Kings Have Signed John Salmons - Bye, Bye Bonzi!!

I watched almost every single sixer game last year, I'm talking 70 + games and I completely agree with everything in Captain Bill's post (which I think was taken from the realgm Kings site). Look, no matter what anyone says this move looks bad to me. Salmons was wildly inconsistant last year. Even when he got the nod to start and got consistant minutes suddenly he couldn't deliver anymore, not to mention all of the stuff he has shown flashes of being good at is nothing we need. It really surprises me that people who seem to break down every potential strength and weakness of every free agent around the league and how it fits with what the Kings need, are now putting their heads in the sand and failing to apply the same logic to this guy(who we signed for pretty much all of the MLE for god's sake). Considering the personel we have right now why even sign him at all? How does he address our needs? He doesn't even bring us those "special" skills we are losing in Bonzi. OK... you want to let Bonzi walk... he was asking for too much money, to many years... Fine. OK, I can get with that... but what the hell are you locking up this guy for multiple years when you have guys who can do exactly the same things and have already shown they can probably do them at a higher level?
 
VF21 said:
You have to admit your reaction was pretty over the top, drama wise, atxrocker.
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maybe so. justifiably so, imo. still, guess i shoulda waited a bit to cool down before reacting. talk about taking a few steps back though. what an unproductive offseason we have had so far. just great.
 
Well to be honest we don't know the details of the Bonzi dealings. His agent and himself just lost out on about 10-20mil as has been covered above but this point needs to be stressed.

The Kings offered Bonzi a fair and obviously by the lack of takers they offered an above market value offer. Bonzi and Agent wanted more, Petrie was not playing that game. I don't see that as a bad Petrie move at all.

Now seperate from that entire issue is the Salmons signing. We waisted our MLE for this guy? This is a bad Petrie move...This makes no sense to me at all. We could probably pick up some scrub or older vet that would be able to give us similar if not better production. Some of the older Vets are good to have around the locker also. Need a few of the old salts.

Salmons is obviously not a starter, this makes Martin our starter and I like that. Never been a big Martin guy but he won me over last year. I think we are better with Martin vs Bonzi starting. Still think Martin has to grow and he will continue to grow.

So if your keeping score:

Not overpaying Bonzi=Good
Salmons for MLE=Very Bad
Marting as our starter=Good
Letting Bonzi walk for nothing=undecided we don't know the details, but leaning towards Bad because of a repeat with Cat.
 
KP said:
I watched almost every single sixer game last year, I'm talking 70 + games and I completely agree with everything in Captain Bill's post (which I think was taken from the realgm Kings site). Look, no matter what anyone says this move looks bad to me. Salmons was wildly inconsistant last year. Even when he got the nod to start and got consistant minutes suddenly he couldn't deliver anymore, not to mention all of the stuff he has shown flashes of being good at is nothing we need. It really surprises me that people who seem to break down every potential strength and weakness of every free agent around the league and how it fits with what the Kings need, are now putting their heads in the sand and failing to apply the same logic to this guy(who we signed for pretty much all of the MLE for god's sake). Considering the personel we have right now why even sign him at all? How does he address our needs? He doesn't even bring us those "special" skills we are losing in Bonzi. OK... you want to let Bonzi walk... he was asking for too much money, to many years... Fine. OK, I can get with that... but what the hell are you locking up this guy for multiple years when you have guys who can do exactly the same things and have already shown they can probably do them at a higher level?
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I definitely respect that you've watched a lot of games and know more about Salmons that I do, but at the same time if it's clear Bonzi is walking you have to suck it up and sign the best replacement available and pay what you need to get him. At this point in time that's Salmons. So I think we just have to hope that he justifies his deal and hope Martin thrives in the starting lineup.
 
KP said:
I watched almost every single sixer game last year, I'm talking 70 + games and I completely agree with everything in Captain Bill's post (which I think was taken from the realgm Kings site). Look, no matter what anyone says this move looks bad to me. Salmons was wildly inconsistant last year. Even when he got the nod to start and got consistant minutes suddenly he couldn't deliver anymore, not to mention all of the stuff he has shown flashes of being good at is nothing we need. It really surprises me that people who seem to break down every potential strength and weakness of every free agent around the league and how it fits with what the Kings need, are now putting their heads in the sand and failing to apply the same logic to this guy(who we signed for pretty much all of the MLE for god's sake). Considering the personel we have right now why even sign him at all? How does he address our needs? He doesn't even bring us those "special" skills we are losing in Bonzi. OK... you want to let Bonzi walk... he was asking for too much money, to many years... Fine. OK, I can get with that... but what the hell are you locking up this guy for multiple years when you have guys who can do exactly the same things and have already shown they can probably do them at a higher level?
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You should be entitled for some king of compensation due to torture
 
nbrans said:
I definitely respect that you've watched a lot of games and know more about Salmons that I do, but at the same time if it's clear Bonzi is walking you have to suck it up and sign the best replacement available and pay what you need to get him. At this point in time that's Salmons. So I think we just have to hope that he justifies his deal and hope Martin thrives in the starting lineup.
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Like I said... I'm ok with him walking, but Salmons does absolutely nothing to replace him, in fact even with Bonzi walking we have more pressing needs than a hack combo guard with an identity crisis who can't play D. Are you trying to tell me when you saw he was opting out of Toronto he was on your radar as someone we needed to get?
 
VF21 said:
Claiming to be a fan of a particular team doesn't immediately give someone knowledge of said team or credibility, at leat not in my book. That has to be earned.
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valid, but it felt from the dude's post that he was more than just a casual fan.

"considering our experience with C-Webb's defense..." = watches the games

"...worse that [sic] C-Webb and with none of the class and heart." = watches enough/follows enough to know about Webb's character

"Allen Iverson calls him a 'girl'." = too detailed to be made up, imo

"Good luck. We'll be watching closely." = use of the wrod "we" says fan to me
 
piksi said:
You should be entitled for some king of compensation due to torture
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Tell me about it. They definately underachieved but I needed something to watch when Webber left and this team fell completely in the toilet until Ron got here. Without league pass I'm not sure what I would have done. At least now I can see Salmons for free, I guess thats at least some kind of justice :rolleyes: .
 
VF21 said:
Actually, Salmons will most likely backup Bibby at the point which is, I think, better to begin with than throwing an unproven rookie into the mix.

We needed more depth on our bench anyway. We just promoted one of our best bench players into a starting slot.

Drafting players is entirely different than signing free agents. And this could foretell future moves. We simply do not know.

I'm more worried about what we're going to do about our frontcourt now than anything else.
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I really think that a combo of Price/Douby/Cisco/Hart could definately handle the back-up PG duties.

Hopefully Salmons will come in and play well for us. Unlike a lot of people here I'm not really anti-Salmons, I would have just prefered to spend our money elsewhere, preferably on the front court. It just seems that Salmons doesn't really add anything to our team that we don't already have.
 
KP said:
Like I said... I'm ok with him walking, but Salmons does absolutely nothing to replace him, in fact even with Bonzi walking we have more pressing needs than a hack combo guard with an identity crisis who can't play D. Are you trying to tell me when you saw he was opting out of Toronto he was on your radar as someone we needed to get?
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No, he definitely wasn't on my radar, but backing up Martin you have Garcia and... that's it. Meanwhile, Garcia has already been injured in summer league. So the Kings definitely needed a backup at the 2/3. Now, if I were GM I might have gone for a cheaper option like Jumaine Jones, but apparently Petrie and Musselman (not to mention Raptors and Suns) liked what they saw in Salmons. And it's not like there's a great free agent big man left on the horizon. So I understand the move, even if I'm not terribly excited about it.
 
Kev.in said:
Words cannot describe how angry I am with this turn of events.
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Well help us Kev?

Why are you mad?

Who is better that you would have signed for a partial MLE money. BTW word on the street is it's not the full MLE they are using. So...? BTW I can find a lot of people better, I don't like Salmon at all

Or are you mad because bonzi wanted more money? Then Petrie said no when he seen that the NBA market also thinks Bonzi is not worth that much.

Just Curious.... why ya mad?
 
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BigWaxer said:
Well help us Kev?

Why are you mad?

Who is better that you would have signed for a partial MLE money. BTW word on the street is it's not the full MLE they are using. So...?

Or are you mad because bonzi wanted more money? Then Petrie said no when a he obviously seen that the NBA market obviously also thinks Bonzi is not worth that much.

Just Curious why you mad?
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Seriously?

Well lets start, realgm says that they have tendered the full mid level exception, and ooo it specifies full.

Now - what do the kings need? Rebounding, big body in the paint, shot blocking, what does Salmons provide of those? How many tweener guards do we have? What money did we have to spend, only the MLE. if Bonzi wanted more money handle a S&T. Why give Salmons the full MLE? why even get a guard...I was expecting wright or cato out of todays fiasco....

To top it off im told Petrie said the team needs to rebound, and that its not due to us not having a rebounder? PLEASE PETRIE..

If you have anymore questions, allbeit not addressed to me please ask. I'm not the typical "WERE ALL GOING TO DIE" reactionary to this situation, but i am in no way pleased.
 
BigWaxer said:
Well help us Kev?

Why are you mad?

Who is better that you would have signed for a partial MLE money. BTW word on the street is it's not the full MLE they are using. So...?

Or are you mad because bonzi wanted more money? Then Petrie said no when a he obviously seen that the NBA market obviously also thinks Bonzi is not worth that much.

Just Curious why you mad?
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I'm mad because the Kings are heading in the wrong direction. That's all I can say for now.
 
JJ22L said:
Seriously?

Well lets start, realgm says that they have tendered the full mid level exception, and ooo it specifies full.
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RealGM is WRONG. NOT right. Incorrect. In error.

I don't know how much clearer I can say that.

Yes, Salmon was signed for a 5-year deal. NO, it was not for the full MLE.

I have that on the best authority. And I do not doubt it whatsoever. This is not a rumor. This is not a guess. This is as solid as it gets.
 
nbrans said:
I definitely respect that you've watched a lot of games and know more about Salmons that I do, but at the same time if it's clear Bonzi is walking you have to suck it up and sign the best replacement available and pay what you need to get him. At this point in time that's Salmons. So I think we just have to hope that he justifies his deal and hope Martin thrives in the starting lineup.
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Okay, this is just wrong. Salmons is not Bonzi's replacement, Martin is. Step back for a second. Bonzi's gone. We are left with this:
Bibby/Hart/Douby/Price
Martin/Douby
Artest/Garcia/Corliss
SAR/Thomas
Brad/Pot
+rooks from summer

When it becomes clear that Bonzi is walking you assess your current situation. Backup SG is not a pressing need. We have some guys to fill the minutes, and Salmons is not a clear upgrade over any of them. You don't spend money for the sake of spending money- you spend it to get better. I would estimate that 80-90% of fans would look at this and say, get a backup center. Maybe that's the SL guys. But even so, I would give the MLE to just about anyone who can play center (with defense) before I gave it to Salmons. If Martin wasn't here it would be defensible- a gaping hole at a position means you just try to fill it. That is not the case here. The reason the Loofs didn't pony up everything Bonzi wanted is because we're not left with a hole- we're left with a promising young player who could make a real impact as a starter. First priority in many minds was signing Bonzi. 2nd, if that fell through, was taking new financial freedom and doing everything possible to get a center. Petrie screwed this up, plain and simple. Defend Salmons all you want, he doesn't help us. That money could better be spent elsewhere.
 
Viking said:
WAIT! we might be forced to sign it as a backup center
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Maybe we can plant bushes in the new arena. Force teams to take shots from the outside on penalty of thorns. Cuz there ain't no way this team is gonna stop people from getting in to the basket.
 
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