Gabriel
G-League
Looks like the front office has read some of my posts.
Kings looking to trade Jason Thompson
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Kingsguy881
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Take all the credit, why don'tcha!
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sactownfan
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this would be a terrible idea....
ESPN's John Hollinger
Thompson at small forward makes little sense
"Recently, the Kings' brass was in the team's offices flipping through a folder labeled 'Reggie Theus' Worst Ideas.' After a few beers they decided, what the heck, let's implement a few of them. That's my best explanation for how the 6-foot-11 Thompson is once again playing the 3 -- spotting up on offense, chasing around wings on defense and generally looking as out-of-water as a fish can possibly look. He's been a productive player at both power forward and center but was brutally awful at the 3 when Theus tried the same thing two years ago. And why has all this happened? So they can find minutes for Darnell Jackson? Seriously? Instead of 10 minutes a night as a miscast 3, the Kings need Thompson to be one of the linchpins of what should be a strong frontcourt rotation of Thompson, Carl Landry, DeMarcus Cousins and Samuel Dalembert. That's especially true since Dalembert is in his walk year and may not last the season with the Kings, likely necessitating an end to this sixth-grade science fair experiment by the trade deadline."
ESPN's Marc Stein
Once the future, Kings have shopped Thompson
"It wasn't long ago that Thompson, selected with the No. 12 overall pick in the 2008 draft, and Spencer Hawes were being touted as the Kings' frontcourt tandem of the future. Now? Thompson is averaging just 15.4 minutes per game off the bench and has been shopped by the Kings."
I agree with both these guys.... Jackson over JT??? that is ridiculous
ESPN's John Hollinger
Thompson at small forward makes little sense
"Recently, the Kings' brass was in the team's offices flipping through a folder labeled 'Reggie Theus' Worst Ideas.' After a few beers they decided, what the heck, let's implement a few of them. That's my best explanation for how the 6-foot-11 Thompson is once again playing the 3 -- spotting up on offense, chasing around wings on defense and generally looking as out-of-water as a fish can possibly look. He's been a productive player at both power forward and center but was brutally awful at the 3 when Theus tried the same thing two years ago. And why has all this happened? So they can find minutes for Darnell Jackson? Seriously? Instead of 10 minutes a night as a miscast 3, the Kings need Thompson to be one of the linchpins of what should be a strong frontcourt rotation of Thompson, Carl Landry, DeMarcus Cousins and Samuel Dalembert. That's especially true since Dalembert is in his walk year and may not last the season with the Kings, likely necessitating an end to this sixth-grade science fair experiment by the trade deadline."
ESPN's Marc Stein
Once the future, Kings have shopped Thompson
"It wasn't long ago that Thompson, selected with the No. 12 overall pick in the 2008 draft, and Spencer Hawes were being touted as the Kings' frontcourt tandem of the future. Now? Thompson is averaging just 15.4 minutes per game off the bench and has been shopped by the Kings."
I agree with both these guys.... Jackson over JT??? that is ridiculous
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Kingsguy881
Guest
Except Jackson has been more useful and a much better player so far than either Thompson or Landry.....
stevetaebo
Bench
Damn. Geoff better tell Paul to play JT more. Buy high, sell low ain't good business. Get JT back on the court for more minutes with DC. Get him up to 13 and 10 and then trade him.
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LWP777
Guest
Get rid of him. He's just way too frustrating to watch. I've been saying it since last year -- he has a terrible basketball IQ. He always seems to commit a stupid foul at the wrong time (like against the T-Wolves he was called for an off-ball offensive foul in his first possession). He's just one of those guys who will never "get it" and he's destined to be a marginal role player in this league.
We need an athletic swing man. I know that's not easy to find but it has to be at the top of GP's wish list.
We need an athletic swing man. I know that's not easy to find but it has to be at the top of GP's wish list.
Bricklayer
Don't Make Me Use The Bat
Unbeleivable that I would give Hollinger a hallelujah, but here it is anyway.
And I don't have anything against Jackson, who has played well, and indeed well enough to maybe allow us to clear one of the major players ahead of him in the rotation via trade, and have him be a solid cheap option. But here is NO WAY that its remotely good basketball strategy to let a Darnell Jackson destroy the prospects and value of a whole swath of "name" players ahead of him unless he's a helluva lot better than he has shown so far. If oyu are going to trade JT, it needs to be as a productive big minutes PF, not a bizarrely out of position SF.
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Gabriel
G-League
I don't believe it's a case of getting rid of one player for another, because one has been playing well. First of all, this team has had high hopes of JT ever since he was drafted with the 12th pick. He had an okay rookie year so he was labeled, along with spencer hawes, as the future front court of this team. To this point, his progress has done nothing but regressed. He simply isn't cutting out to be the kind of player we need him to be. Thus, the trade scenario.
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LWP777
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bingo!
Bricklayer
Don't Make Me Use The Bat
Darnell Jackson this year: 6.1pts 2.9rebs
Darnell Jackson career: 1.9pts 1.5rebs
Jason Thompson, career: 11.5pts 7.8rebs
Entity
Hall of Famer
so what do we do at the end of the season when Landry and Daly are Free Agents? Cousins, Whiteside, and Jackson. Not to mention Jackson is a free agent also. I would package Greene, Landry, and Jackson for a damn good PF. If we trade JT i garuntee it will be for a crappy SF.
Entity
Hall of Famer
Brick this looks bad real bad. Its like they saw the direction of the team going the right way and they want to throw the breaks on as fast as they can. Landry and Jackson our sole options at PF?????? damn
bajaden
Hall of Famer
I'm not opposed to trading Thompson, as long as we get good value for him. While there are some folks on this fourm that only care about points scored in the boxscore, believe me when there are teams that would love to have Thompson. Everything in the world isn't just black and white. Thompson has been jerked around ever since he's been here. First by Theus, who probably thought of playing him at the SG position, and now Westphal. No one has ever asked Noah in Chicago to do anything but play center and learn the position. Thompson has started at Center and the PF positions and now he's playing SF. Westphal has done the same thing to Greene. He's started at SG and SF, and has had to play PF at times. Hows that working out so far?
I don't think it a good idea to do your best to de-value a player and then trade him. Maybe Mr. Petrie and Mr. Westphal should sit down and have a heart to heart.
I don't think it a good idea to do your best to de-value a player and then trade him. Maybe Mr. Petrie and Mr. Westphal should sit down and have a heart to heart.
Tetsujin
The Game Thread Dude
Marc Stein tends to spend a lot of time talking out of his you-know-what. I'll believe it when I see it.
bajaden
Hall of Famer
First of all, we don't know if this is true or not. Just because Marc Stein says so, doesn't make it so. One thing I know about Petrie is that he never, and I mean never lets anyone know if he's thinking of trading one of his own players. He's stated many times that he doesn't think its fair to the player, or useful to have a players name bandied about in trade rumors. So I doubt this came from the Kings orginization. And if it came from another teams orginization, it could just be wishful thinking on their part. Can anyone remember the last time anyone knew of a Kings trade before it happened? I can't! At least not while Petrie's been the GM. I guess we'll find out eventually..
Tetsujin
The Game Thread Dude
Artest trade. But really that was the Maloof's fault.
JJ_Evans
G-League
IfAt1st
Starter
(If this is real)
YEEEEEESSSSSSSSSSSSSSS!!!!
I would rather have anyone else on the team out there than JT taking minutes, and there's a lot of players we could get that actually study, get better during their career, and learn the way of the NBA.
The only way this could be a negative is if the Kings don't get anybody for him, and JT has been faking his stupidity this whole time, then grows a brain as soon as he leaves the Kings.
YEEEEEESSSSSSSSSSSSSSS!!!!
I would rather have anyone else on the team out there than JT taking minutes, and there's a lot of players we could get that actually study, get better during their career, and learn the way of the NBA.
The only way this could be a negative is if the Kings don't get anybody for him, and JT has been faking his stupidity this whole time, then grows a brain as soon as he leaves the Kings.
I don't understand what's going on with the front office and coaching staff so far this season. We put together a team with a definite upward trajectory, and over the past couple of seasons have made a concerted effort to get bigger and be a more physical/defensive team. Now Westphal's rotations and (apparently) Petrie's putting certain players on the trading block after seven games -- players that were intended to play a significant role in this team's future -- makes me wonder what the hell changed in the past six months. Westphal needs to put the best eight or nine guys into a set rotation and force them to figure it out on the court. And if that doesn't work over a reasonable period of time (at least three or four weeks), then I can understand experimenting with guys like Darnell Jackson and Luther Head. As of right now, his rotation and the minutes he's giving out make zero sense, and that makes it hard to object to or support any trade ideas, because it's hard to even say what we have.
Career stats are a small sample size?
One would assume that's why Brick included the career numbers.
Still, per-36s are probably better to look at:
Darnell Jackson, career per-36: 9.1 pts, 7.1 reb, 0.6 blk, .430 FG%
Jason Thompson, career per-36: 14.2 pts, 9.6 reb, 1.0 blk, .481 FG%
Jackson has been playing out of his mind this season in 7 games (99 total minutes) and THAT is your small sample size. Maybe Jackson has worked hard on his game (.545 FG% this year, .397 FG% career prior to this year), or maybe it's just falling for him right now. With his current level of play, I'm OK with him being on the floor - but he has not reached the point where he has made JT expendable. Far from it.
One possibility is that JT asked to be traded, seeing that he will not get too many minutes in this logjam of bigs that we suddenly have, and that his value might plummet as his contract year is coming up. In this case, it is possible that GP might be a little more open about shopping him, since he wouldn't be hurting his feelings or publicly doing something behind his back.
I personally would be sad to see him go. JT may not become an allstar, but I think he will certainly be a good NBA PF. Most bigs take time to really learn how to play in the NBA, and on top of that, JT was a guard until he suddenly grew during his college years, which means he actually had less time to learn than any other big. And now he is being jerked around between positions, and forced to play a position that he simply can't succeed at, with limited minutes to prove himself. We are not even giving him a chance.
If JT winds up in a place where he gets to play his natural position, PF, and has a defined role and enough playing time to adapt, in a few years he is going to be one of the more solid PFs in the league and we will be sorry for letting him go.
Kingster
Hall of Famer
It's like every trade. Who are you going to get for him? The Kings need quickness at the wing. They've been torched by Gay and Beasley, and it's not a coincidence. They have a deadbeat 3 in Greene and another guy, Casspi, who can't guard starting 3s. Also, whoever Beno seems to guard has a very nice night. So there are needs that eventually need to be met. It's not all about Thompson being so bad; it might be more about our
3s being so bad.
Jackson has played better than Thompson. I'll believe my eyes anyday over a stat line. I'll grant you Thompson is more athletic than Jackson and is a better rebounder. In fact, despite the criticism of him at the three, he defended Beasley better than our so-called 3s did. But we all know that Thompson is challenged in the mental aspects of the game. Do they keep a stat for stupid plays? (Yeah, I know, turnovers, but that's just the half of it). Will the light come on with Thompson sometime in the future? Heck if I know, but nobody can really know on a thing like that. What we do know is that he played four years in college and and now three years in the pros and he continues to make brain-dead plays - over and over and over again. Also, we know that the guy works very hard. It's not like he hasn't tried to work on his game. I'll give him that. Some guys can study for years and they'll never pass Chem 1A.
3s being so bad.
Jackson has played better than Thompson. I'll believe my eyes anyday over a stat line. I'll grant you Thompson is more athletic than Jackson and is a better rebounder. In fact, despite the criticism of him at the three, he defended Beasley better than our so-called 3s did. But we all know that Thompson is challenged in the mental aspects of the game. Do they keep a stat for stupid plays? (Yeah, I know, turnovers, but that's just the half of it). Will the light come on with Thompson sometime in the future? Heck if I know, but nobody can really know on a thing like that. What we do know is that he played four years in college and and now three years in the pros and he continues to make brain-dead plays - over and over and over again. Also, we know that the guy works very hard. It's not like he hasn't tried to work on his game. I'll give him that. Some guys can study for years and they'll never pass Chem 1A.
BayAreaKingsFan
Prospect
I agree with the point that JT may not be the problem, but he may help us acquire the SF that we desperately need.
I heard something about Marcus Thornton of the Hornets having his minutes cut and being disappointed. I wouldn't mind a Marcus Thornton for JT swap. Don't know if the salaries match but I believe they're both on their original rookie deals so they should be close.
Thornton is a potentially prolific scorer, and JT would provide them with a "banger" that they need.
This way we get the SF we need, and Westphal can continue his lovefest with Jackson....
I heard something about Marcus Thornton of the Hornets having his minutes cut and being disappointed. I wouldn't mind a Marcus Thornton for JT swap. Don't know if the salaries match but I believe they're both on their original rookie deals so they should be close.
Thornton is a potentially prolific scorer, and JT would provide them with a "banger" that they need.
This way we get the SF we need, and Westphal can continue his lovefest with Jackson....
FaStRmAn
Starter
Jason Thompson may be suffering from the peter principle. He may already be at his maximum effectiveness. He might not have any upside left. He does rebound pretty good, but a layup is just not a sure thing for him. He rushes everything, and that hurts the team often. I dont know if he will ever be a starting quality power forward. I had my doubts last season, and this season has been more of the same. They say a player really blossoms in their 3rd season, but I just dont see any more growth from Jason. Perhaps if the Kings can get a serviceable 3 for Thompson, the Kings might consider a trade. But it may be too soon to talk trade because we are only 7 games into the season. Very interested to see how this all pans out. I agree that Petrie doesn't let on about trade possibilities. And Mark Stein is not a cornucopia of truthful NBA rumors.
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