Kings in mix for Iguodala

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#62
lol i understand that...im just saying hes been declining with his age, bt theres no doubt it would be a breath of fresh air with what his veteran leadership could bring to this young team.
well not really

His FG% is essentially the same aside from his first two years in the league. The points have decreased due to a change of systems and diminished role from being the #1 option to George Karl's offense. His defensive stats have been consistent throughout, as well as his long range shooting.

The only thing in decline is his FT%, which is surprisingly pee poor for a wing. I mean 57% from the line is simply unacceptable. I don't know what has gone wrong there. If you look at his attempts over the years, it's almost as if the more he shoots, the better the %.
 

funkykingston

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If the Kings can clear the caproom for Iguodala then they'd have the space to sign Dorrell Wright and Dalembert instead. Just a thought.

Personally I'm hoping they can pry John Henson or Ekpe Udoh from the Bucks in a trade, but Dally played well alongside Cousins and Wright has decent ballhandling and much better passing ability than most realize. Good 3 point shooter, decent defender. I've been banging this drum but I see him as a better fit than Iguodala especially when you consider the extra caproom to sign another roleplayer.
 

Glenn

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If the Kings can clear the caproom for Iguodala then they'd have the space to sign Dorrell Wright and Dalembert instead. Just a thought.

Personally I'm hoping they can pry John Henson or Ekpe Udoh from the Bucks in a trade, but Dally played well alongside Cousins and Wright has decent ballhandling and much better passing ability than most realize. Good 3 point shooter, decent defender. I've been banging this drum but I see him as a better fit than Iguodala especially when you consider the extra caproom to sign another roleplayer.
This is not a bad thought. Assuming Tyreke is signed and plays PG, we still need an upgrade at SF and need a defensive big. I am not familiar with Wright but if we actually sign him, I will become knowledgeable or at least to my limit. Daly is old although bigs tend to mature later and he DOES fit with Cuz. Bottom line, that's important. There is more than one way to skin a cat and Daly is a temporary hole plugger and shot blocker. Putting all our eggs in the very tight Iggy basket isn't the only way to substantially improve this team.

Sorry, Daly, me man! No Haitians in Sacto and that appears to be important to Daly. It also may be important to Daly to be wanted and to re-unite with Cuz. None of us knows.
 

funkykingston

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Bear in mind that Dalembert is only 2 and a half years older than Iguodala and that he'd likely only be signed for one or two years whereas Iggy would likely require a 4 year deal. To me Dalembert is a nice stopgap while the team looks for a young, athletic PF to replace him.
 
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If the Kings can clear the caproom for Iguodala then they'd have the space to sign Dorrell Wright and Dalembert instead. Just a thought.

Personally I'm hoping they can pry John Henson or Ekpe Udoh from the Bucks in a trade, but Dally played well alongside Cousins and Wright has decent ballhandling and much better passing ability than most realize. Good 3 point shooter, decent defender. I've been banging this drum but I see him as a better fit than Iguodala especially when you consider the extra caproom to sign another roleplayer.
I'd absolutely love having Dorell Wright here. he's really close to being an ideal fit on this roster and you wouldn't need to break the bank to get him. so far, the only team associated with him is OKC, who don't have the capeoom to offer him much. we should get that man!
 
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I'd absolutely love having Dorell Wright here. he's really close to being an ideal fit on this roster and you wouldn't need to break the bank to get him. so far, the only team associated with him is OKC, who don't have the capeoom to offer him much. we should get that man!
I watched a lot of Wright with Golden State and I'm not that impressed. He's becoming more and more anchored to the 3pt line, not a great ball handler, and only athletic on the fly. He's an average NBA SF. But sure, I'd take him over Salmons going forward.
 

Glenn

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I watched a lot of Wright with Golden State and I'm not that impressed. He's becoming more and more anchored to the 3pt line, not a great ball handler, and only athletic on the fly. He's an average NBA SF. But sure, I'd take him over Salmons going forward.
I finally did my research on Wright and he is a major step down from Iggy and it is questionable that he is better than Salmons. At some point, shifting bodies is not good for team continuity and I don't think Salmons hurt us despite the disparaging remarks that Kings Fans seem to have for their own players.
 
#69
Bear in mind that Dalembert is only 2 and a half years older than Iguodala and that he'd likely only be signed for one or two years whereas Iggy would likely require a 4 year deal. To me Dalembert is a nice stopgap while the team looks for a young, athletic PF to replace him.
I know a lot of people question Dalembert's attitude/motivation. But if he wanted to play with us...I'd love to bring him back to pair along-side Cousins. As you said...he probably isn't going to get a long/lucrative contract...and he would definitely improve the rebounding/defense of the team. You get him, retain Tyreke, and find a solid SF and you've got yourself a starting 5 that can make a splash.
 
#70
I finally did my research on Wright and he is a major step down from Iggy and it is questionable that he is better than Salmons. At some point, shifting bodies is not good for team continuity and I don't think Salmons hurt us despite the disparaging remarks that Kings Fans seem to have for their own players.
he's a good defender, rebounder and shooter that won't expect to have plays run for him or make trouble. with a bigger role I fully expect him to be a contributer and, in the hopes that other teams haven't been paying that much attention, a bargain.
 
#71
he's a good defender, rebounder and shooter that won't expect to have plays run for him or make trouble. with a bigger role I fully expect him to be a contributer and, in the hopes that other teams haven't been paying that much attention, a bargain.
60% of his shots last season were 3pt shots. I think I'd rather have a guy like Korver in that role. And 3.8 rebounds per last season in 23 minutes isn't a good rebounder imo. I think the Kings need a much more active SF that can slash and hit an occasional 3pt. I'd obviously like Iggy but I'd even take Barnes over Wright. Wright makes sense on OKC and I can see why they're interested. Not a good fit with the Kings, and I'd pass.
 

funkykingston

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A statistical comparison of Salmons, Iguodala and Wright.

http://www.basketball-reference.com...013&p2=iguodan01&y2=2013&p3=salmojo01&y3=2013

What obviously doesn't appear here is the fact that Iguodala adds fantastic perimeter defense and very good ballhandling and passing.

That said, Wright is a decent defender an average ballhandler, but a pretty good passer. He's also a better outside shooter, a stronger rebounder overall (better on the defensive glass certainly) doesn't need the ball in his hands as much, commits fewer turnovers while not averaging all that many less assists and most importantly is 2 years younger and would come far cheaper.

I'd prefer Iguodala or Kirilenko but Wright is a very nice role player and a solid consolation prize that would allow the Kings to possibly make one more decent signing.
 
#74
A statistical comparison of Salmons, Iguodala and Wright.

http://www.basketball-reference.com...013&p2=iguodan01&y2=2013&p3=salmojo01&y3=2013

What obviously doesn't appear here is the fact that Iguodala adds fantastic perimeter defense and very good ballhandling and passing.

That said, Wright is a decent defender an average ballhandler, but a pretty good passer. He's also a better outside shooter, a stronger rebounder overall (better on the defensive glass certainly) doesn't need the ball in his hands as much, commits fewer turnovers while not averaging all that many less assists and most importantly is 2 years younger and would come far cheaper.

I'd prefer Iguodala or Kirilenko but Wright is a very nice role player and a solid consolation prize that would allow the Kings to possibly make one more decent signing.
I hear what you're saying, funkykingston, but there were certain intangibles missing from Wright's game - at least when I watched him a lot with Golden State. He can become incredibly passive, doesn't move laterally as well as people might think. Not a great late in the shot clock/quarters/4th Q player. I really don't even consider Wright as an option for this team. As always, I'd happily eat crow if the Kings signed him and he produces well.
 
#75
@WojYahooNBA: Sacramento Kings meeting with Andre Iguodala today included owner Vivek Ranadive, GM Pete D'Alessandro and coach Mike Malone

Send it!!
 

funkykingston

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I hear what you're saying, funkykingston, but there were certain intangibles missing from Wright's game - at least when I watched him a lot with Golden State. He can become incredibly passive, doesn't move laterally as well as people might think. Not a great late in the shot clock/quarters/4th Q player. I really don't even consider Wright as an option for this team. As always, I'd happily eat crow if the Kings signed him and he produces well.
Yeah, Wright is a significant step down in defense and intensity from Iguodala. And he's not a clutch guy. But as a 3 and D wing I actually like the fact that he is somewhat passive. I'm assuming of course that the Kings re-sign Tyreke and start him at PG which means he and Cousins could be the primary weapons with McLemore and Wright adding shooting and defense from the wings opening up the floor for DMC and Evans. Signing Dalembert or trading for a guy like Henson would provide rebounding and weakside shotblocking and now you have a team built for grind it out, playoff basketball.

If Tyreke isn't resigned and a McLemore/Evans backcourt isn't in the cards then I'd move away from the idea of going after Wright.

I don't have any illusions of Dorrell being a difference maker per se and if there are better options to be had via trade I'm cool with that too. But if Evans is back and inserted at PG then Wright is the best fit at SF among free agents not named AK47 and Iggy.
 
#77
Kings could definitely opt for AK instead of Iggy, especially if Iggy gets priced out. AK @ 3y/30m seems doable, or a 4th year team option/buyout. I think this might be Plan B.
 

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#78
I find it a good sign that the Kings where the first to talk to Iggy. Other teams seem to worried about somebody else first and he is after thought. Of the list given interest. Only Kings jumped on him day one. Pistons tomorrow. Mavs, Pelicans, Hawks, Rockets have bigger fish to fry it seems.
 

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#79
I find it a good sign that the Kings where the first to talk to Iggy. Other teams seem to worried about somebody else first and he is after thought. Of the list given interest. Only Kings jumped on him day one. Pistons tomorrow. Mavs, Pelicans, Hawks, Rockets have bigger fish to fry it seems.
Me, too. I can see them telling Iggy he'd be playing with Evans, McLemore and Cousins. And they might be using the Iggy, McLemore and Cousins line on Evans. :)
 
#80
I find it a good sign that the Kings where the first to talk to Iggy. Other teams seem to worried about somebody else first and he is after thought. Of the list given interest. Only Kings jumped on him day one. Pistons tomorrow. Mavs, Pelicans, Hawks, Rockets have bigger fish to fry it seems.
god damn pelicans are swooping in and trying to fry our fish
 

Bricklayer

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#81
@WojYahooNBA: Sacramento Kings meeting with Andre Iguodala today included owner Vivek Ranadive, GM Pete D'Alessandro and coach Mike Malone

Send it!!
Reke and Iggy on Day 1. Which just so happens to be my ideal free agent haul this year. Work it Vivek.
 
#84
Iggy has a lot of suitors, and there are only a couple of things that could possibly distinguish us - dollars/years/assetts if Den agree to S/T
 
#86
While Iguodala will definitely be on the downside of his career, he is a high IQ player, gets others involved on offense, and is an elite perimeter defender. His deal should expire just as McLemore needs a contract, so now is the best time to go for that kind of move.
 
#87
While Iguodala will definitely be on the downside of his career, he is a high IQ player, gets others involved on offense, and is an elite perimeter defender. His deal should expire just as McLemore needs a contract, so now is the best time to go for that kind of move.
Agree with all of the above, but I think the key will be presenting an opportunity to win and a culture in which to thrive that won't be offered by our competing suitors. Not sure if we stand out in that manner just yet.

Assuming (big assumption still, too) that we re-sign Tyreke, I wonder if a S&T opportunity with MT and Salmons' expiring contract as the centerpieces would be interesting to Denver. IMO, as close to a perfect chain of events you could ask for in an off-season.
 

hrdboild

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It sounds like Mike Malone's positive experiences as an assistant coach already carry some weight around the league. And seeing the way he led the draft workouts endeared him to some of the incoming players based on their interviews. I expect word will get around that he's a coach worth playing for. Maybe not right away, but it will be a factor. So will the new arena and the sellout crowds. With Igoudala I think the primary appeal is going to be the players that we can surround him with and our commitment to making the playoffs. Dallas isn't as desirable a destination as it once was because they've let so much talent walk away. They're not really a guarantee of contention anymore. Detroit is in a similar situation to us with several good young players but a murky recent track record. Atlanta gutted their roster and needs help everywhere. New Orleans looks promising but they may or may not have enough cap space to target him and Denver is also in a bit of a numbers crunch though they can go over the cap to sign him if they want to. San Antonio likely can get whoever they want but for the time being it seems like they're targeting Kirilenko instead. I don't think our outlook is particularly bad, though it does seem like re-signing Evans and guaranteeing a Cousins extension would be necessary prerequisites. That's three top talents we can point to in the starting lineup (Evans, McLemore, Cousins) as proof of our legitimacy as a competitive team. It's a shame about TRob isn't it? Bad rookie season or no, another top 5 pick in the lineup would count for something.
 
#89
While Iguodala will definitely be on the downside of his career, he is a high IQ player, gets others involved on offense, and is an elite perimeter defender. His deal should expire just as McLemore needs a contract, so now is the best time to go for that kind of move.
I'm not so concerned about decline in Iggy's game. He is still quick laterally, and I don't care, if he jumps a few inches lower - his game was never based on jumping ability. His contract will expire the same summer McLemore is due for a new one, and Kings are not giving up assets, since they don't have any :D, so I don't see Iggy's contract impacting the team in a negative way.
 

Bricklayer

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#90
His contract will expire the same summer McLemore is due for a new one,
This is exactly what I was thinking. Big three contracts in the short term could be Cousins, Reke, Iggy. Then if McLemore is the real deal a changing of the guard to the big three being Cousins, Reke and McLemore once Ben's rookie contract is up.
 
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