[KINGS] Comments that don't warrant their own thread (2025-26)

Russell Westbrook's wife received a death threat after the last game. She calls it almost "routine" and says it is tied to online betting. And the NBA actually promotes betting in its ads, even after the Chauncey Billups scandal.

https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/70...ok-wife-sports-betting-email-instagram-kings/

You also have to be searching and checking to see these messages considering they go into the request side of messages on IG nice PR stunt by the westbricks. And Instagram has they literally hidden unless you or your friend knows the sender
 
With the Kings mired in a 15-game losing streak, I wondered how the team's three and a half rookies fared over those 15 games?

+- per 36 minutes
Cardwell -4.9
Carter -12.9
Clifford -6.4
Raynaud -12.3

Net Rating
Cardwell -5.9
Carter -15.4
Clifford -8.1
Raynaud -15.9

FG%
Cardwell 67.3%
Carter 38.8%
Clifford 37.8%
Raynaud 55.4%

3P%
Cardwell 0%
Carter 12.1%
Clifford 32.1%
Raynaud 20%

RB per 36 minutes
Cardwell 9.1
Carter 3.6
Clifford 3.9
Raynaud 7.7

Assists per 36 minutes
Cardwell 1.6
Carter 3.0
Clifford 2.7
Raynaud 1.0

You can draw your own conclusions, but I would say Cardwell is a keeper. Raynaud needs to learn how to pass. Carter and Clifford are just not showing out.
 
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With the Kings mired in a 15-game losing streak, I wondered how the team's three and a half rookies fared over those 15 games?

+- per 36 minutes
Cardwell -4.9
Carter -12.9
Clifford -6.4
Raynaud -12.3

Net Rating
Cardwell -5.9
Carter -15.4
Clifford -8.1
Raynaud -15.9

FG%
Cardwell 67.3%
Carter 38.8%
Clifford 37.8%
Raynaud 55.4%

3P%
Cardwell 0%
Carter 12.1%
Clifford 32.1%
Raynaud 20%

RB per 36 minutes
Cardwell 9.1
Carter 3.6
Clifford 3.9
Raynaud 7.7

Assists per 36 minutes
Cardwell 1.6
Carter 3.0
Clifford 2.7
Raynaud 1.0

You can draw your own conclusions, but I would say Cardwell is a keeper. Raynaud needs to learn how to pass. Carter and Clifford are just not showing out.

Cardwell is definitely cemented in as a backup C at minimum. I don't know if the rest are NBA players. I've been really disappointed with Nique and Carter. Neither guy looks like an NBA player. Raynaud is mostly NBA ready offensively but he's not even remotely close defensively and there's really not much of a place in the league for a 5 that can't play a lick of defense.

With that said, all these guys should be getting max minutes from here on out to see what they've got.
 
Cardwell is definitely cemented in as a backup C at minimum. I don't know if the rest are NBA players. I've been really disappointed with Nique and Carter. Neither guy looks like an NBA player. Raynaud is mostly NBA ready offensively but he's not even remotely close defensively and there's really not much of a place in the league for a 5 that can't play a lick of defense.

With that said, all these guys should be getting max minutes from here on out to see what they've got.

Agreed. But I also wonder if Max has some stretch four potential as well (I think it’s more likely he becomes a decent 3pt shooter than a defensive anchor). Big offseason for him regardless.
 
Cardwell is definitely cemented in as a backup C at minimum. I don't know if the rest are NBA players. I've been really disappointed with Nique and Carter. Neither guy looks like an NBA player. Raynaud is mostly NBA ready offensively but he's not even remotely close defensively and there's really not much of a place in the league for a 5 that can't play a lick of defense.

With that said, all these guys should be getting max minutes from here on out to see what they've got.

Yeah, outside of Cardwell, the statistical profiles are real rough, despite some flashes from Nique/Max/Carter. Cardwell thriving is a major bonus to him and shows he's actually legit to thrive in these conditions. The other guys are basically going through some typical rookie/young player struggles in one of the worst team environments in the league.

Doug spending the first 4 months of this season 1. Not playing them consistently and 2. Even if they got on the floor, they went and stood in the corner to watch DDR/Russ dribble the air out of the ball. And now they're expected to shoulder this massive USG workload when they've been ignored the entire year? Madness.

Max has also drawn the short-end of the stick where he's been the sacrificial lamb to play with the death trio of Russ/LaVine/DDR for a bunch of his minutes this year. Where outside of Russ hitting him in the PnR on occassion... largely ignored and not given a chance to really show his offensive value. I think he's very clearly an NBA player; like he's better than Drew Eubanks and if you go down the line of back-up bigs currently, you'd rather have Max than a good chunk of them, especially going forward. Whether he has more upside than a 12-15 MPG guy with the occasional spot-start? Eh.. But step 1 for a 2nd round pick is just clear the "this guy is an NBA rotation player" hurdle, and I think Max has shown that.

Cardwell is a starting C, right now. He's 10th in the NBA in TRB, He's 3rd in ORB%, he's 4th in the NBA in Block%, he's elite across the board in every defensive advanced statistic, the Kings a +10.8 points better with him on the floor, he's managed a 60.2% TS and the Kings somehow have a better ORtg with him on the floor than off, despite looking like one of the worst offensive players to ever suit up for SL 8 months ago. Also, just an ultimate vibes guy which I actually think does matter to get the home crowd into the game, energize the team, etc. He fouls too much and his FT shooting remains abysmal, but the Kings somehow lucked into another elite defensive talent, this time in a much more impactful position as a rim protector. If we do move off Domas, it should be to get Cardwell into the starting lineup for 30+ MPG.

Not too much to really say about Nique other than overall disappointing. I do think he's been set up to fail, but outside of a few flashes where you see the "jack of all trades" player come out, it's been bad, even in the context of how this team is set-up. He needs a real strong last 25 games here for him to continue to be on a "future rotation player" list for me.

Carter is even more tragic. I don't see how anyone could really expect him to succeed when he's literally been glued to the bench the whole year, all of a sudden thrust into this massive role... only to not play again in the last game. You can see how his confidence has just been utterly shot down and Doug's management of his minutes has been truly abysmal. Maybe he was never meant to work out, but the Kings basically made sure of that fact on how we've managed his development the last 2 years. Like Nique, needs a real strong last 25 games to really be in contention for a future rotation player spot. Which sucks, because I believe in Carters tools whole-heartedly. He gets to the paint at will, he's an impact defender, willing passer and playmaker. He's just too wild and out of control a lot of the time which is something you'd hope to reign in through reps and him just getting consistent floor time. Along with the shooting.

They are both still on rookie scales, so I'm not giving up on either as Kings will be horrible again next season so who cares if they're bad or not. They SHOULD get all next season to establish if they're high-end NBA guys or not. Enough with the Russ Westbrook/Dennis Schroeder/Tyus Jones (who for some reason I could easily see us bringing in next season as the "Vet mentor" PG) and just go let Nique and Dev sink or swim.
 
Cardwell is a starting C, right now. He's 10th in the NBA in TRB, He's 3rd in ORB%, he's 4th in the NBA in Block%, he's elite across the board in every defensive advanced statistic, the Kings a +10.8 points better with him on the floor, he's managed a 60.2% TS and the Kings somehow have a better ORtg with him on the floor than off, despite looking like one of the worst offensive players to ever suit up for SL 8 months ago. Also, just an ultimate vibes guy which I actually think does matter to get the home crowd into the game, energize the team, etc. He fouls too much and his FT shooting remains abysmal, but the Kings somehow lucked into another elite defensive talent, this time in a much more impactful position as a rim protector.

Truly remarkable.
 
Agreed. But I also wonder if Max has some stretch four potential as well (I think it’s more likely he becomes a decent 3pt shooter than a defensive anchor). Big offseason for him regardless.

Why put him at a position he can’t defend and he’s not not even a stretch five right now shooting 25% from three. If he becomes an average three point shooter that would only be valuable as a center not a PF
 
With the Kings mired in a 15-game losing streak, I wondered how the team's three and a half rookies fared over those 15 games?

+- per 36 minutes
Cardwell -4.9
Carter -12.9
Clifford -6.4
Raynaud -12.3

Net Rating
Cardwell -5.9
Carter -15.4
Clifford -8.1
Raynaud -15.9

FG%
Cardwell 67.3%
Carter 38.8%
Clifford 37.8%
Raynaud 55.4%

3P%
Cardwell 0%
Carter 12.1%
Clifford 32.1%
Raynaud 20%

RB per 36 minutes
Cardwell 9.1
Carter 3.6
Clifford 3.9
Raynaud 7.7

Assists per 36 minutes
Cardwell 1.6
Carter 3.0
Clifford 2.7
Raynaud 1.0

You can draw your own conclusions, but I would say Cardwell is a keeper. Raynaud needs to learn how to pass. Carter and Clifford are just not showing out.

Yeah, but out of those 15 games at least half of those were created by the vets. Christie didn't start playing the young guys until well into the disaster. Carter hasn't even been really in the rotation until the last 7 games or so and Clifford has been an afterthought offensively.

Carter per 36 in February is putting up 17 ppg, 6.1 rpg, and 5.5 apg. The 3 point percentage is horrible but if he even shoots 30% he's looking like a 20 ppg scorer in starters minutes during that stretch. The best way to snapshot young guys is what they are actually producing because wholly unproductive players per minute tend to pan out with similar comps. Scoring in particular per 48 can be broken down in 5 ppg chunks. 10-15, 15-20, 20-25, and beyond. Same with games. Take 10 game snapshots. Carter is also right behind Russ at the top of the list in assists per 36 in Feb. So there's your "he's not a PG" answer relative to his teammates, lol. Advanced stats are going to be horrible across the board because they are in the midst of transition and just waiting out the season mostly.
 
Why put him at a position he can’t defend and he’s not not even a stretch five right now shooting 25% from three. If he becomes an average three point shooter that would only be valuable as a center not a PF

At this point I am not sure that he can defend any position. As he gains strength and figures out where to be on defense - I think he could use his length as an advantage.

But yeah - he’d have to be a good 3 pt shooter to play the 4. And he isn’t yet (and has a long way to go).

Overall - I like his touch - but his moves are pretty soft (not a lot of and-1 opportunities). And if he can’t dominate the paint on offense - I don’t know how much value he is adding (I do love his passing).

Bottom line - I don’t see a defensive anchor. I don’t see the potential for him to be that at the 5. So I’m suggesting he go more for the Chet, JJJ, Mobley role than the 5 for a long-term NBA position.
 
Terrible coaching and poor drafting under Michael Jordan's ownership.

i've been watching the hornets A LOT.

if i had to choose today which point guard would i want running my team in the playoffs, steph curry or lamelo ball, i would take ball...

guy has infectious energy and seems to be able to shoot threes from any distance with (seemingly) just a flick of his wrist.

kon kneuppel edges out cooper flagg for ROY

ball, kneuppel and brandon miller (selected directly after wemby) are all shooting almost 90% in free throws

if they make the playoffs, they will surprise some teams.
 
i've been watching the hornets A LOT.

if i had to choose today which point guard would i want running my team in the playoffs, steph curry or lamelo ball, i would take ball...

guy has infectious energy and seems to be able to shoot threes from any distance with (seemingly) just a flick of his wrist.

kon kneuppel edges out cooper flagg for ROY

ball, kneuppel and brandon miller (selected directly after wemby) are all shooting almost 90% in free throws

if they make the playoffs, they will surprise some teams.
His daddy is enough of a reason for me wanting to stay as far away from the kid as humanely possible, lol.
Which does not bode well for the kid, I might add, because, yes, he is a solid point guard.
 
His daddy is enough of a reason for me wanting to stay as far away from the kid as humanely possible, lol.
Which does not bode well for the kid, I might add, because, yes, he is a solid point guard.
I’ve been called a prejudiced old man before, so take this with a grain of salt, but he still hasn’t passed my Ja Morant vibe check. I need to know I’m not going to have to “motivate him to care about the grind” the way that hit piece from McMenamin suggested about the Lakers and Ayton.

Even if I keep it strictly about what happens on the court, I’d still need to see at least one full season of it before I fully trust the product. So far, though, he’s just unorthodox enough to keep defenders guessing (it feels like his one-legged fadeaway three is more reliable than a wide-open set shots). That unpredictability alone makes him a fun watch.
 
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