be on board farther down, then I would take the risk to amass more young prospects and try to pull a rabit out of the hat.

This is honestly what Vlade did the last two drafts with mixed results. Last year he flipped #10 Collins for Giels and JJ (jury still out) and in 2016 when he flipped #8 Chriss for Boggie, Skal and Pappa G (Looks like a win). To be clear I am NOT saying the Kings should pull this trick again, just the opposite. It's time to use that #2 for as a sure a deal as you ever get tin the draft. But If I am Dallas and I am starting from gound zero I want losts of prospects, I take risks and search for hidden gems this year.
 
funkykingston said:
John Wall is bigger which helped him in terms of defense and attacking the basket and he's a better playmaker. But yes, Fox could turn into John Wall-lite. That's not a bad outcome. Fox's rookie stats were also just a tick below Westbrook's. I think so much depends on improvements to his shot and increases in strength.

But I also think part of it is situational. I don't think Joerger's offense plays to Fox's strengths. I sure hope that changes next year but my fear is that he's not being put in the best position to succeed.
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well vivek has been chasing the next steph curry for years. i imagine young excites him. give up fox to have Bagley/Porter/Doncic and young

young/mason
Bogdan/heild
Porter/jj
giles/skal
Wcs/kosta

shumper
zbo
 
i would like Dallas to offer #5 and Barnes for the #2. we take whoever is left out of jjj,bagley,porter,bamba, trade fox to orlando for #6 plus future pick for fox.

young/mason
bogdan/heild
Barnes/jj
giles/skal
bagley or bamba or jjj/ Wcs
 
kingsboi said:
Fox would in return turn into a stud and then laugh in the Kings face, this is asinine thinking in my opinion. What's with the Kings' fanbase and their willingness to trade players as soon as they draft them? I don't understand.
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It's the lure of the unknown. We've now seen Fox's warts and know what he needs to work on to be successful. All those other guys....unknown superstars....
 
funkykingston said:
I'll post the article in it's own thread, but The Ringer released a piece on whether the Kings would get this draft right with a bunch of different scenarios.

One of them was trading Fox to Orlando for #6. If the Magic went for that I'd strongly consider it depending on who is on the board at six.
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Who are we hoping to draft 6 in that scenario? Doncic at 2 and a SF (MPJ) at 6? Or Bagley at 2 and Young at 6? I'm trying to see the vision...
 
funkykingston said:
I'll post the article in it's own thread, but The Ringer released a piece on whether the Kings would get this draft right with a bunch of different scenarios.

One of them was trading Fox to Orlando for #6. If the Magic went for that I'd strongly consider it depending on who is on the board at six.
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As long as the pick isn't Doncic at #2, I would do Fox for Young. I see him as a potential franchise player
 
Livinthedream said:
Who are we hoping to draft 6 in that scenario? Doncic at 2 and a SF (MPJ) at 6? Or Bagley at 2 and Young at 6? I'm trying to see the vision...
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I don't think the FO will trade Fox. However, just from guessing, here's the scenarios:
1. Kings draft Doncic at #2, absolutely love him and also see him more of a LEGITIMATE pg. He'll take over the PG duties which makes Fox expendable. Kings would use #6 on Mikal Bridges who would theoretically guard PGs allowing Doncic to stick on SFs. Mikal would be a great fit with Doncic, Bogdan, and Buddy.

2. Kings love Young and see him as a franchise player. We draft him at #6, and use the #2 pick on an elite big man in Ayton, Bagley, or Jackson Jr.

Young is a very very very talented PG. He was an elite scorer in college, and many hope to see him do that in the NBA.
 
TaxMan said:
It's the lure of the unknown. We've now seen Fox's warts and know what he needs to work on to be successful. All those other guys....unknown superstars....
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I keep mentioning time and time again the Fox has two way potential and I still stand by that. Whether he reaches that potential with the Kings remains to be seen but I am patient enough to wait and find out.
 
I just don't see many trade down scenarios that would make sense for the Kings. There is no way in a theoretically great draft class that we would trade out of the top five.

That leaves only Memphis as a potential trade partner. If Ayton goes 1, Memphis trades up for Doncic, Bagley at 3 that would leave the Kings to choose between Porter and Bamba at 4 and a 2019 first rounder that would likely be top ten albeit in a weak class. A Doncic, Gasol, Conley trio isn't really much to build on considering Gasol's age and status. Don't think that makes sense for them and it only makes sense for the kings if we don't want Doncic or Bagley. Ugh and we were all rejoicing a couple weeks back.
 
206Fan said:
I don't think the FO will trade Fox. However, just from guessing, here's the scenarios:
1. Kings draft Doncic at #2, absolutely love him and also see him more of a LEGITIMATE pg. He'll take over the PG duties which makes Fox expendable. Kings would use #6 on Mikal Bridges who would theoretically guard PGs allowing Doncic to stick on SFs. Mikal would be a great fit with Doncic, Bogdan, and Buddy.

2. Kings love Young and see him as a franchise player. We draft him at #6, and use the #2 pick on an elite big man in Ayton, Bagley, or Jackson Jr.

Young is a very very very talented PG. He was an elite scorer in college, and many hope to see him do that in the NBA.
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Yeah. That's kind of what I was thinking. However, the smarter thing to do if the Kings truly wanted to trade Fox, would be to trade him for a proven young veteran at SF or PG and a future pick. Not a good idea to keep rolling the dice on 19 y.o. players when you're trying to build something. Not unless your following the Philly model. No guarantee that our #2 or a potential #6 will pan out. Disaster if they both flop.
 
Christie sure does like Porter. I stand corrected, also. He did see him in high school. Did things that reminded him of Durant.
 
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