Kings Issues Dont Stop With Cousins - Amick

Upon reading that article... I can't help but think our players think our coaching staff are incompetent. Whether our coaching staff is or isn't really remains to be seen. It's an interesting read though.
 
Upon reading that article... I can't help but think our players think our coaching staff are incompetent. Whether our coaching staff is or isn't really remains to be seen. It's an interesting read though.

Yeah those 20 and 21 year olds are just a wealth of knowledge...:rolleyes:

Yeah, that Cousins can teach Truck a thing or two, and then Tyreke knows a heckuva lot more than Westphal about playing guard...:rolleyes:
 
Read that a little closer. For all of Amick's insiderness, you have to remmeber here he was a bigtime Kevin Martin homer. I think they made bundt cakes together or something. In any case when Tyreke shouldered Kevin aside and poor Kevie Wevie wasn't able to get all his shots anymore, Kevin wasn't happy, and Amick considered Kevin not being happy = Kings not happy, because Kevin after all was his Kings. He's still on it. I am not worried about the Tyreke stuff because basically its like an Ailene vendetta. Amick is still butthurt that his boy got traded.

The Cousins stuff maybe. The fine was real, it was also not a big thing from the sounds of it. Shapiro called him fat, Cousins got pissed, or some such. We'll have to see. The Minnesoat halftime thing is potentially abigger issue. That's more recent, it came after a strong first half for DeMarcus, and remmeber that DeMarcus got few minutes and did little wiht them after half. That could be more legit. Adn why on Earth Coach would point a finger at DeMarucs in that game with Landry terrible etc. I have no idea.
 
He may be right, but I don't think it's really something to be that alarmed about if true. These players aren't going to mature overnight, it's going to take some time for them to really learn the game and become a real team.
 
Landry is interesting, because that suggests we told him, or he expected us to make a move to win now. That can be resolved two ways. Either a) we move Landry; or b) we make that move he expected, only a bit late. That's where those Igoudala, Josh Smith, etcv. rumors come into play.

I am nto sure if the Jaosn thign was an observation or just a specualtion that I think we would all generally suspect + agree with. Its hard to see Jason, good teammate guy, goign to Sam Amick and complaining behind the scenes so early. Its also hard to imagine any professional basketballm player in his position watching his future earnign potential being trashed not beginning to think he would be better off getting out while the getting is good.
 
Landry is interesting, because that suggests we told him, or he expected us to make a move to win now. That can be resolved two ways. Either a) we move Landry; or b) we make that move he expected, only a bit late. That's where those Igoudala, Josh Smith, etcv. rumors come into play.

I am nto sure if the Jaosn thign was an observation or just a specualtion that I think we would all generally suspect + agree with. Its hard to see Jason, good teammate guy, goign to Sam Amick and complaining behind the scenes so early. Its also hard to imagine any professional basketballm player in his position watching his future earnign potential being trashed not beginning to think he would be better off getting out while the getting is good.

It's also hard to imagine the GM watching the value of his former lotto big man plummet not getting at least a little itchy on the trigger finger.
 
Read that a little closer. For all of Amick's insiderness, you have to remmeber here he was a bigtime Kevin Martin homer. I think they made bundt cakes together or something. In any case when Tyreke shouldered Kevin aside and poor Kevie Wevie wasn't able to get all his shots anymore, Kevin wasn't happy, and Amick considered Kevin not being happy = Kings not happy, because Kevin after all was his Kings. He's still on it. I am not worried about the Tyreke stuff because basically its like an Ailene vendetta. Amick is still butthurt that his boy got traded.

The Cousins stuff maybe. The fine was real, it was also not a big thing from the sounds of it. Shapiro called him fat, Cousins got pissed, or some such. We'll have to see. The Minnesoat halftime thing is potentially abigger issue. That's more recent, it came after a strong first half for DeMarcus, and remmeber that DeMarcus got few minutes and did little wiht them after half. That could be more legit. Adn why on Earth Coach would point a finger at DeMarucs in that game with Landry terrible etc. I have no idea.

On Tyreke: I think The Kings were hurt by the 20/5/5 push. As a whole, the team played their worst ball of the season post allstar break, while Reke put up his best numbers statistically. Kinda lends a bit of weight to the entire: "Reke is a ballhog/stat stuffer on a bad team" arguement put out by Curry/Jennings homers. And then, watching the games, I have seen a lot of dumb moves/selfish play from Tyreke.

However, Reke strikes me as a good character guy (dumb offcourt behavior aside) and we've never really heard complaints about him from other players. These last few games he seems to be passing/playmaking a lot more as well. Reke is a young player, and a developing player. I'm not really worried about him either. As far as his occasional dumb/selfish play, that seems to be the culture of the team lately, and has me more worried about the coaching staff.

On Cuz: That bit about the Minny halftime scapegoating had me wondering the same things. Cousins made a bunch of dumb plays, but he was also playing his best D of the season, rebounding like crazy, and scoring well. It could be exaggeration, but if Westphal did single him out, with all the other Kings playing just as poorly or worse, that leaves me wondering about the coaching.
 
ok no Donte and now no JT. while Wright, Jackson, and Head get a combined 29 min and put out of 2 pts 5 reb 0 ast between the 3 of them. I would have to agree this coaching staff doesn't know what they are doing. I wasn't this frustrated during the Kenny Thomas/ Brad Miller era. This is absurd beyond words.
 
One thing I cant belive I have to bring up but will, is the strength and conditioning coach Daniel Shapiro. What is his deal? Garcia breaks an arm under his watch, then Greene, who at least according to his twitter, worked out with "Ship" a lot over the summer but still comes in "overweight" or "too big" ( muscle or fat, who knows ) and now getting into fights with DMC, whoevers fault it was. Im not saying fire the guy, but it makes you wonder what kind of person he is.

I will also say, for those taking the coach's side .. I dont trust this coaching staff one bit. I dont know how anyone can have any sort of faith in them. Maybe they're ok, maybe they're bad, but Im absolutely not confident in them.
 
One thing I cant belive I have to bring up but will, is the strength and conditioning coach Daniel Shapiro. What is his deal? Garcia breaks an arm under his watch, then Greene, who at least according to his twitter, worked out with "Ship" a lot over the summer but still comes in "overweight" or "too big" ( muscle or fat, who knows ) and now getting into fights with DMC, whoevers fault it was. Im not saying fire the guy, but it makes you wonder what kind of person he is.

I will also say, for those taking the coach's side .. I dont trust this coaching staff one bit. I dont know how anyone can have any sort of faith in them. Maybe they're ok, maybe they're bad, but Im absolutely not confident in them.

damn that. I am boarderline about to hate this staff. Theus wasn't this idiotic. He played his best players he just didn't have any. Lorenzen Wright didn't play 20 min while Mikki Moore sat. Salmons didn't sit while Quincy Douby got all the backup min. I don't get it.
 
It's pretty obvious there's something going wrong with this coaching staff as a whole, this year (and I had been a PW supporter last year).
I'm starting to really question his management of the team -

and Shapiro, strength and conditioning coach?

Sorry - he either sucks, or is the most snake-bit guy in the league.

Either way, it's time for a change in strength coach : it's time for Shapiro to go.
 
It's pretty obvious there's something going wrong with this coaching staff as a whole, this year (and I had been a PW supporter last year).
I'm starting to really question his management of the team -

and Shapiro, strength and conditioning coach?

Sorry - he either sucks, or is the most snake-bit guy in the league.

Either way, it's time for a change in strength coach : it's time for Shapiro to go.


Hahaha, c'mon now. Shapiro's actually a top notch strength and conditioning coach.
 
I have actually had the chance to meet Daniel Shapiro in person. This was a few years back and he seemed like a nice guy but just not a guy to joke around with....
 
Hahaha, c'mon now. Shapiro's actually a top notch strength and conditioning coach.
Based on what?

Results?

Reputation?

Look, from what I've seen over the years, he seems a capable and a nice guy.

Doesn't change the fact that the Kings team on his watches have failed utterly in these areas, of strength and conditioning.

I say give someone else a chance at changing the corporate culture with the Kings.
 
A lot of these things you can see on the court, such as players frustrated with Reke ignoring them on the break. This is not the first time the issue of the 20/5/5 chase and the special treatment of Reke has been brought up in the press. Someone is making these comments to the press, and no, it's not Kevin Martin lol.

The Cousins thing is interesting, as it makes sense in regards to what happened on the court in Minny. I think it's weird to single Cousins out as selfish when he and Dalembert look for cutters more than most of the team. Their high post offense has been rather friendly to guys moving. It's more Landry as a blackhole that I see on the post offense, and its partly because he just doesn't see people.

Also, I think it would be lame to throw Westphal under the bus if the Reke double-standard is the issue, since that certainly seems a problem coming down from up high. Theus had a similar issue in that a lot of the criticism he got had to do with the mixed messages he was getting from up top on winning with vets vs playing the youth.
 
Remember in camp where westphal consistently named Thompson as the player who was most improved, the player who was in best shape. Also why did pooh get so many minutes in pre season and he's now a passenger.
 
Something is rotlen in ihe Male of Denmark...
Nothing changes in sac over the years - we still have and PLAY a lot of dead weight - luther head, antoine wright, darnell jackson.
 
Remember in camp where westphal consistently named Thompson as the player who was most improved, the player who was in best shape. Also why did pooh get so many minutes in pre season and he's now a passenger.

Westphal is failing. I was worried about him being an old school coach. Not enough quality NBA coaches to go around.
 
I have noticed that everytime we run a post play for Cousins Beno enters the ball into the post. If Tyreke is on the side with the ball in his hands he doesn't do it correctly, I really hope they are working on simple things like post entry passes if they want Reke to play PG.
 
Read that a little closer. For all of Amick's insiderness, you have to remmeber here he was a bigtime Kevin Martin homer. I think they made bundt cakes together or something. In any case when Tyreke shouldered Kevin aside and poor Kevie Wevie wasn't able to get all his shots anymore, Kevin wasn't happy, and Amick considered Kevin not being happy = Kings not happy, because Kevin after all was his Kings. He's still on it. I am not worried about the Tyreke stuff because basically its like an Ailene vendetta. Amick is still butthurt that his boy got traded.

The Cousins stuff maybe. The fine was real, it was also not a big thing from the sounds of it. Shapiro called him fat, Cousins got pissed, or some such. We'll have to see. The Minnesoat halftime thing is potentially abigger issue. That's more recent, it came after a strong first half for DeMarcus, and remmeber that DeMarcus got few minutes and did little wiht them after half. That could be more legit. Adn why on Earth Coach would point a finger at DeMarucs in that game with Landry terrible etc. I have no idea.

After reading this article, I went back and rewatched the part of the first half in which Cousins played. I have to be honest. I didn't see a thing that Cousins did that would warrant calling him out in front of the team. I thought he actually played pretty well. Second half, different story, but that was after being called out, and maybe to some degree explains his poor play in the second half. I don't think Cousins is the right guy to make the whipping boy. Especially if its unwarranted.
 
I've been reluctant to pick on Tyreke. Mainly because these things seem to pick up steam and get out of control. Intelligent criticism is fine. Unfortunately it sometimes turns ugly and all rational thought goes out the window. Let me begin by saying I really like Tyreke. I was one of those that advocated drafting him. However, he still has a long way to go to become a complete player. His positives have improved. Besides being one of the best in the league at getting to the basket and finishing, his ability to see open man and get him the ball has improved greatly. His ability to pull up short of the basket and shoot the ball has improved, as has his perimiter shot. These areas still need future improvement, but he appears to be on the right track.

His negatives are as follows. He still eats up too much of the clock with his dribbling. I paid close attention in the last game when Tyreke brought the ball up the floor. Too many times there was no more than 10 seconds or less before he moved the ball, or attacked the basket himself. He does the latter far too often when there's nothing there. For whatever reason, he appears to be indecisive far to often. I don't know if thats because Westphal is leaving all the playcalling/making up to him, or he's just not running the plays that were called, or practiced, properly. Another problem is Tyreke running the fast break. Seldom does he move the ball on the break if its in his hands to start with. Now I'll admit that he usually finishes with a basket. But you have to reward the bigs, or anyone else that runs the floor with you. If he did so, I think he would have fewer charge fouls called against him.

I don't think Tyreke is a selfish player. But I do think that he tries to take on too much of the responsibility for winning the game, and therefore is percieved as selfish. Bottom line is that he has to initiate the offense sooner and he has to start trusting his teammates more. They have to become a team out on the floor and not just Tyreke and 4 other players.
 
I've been reluctant to pick on Tyreke. Mainly because these things seem to pick up steam and get out of control. Intelligent criticism is fine. Unfortunately it sometimes turns ugly and all rational thought goes out the window. Let me begin by saying I really like Tyreke. I was one of those that advocated drafting him. However, he still has a long way to go to become a complete player. His positives have improved. Besides being one of the best in the league at getting to the basket and finishing, his ability to see open man and get him the ball has improved greatly. His ability to pull up short of the basket and shoot the ball has improved, as has his perimiter shot. These areas still need future improvement, but he appears to be on the right track.

His negatives are as follows. He still eats up too much of the clock with his dribbling. I paid close attention in the last game when Tyreke brought the ball up the floor. Too many times there was no more than 10 seconds or less before he moved the ball, or attacked the basket himself. He does the latter far too often when there's nothing there. For whatever reason, he appears to be indecisive far to often. I don't know if thats because Westphal is leaving all the playcalling/making up to him, or he's just not running the plays that were called, or practiced, properly. Another problem is Tyreke running the fast break. Seldom does he move the ball on the break if its in his hands to start with. Now I'll admit that he usually finishes with a basket. But you have to reward the bigs, or anyone else that runs the floor with you. If he did so, I think he would have fewer charge fouls called against him.

I don't think Tyreke is a selfish player. But I do think that he tries to take on too much of the responsibility for winning the game, and therefore is percieved as selfish. Bottom line is that he has to initiate the offense sooner and he has to start trusting his teammates more. They have to become a team out on the floor and not just Tyreke and 4 other players.

I completely agree. Tyreke is awesome at getting to the basket, and his court vision and ability to kick out the ball in rhythm has improved greatly. But besides the not passing on the break thing (which can partially be justified by him trying to go for the and-1), the main thing that bothers me about his game is that he takes so long to initiate the offense. He always walks the ball up the court, and then dribbles down the clock before he starts initiating. If you look at the top PGs in the league - Chris Paul, Deron, Rondo, even Westbrook - they always know what they want to do from the second they get the ball in their hand and every motion in their body is directed on creating that play. They will run to one side, creating the illusion that the play is going to happen on that side, and suddenly dish it to the open man on the other side or cutting to the basket. They constantly draw attention to themselves throughout the entire play and get a lot more dishing options that way. Tyreke's dribbling down the clock seriously limits our options on offense. It basically leaves us on most plays with the option of him driving and either finishing himself or dishing out to a player that has to take the shot to avoid a 24-second violation, even if the shot is not in good rhythm.

The thing is, that's another thing I would put on Westphal, and not on Tyreke, because if Westphal's offensive schemes included some less predictable plays that don't involve dribbling down the clock, I am sure we would at least see tyreke attempt them a few times a game.
 
There's plenty of issues to go around, for sure. That's what happens when your head coach does not set a consistent starting line up and bench rotation. Everybody wonders why they are playing 20 min. one game and then the next game get a DNP. I can't say it falls on the players because it really doesn't, it's the short leash Westphal has for mistakes. They turn it over or don't execute a play properly, a player will get taken out. I don't have too much say on this topic but I will hold off on further evaluation and wait to see how we progress as a unit 25-30 games in.
 
I've been reluctant to pick on Tyreke. Mainly because these things seem to pick up steam and get out of control. Intelligent criticism is fine. Unfortunately it sometimes turns ugly and all rational thought goes out the window. Let me begin by saying I really like Tyreke. I was one of those that advocated drafting him. However, he still has a long way to go to become a complete player. His positives have improved. Besides being one of the best in the league at getting to the basket and finishing, his ability to see open man and get him the ball has improved greatly. His ability to pull up short of the basket and shoot the ball has improved, as has his perimiter shot. These areas still need future improvement, but he appears to be on the right track.

His negatives are as follows. He still eats up too much of the clock with his dribbling. I paid close attention in the last game when Tyreke brought the ball up the floor. Too many times there was no more than 10 seconds or less before he moved the ball, or attacked the basket himself. He does the latter far too often when there's nothing there. For whatever reason, he appears to be indecisive far to often. I don't know if thats because Westphal is leaving all the playcalling/making up to him, or he's just not running the plays that were called, or practiced, properly. Another problem is Tyreke running the fast break. Seldom does he move the ball on the break if its in his hands to start with. Now I'll admit that he usually finishes with a basket. But you have to reward the bigs, or anyone else that runs the floor with you. If he did so, I think he would have fewer charge fouls called against him.

I don't think Tyreke is a selfish player. But I do think that he tries to take on too much of the responsibility for winning the game, and therefore is percieved as selfish. Bottom line is that he has to initiate the offense sooner and he has to start trusting his teammates more. They have to become a team out on the floor and not just Tyreke and 4 other players.

You bring up a good point. What % of the plays does Tyreke call? I rarely, if ever, see Westphal calling plays from the sideline. With such a young, disorganized team, I have to question his intent. I know this team wants to run. Of course that start with defense and rebounding, but that's another discussion.

When we don't have a fast break opportunity, why not pull it out and run a play? Tyreke looks confused. The other 4 guys look confused. And any possession which starts with Tyreke pounding the ball for 10 secs usually doesn't end well. So why not call out plays and get guys into the sets earlier? If Tyreke is the one calling pays, it's simply not working at this point. There were also a few times last night where Beno was running the offense,Cousins had his man on his back, and he swung it the other direction.

If Beno and Tyreke are given thefreedom to call plays and run the offense, and they are essentially failing in that regard, and missing mismatches, and really not making the smart play, then why aren't the plays coming from the bench? If you miss Cousins in the post on one trip, come down, set it up, let him get position, throw him the ball, and let him go to work. Why is that so complicated? Are we running plays for Dally to end up with a 15 ft jumper, or are guys just not playing smart? Cousins dunks on his man, and doesn't touch the ball the next 5 possessions? We jack up numerous 3's and long 2's, and not once do the guys slow it own, and run a half court set and get the ball inside.

So if Westphal is in fact giving Beno and Tyreke the freedom to call plays, IMO, that freedom needs to be reigned in. It's not working. If Westphal is calling plays, and what we have seen is the result, that's a problem to, because that means guys just aren't concentrating and running plays correctly.
 
There's plenty of issues to go around, for sure. That's what happens when your head coach does not set a consistent starting line up and bench rotation. Everybody wonders why they are playing 20 min. one game and then the next game get a DNP. I can't say it falls on the players because it really doesn't, it's the short leash Westphal has for mistakes. They turn it over or don't execute a play properly, a player will get taken out. I don't have too much say on this topic but I will hold off on further evaluation and wait to see how we progress as a unit 25-30 games in.

I swear it seems like we're are getting tons of injuries this year, when we haven't had one yet (besides the 2 games from dally).
 
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