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There’s. Your. Superstar. Sacramento.
She shoots jumpers like Tyrese lol
There’s. Your. Superstar. Sacramento.
Love it. Hope he plays like that. I miss Swipa's hair.
So dangerous that the NBA had to step in.Ninja band fro Fox was the best Fox.
It’ll be interesting to me if both Fox and Sabonis keep playing this well and the team is actually winning next year (at or above .500), who will get the All-Star nod? If I had to bet without seeing the production of each player, I’d say Sabonis because the narrative would likely be that he’s turned things around in Sacramento.
What I'm worried about is he's only gained 0.1 VORP since the start of February.
For comparison, Morant has a 3.4 VORP on the season while Fox is sitting at 0.3, which is the worst since his rookie year. Usually Fox finishes around 2 VORP on the season but this year he'll be lucky to even get to 1.
Teams simply don't win when their best players don't have good impact stats. I don't know what he needs to do differently but he's not going to lead the teams to many wins if his impact on the game stays low while his numbers stay high. He's kind of sitting in early career Jabari Parker/Zach Lavine territory right now. Numbers look good but they aren't producing wins.
But twitter says he sucks.If he can knock down 3s at a 35% clip and shoot 55% from 16ft+, he's going to be incredibly difficult to stop.
I mean, Tyrese and Domas have had good VORP over the last two seasons and their teams have sucked raw eggs so maybe VORP isn’t the end-all be-all to determine a player’s impact?
in the only season the Kings were respectable (the Joerger run and gun year), his VORP was 2.3, which was more than respectable for a second year player. Up until this year, his VORP was right in the range where you’d assume the lead guard of a bad defensive team would be. Hell, Davion’s VORP is -.6, which would rate him worse than Tristan Thompson, which is categorically untrue lol.
This isn’t a screed against VORP by any means. I just find that VORP screws heavily towards big men and shooters while also uncaregorically penalizing players on bad defensive teams regardless of whether or not they’re at fault or not (in this regard, Fox does deserve some blame).
Also according to VORP Jokic is more than twice as good as Kevin Durant. (Seriously, Jokic’s VORP numbers are insane lol)
Obviously VORP isn't a list of the best player all the way down to the worst player but I think there are some pretty hard line rules with the stat. I don't think you will find a team in modern history who made the playoffs with their leading usage player having a VORP as low as Fox's. Most of the players who lead their teams to the playoffs don't do it with low impact stats. I would bet that it's probably impossible for a legit 8th seed to have impact stats as low as his. The most balanced playoff team right now is the 8th seed Clippers who have 5 players with a VORP over 1 with PG surely being in the 3+ range if he played the entire season. The Kings have Sabonis and Barnes as the only two players over 1 at the moment.
It's not a perfect stat by any means but it does show a pretty good job overall of who is impacting the games and who isn't. There are outliers here and there. Like I think Hali's VORP is higher than it should be and Fox's seems like it's lower than it should be but true high usage leaders almost always have a high VORP. Klay Thompson has a lower VORP than you'd expect but most players are about where they should be once you start looking at the stat a bit.
Davion has played 2-3x the minutes as TT so I would say that their VORPs are about correct. TT would likely have the same or slightly worse than Davion if he played the same amount of minutes. We tend to forget that Davion shoots 1-9 every few games with little impact other than maybe a stop here and there and a bunch of fouls. He has been really bad this season. We just have to hope that his good games from this year turn into average games next year and his average games this year are few and far between next year. Otherwise he is going to have trouble sticking around. The refs allowing him to defend would be a step in the right direction.
Along with Holmes, I'm getting the sneaking feeling that Barnes may be traded in the off-season. He doesn't seem to have the aggression and athleticism that I think McNair wants at that position and that this team needs. He should command a pretty high price if McNair does shop him.
Holmes and Barnes for AD!!!!1!1!1!111He’s also a poor pairing defensively with Sabonis. We need a 3 and D rim
Protector type power forward
warriors fans are turning on Klay, maybe we can grab him so he can score 37 points in a quarter again...but for usHolmes and Barnes for AD!!!!1!1!1!111
Along with Holmes, I'm getting the sneaking feeling that Barnes may be traded in the off-season. He doesn't seem to have the aggression and athleticism that I think McNair wants at that position and that this team needs. He should command a pretty high price if McNair does shop him.
I definitely wouldn't want to over pay for Barnes.
He gives you one game of 20+ on great efficiency, then drops like, 6 points on 5 fg attempts the next game.
Awesome when he's on, but I hate that listless Mr Invisible we get every other game.
it's a conundrum of sorts. I think he was brought here to be a vet option behind 3 other guys (Fox, Bagley, Buddy) but right now moving him to get picks or prospects just moves us further back. We need to draft and hopefully package Holmes + for two other starting caliber players that can get Barnes back in that role. But if we ship him we're back to just having two true starters again.Dude would be an excellent compliment piece on a really good team (Hi Warriors!) but isn’t a main piece. Isn’t a second piece. Isn’t even a viable 3rd really.