Kings-Heat swap?

durant would be cool but thats not gonna happen.... back to the topic at hand though. miller/beno/douby for marion. or miller/thomas for marion. id much rather see beno gone than thomas... we could trade thomas next season when his contract looks more desireable. like thomas for hinrich... yeah im pushing that one hard. or maybe if the tj ford experiment doesnt work maybe indy will be willing to take thomas if hes a partial season rental...
 
gunks said:
Actually Millsap always beasted...It's not like he's upping his play because he's in a contract year. The dude just got limited minutes because he was playing behind Boozer.

Although to be honest I wouldnt really be down with giving him a fat contract either. I'd just rather it be him than Boozer. I feel that JT can be our double double PF though...So its kinda moot.

It would take some patience...But I would love to see this team hold off until 2011. Make a max move when all the other teams are near or at the cap from 2010. Durant on the Kings would make me happy. Guy is ballin, and hasnt even scratched the surface of what he can do. None of the 09 FAs really jump out at me. They're all kinda mediocre or too old.


I'd do this move just to clear up some minutes for Hawes though. And I'd love a follow up trade to move Salmons as well, that way Marion can play SF and wont take time from JT.
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We have absolutly no chance of getting Durant. He would be restricted FA and Thunder would match ANY offer! He is their franchise player and will get much better so they will drop a max deal on him ASAP. He won't even get to the RFA status. I bet he signs an extension ASAP.

We need to get that type of player through the draft. This is a really crappy year to suck but hopefully we get that diamond in the rough in this draft that turns out to be our franchise guy.
 
HighTopKicks said:
The big question is why Miami does this. JO has a player option for $23M next year. With Moon this could put Miami well over the Luxury Tax, just to get a 10 & 10 center with medical problems for one year. Toronto on the other hand gets rebounding and scoring, so I think they'd jump on this without thinking.

Obviously, JO is better than Miller right now, but without K9 in the deal, I'd have to think that Miami would take Miller @ $12M vs. JO @ $23M.
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I forgot to mention many reported that Marcus Banks and Marion go as a pair. So JO+Moon for Marion+Banks won't put the Heat over the luxury tax. I'm not saying the Heat is down on this trade, just noting that where Marion goes, likely so does Banks.
 
nbrans said:
Bee is reporting this is on the table provided the Kings take back Banks

http://www.sacbee.com/kings/story/1575640.html?mi_rss=Kings/NBA

(which I'm sure is a dealbreaker given that his salary runs to 2011)
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It the Kings added Sheldon Williams the salaries come almost even (kings shed ~ $1.2 million this year). It would essentially be spreading Thomas's contract out over two years. Unfortunately, that difference according to the Shamsports website puts Miami slightly over the tax limit.
 
I think we are selling way too low on a few of these moves. Basically, we know we aren't going to really compete for a few years and that we need young players, cap space and draft picks. So I get the basic logic behind the proposed Portland and Miami deals but we don't get anything substantial in picks or young talent. All we really get is cap space one year earlier. How is that really valuable?

You can see that expiring contracts are highly sought after commodities and may be the best way for a small market team to get talent besides the draft (as free agents aren't clamoring to move to Sac) so why waste soon to be expiring contracts simply for expiring contracts now. I think that's a dangerous way to shed bad deals and (based on our latest history) replace those guys with other bad deals.

I think you either hold out until you get more valuable picks and some promising young talent (not Derrick Rose of course but something) or hang on to them until you can turn their expiring deals into the kinds of players we actually want.
 
sdballer said:
I think we are selling way too low on a few of these moves. Basically, we know we aren't going to really compete for a few years and that we need young players, cap space and draft picks. So I get the basic logic behind the proposed Portland and Miami deals but we don't get anything substantial in picks or young talent. All we really get is cap space one year earlier. How is that really valuable?

You can see that expiring contracts are highly sought after commodities and may be the best way for a small market team to get talent besides the draft (as free agents aren't clamoring to move to Sac) so why waste soon to be expiring contracts simply for expiring contracts now. I think that's a dangerous way to shed bad deals and (based on our latest history) replace those guys with other bad deals.

I think you either hold out until you get more valuable picks and some promising young talent (not Derrick Rose of course but something) or hang on to them until you can turn their expiring deals into the kinds of players we actually want.
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Thing is, we have a better chance of being players in the market this offseason than in '10 IMO. There are tons of teams saving up for '10. No one is paying attention to this offseason's so we may be one of the few teams with significant cap space. If we don't sign anyone, we still have the cap space for '10.
 
sdballer said:
I think we are selling way too low on a few of these moves. Basically, we know we aren't going to really compete for a few years and that we need young players, cap space and draft picks. So I get the basic logic behind the proposed Portland and Miami deals but we don't get anything substantial in picks or young talent. All we really get is cap space one year earlier. How is that really valuable?

You can see that expiring contracts are highly sought after commodities and may be the best way for a small market team to get talent besides the draft (as free agents aren't clamoring to move to Sac) so why waste soon to be expiring contracts simply for expiring contracts now. I think that's a dangerous way to shed bad deals and (based on our latest history) replace those guys with other bad deals.

I think you either hold out until you get more valuable picks and some promising young talent (not Derrick Rose of course but something) or hang on to them until you can turn their expiring deals into the kinds of players we actually want.
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Being under the cap is just as good as having an expiring contract. I'd rather have the option of signing a free agent this offseason than not, that's really the choice.
 
I don't like the Heat deal if we have to take back Banks. I'd rather go to the Knicks and trade them for Marbury, who we can waive right away, and keep getting lins. With Marion it's harder to justify waiving him since he's still a productive player, but he'll only hurt our draft position and do nothing for our rebuild.
 
Bibby.10 said:
Thing is, we have a better chance of being players in the market this offseason than in '10 IMO. There are tons of teams saving up for '10. No one is paying attention to this offseason's so we may be one of the few teams with significant cap space. If we don't sign anyone, we still have the cap space for '10.
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I know. I just am not overly confident that the team has the ability or the appeal to strong free agents. I think its easier to retain young talent you get in trades than to find one through FA.
 
The best in the 09 FA is Hedo, Boozer, Bibby, Artest, Okur, J. O' neal, Andre Miller, Al Harrington, Shawn Marion, Jamal Crawford, Allen Iverson, Lamar Odom, Rasheed Wallace, Jason Kidd, and Ben Gordon... out of those guys the only real logical ones would be...

Harrington, Odom, Andre, Boozer, hedo.....

yeah i don't think this FA is the best choice to rebuild our team. Boozer would be a big help but it would be blocking time from someone who can be just as good in a few years in Thompson. Odom and Hedo would be alright but they might harm any chance of getting someone who can actually help us next year. Time to wait and see what transpires.
 
Kings Faithful said:
The best in the 09 FA is Hedo, Boozer, Bibby, Artest, Okur, J. O' neal, Andre Miller, Al Harrington, Shawn Marion, Jamal Crawford, Allen Iverson, Lamar Odom, Rasheed Wallace, Jason Kidd, and Ben Gordon... out of those guys the only real logical ones would be...

Harrington, Odom, Andre, Boozer, hedo.....

yeah i don't think this FA is the best choice to rebuild our team. Boozer would be a big help but it would be blocking time from someone who can be just as good in a few years in Thompson. Odom and Hedo would be alright but they might harm any chance of getting someone who can actually help us next year. Time to wait and see what transpires.
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Exactly. So what exactly does rushing to get rid of guys like Miller, Thomas, etc. get us, besides not having to watch them play anymore (which isn't a horrible reason)? This is the time to be smart, strategic and with an eye on the future. You can make just as dumb a mistake rushing a rebuild as you can delaying one.
 
Knowing Petrie and his history, and in particular 1997 and 98, I don't see Kings getting any "big time FA" this year but rather getting some better young pieces for rebounding and defense, and another 1 or 2 Cisco types who can put up 10 or 30 on any given night.

Nope. No big names yet. But I bet there are a handful of "under the radar guys" out there who can help the rebuild better than it's going now. Look at Portland, they stocked up on first round picks for couple of years and now have a real nucleus of young players to be a force next year. But it took them 4 years to get up to that next level and one step about the top 5-8 teams.

So, Brad to the Heat + filler, getting back Marion + Banks + a first then trade Marion to get another first. He can help a top 12 team get into the top 4 or 5. Too bad that draft choice will be in the 20-30. Oh well.
 
CruzDude said:
So, Brad to the Heat + filler, getting back Marion + Banks + a first then trade Marion to get another first. He can help a top 12 team get into the top 4 or 5. Too bad that draft choice will be in the 20-30. Oh well.
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If my nba rules are correct, you cannot trade a player for 30 days after you have acquired them. Trade deadline is less than a month away, which means it is impossible to retrade anyone at this point.
 
Vlade4GM said:
I don't like the Heat deal if we have to take back Banks. I'd rather go to the Knicks and trade them for Marbury, who we can waive right away, and keep getting lins. With Marion it's harder to justify waiving him since he's still a productive player, but he'll only hurt our draft position and do nothing for our rebuild.
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A trade for Marbury is close to impossible considering the Knicks will not really use Miller/Thomas on their current roster.

Marcus Banks' contract is around 4M and is much easier to ride on trades than K9's 8M. So if the Heat will accept a Thomas+Miller for a Marion + Banks, then Petrie better close it now. We'll get rid of roughly 16M(since we still take in Banks) a year ahead. This will give us great financial flexibility throughout next season.
 
I'm tired of sucking this bad. Get Marion he can hang out and keep things interesting a few years on a reasonable contract (buy low coming off a bad year). Greene isn't ready.

New PG
Martin/Cisco
Marion/Greene
Thompson
Hawes

Does not suck so bad but still young. Shed all the dead wood: Brad, Kenny, Salmons, Moore, Beno (wow it just hit home that is 4/5 of our starting squad going into the season... holy cow).

I actually like Marion quite a bit. Exciting - could maybe be a vet anchor on the kiddie squad.
 
rhythmless said:
If my nba rules are correct, you cannot trade a player for 30 days after you have acquired them. Trade deadline is less than a month away, which means it is impossible to retrade anyone at this point.
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You can trade the player, they just can't be traded with anyone else.
 
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