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Why is everyone sold on Terry Porter? When he coached the Bucks, his record was 41-41 and the 2nd year was 31-53 or something like that.

It's also important to keep in mind that the second year the starting five was a 22 year old Mo Williams, Michael Redd, Desmond Mason, Joe Smith and Dan Gadzuric. Not exactly a fearsome bunch, particularly defensively. TJ Ford missed the entire year due to injury, and on top of that they had injuries to their bench, including half a season missed Mike James, Toni Kukoc and Keith Van Horn each.

If anything I'd say he was a victim of higher expectations due to overachieving the previous season.
 
Kings.com has a poll going

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Of the first round of Kings coaching candidates, whom interests you the most?

Stan Van Gundy
54%

Elston Turner
15%

Reggie Theus
12%

Scott Brooks
8%

Kurt Rambis
5%

Brian Shaw
5%

Tom Thibodeau
1%
 
Slightly off topic but related. I wonder who Adleman will want as his assistants when he gets the Rockets job? Terry Porter? Will he get Pete Carill out of retirement? I don't think he has much of his previous staff that is still available. Maybe TR Dunn.
 
I went and voted for SVG, just because I don't want them to think there is real enthusiasm among the fans for the rest of that list.

I don't hate Brooks or Turner, but I'd rather have Carlesimo, Porter, Carlisle, or even Tomjanovic (not a rookie)
 
not as a head coach maybe as an assistant though. Let him learn under a good coach first before you give him the head coach job.

I still have a hard time seeing Vlade accept the rigors and restrictions of that role. Head coaches are often guys who show up at the office on off days at 6:00am. Vlade is a great guy, but let's just say he's a tad more country club than that.

Scout, GM, special assistant, sure. But a top assistant or head man? To be tied down to a single place and working long long hours for 2/3 of every year? Vlade just impresses as a guy who would rather have time for a wide variety of interests and possibilities than be so locked into one role and one job.
 
I think he is a legit candidate, but I've noted the record last time too. Looks a lot like Muss's pre-Kings record actually. Different though: has deep ties to Geoff, former assistant for us under Adelman (who he played for), former player, leader as a player, and so far as I know not a guy who lost his team last time.. Now as I recall they sucked defensively, but then again they weren't very talented.

Thing is that such a move would seem to be Geoff very clearly steering the ship back into the Adelman era with an Adelman protege, with likely many of the same strengths and weaknesses. A more natural transition, almost like hiring one of Rick's assistants (which Porter was of course) with just the one year delay in between. Wonder how the Maloofs would feel about that? And wonder if that's what we really want to do?

Does he run the princeton offense? I'd love to see it make a return.
 
Does he run the princeton offense? I'd love to see it make a return.

He absorbed some of it, and they used it part time I think in the way Eddie Jordan does. But I wouldn't be too overeager to see it return -- that system has produced a grand total of 0 titles at ANY level (unless you count Ivy League titles for Princeton) and requires highly specialized personnel that we don't really have.

There has been a longstanding question about whether Geroof is basically a one trick pony pushing the Princeton on Sacramento out of loyalty to his old mentor. It, and he, were good when we had the right personnel to run it at an elite level. But it, and he, did not have nearly that level of success once those personnel dissipated. If we're going to bring it back, we would need to pull a rabbit out of the hat to get that type of frontcourt together again. KG, MAYBE Gasol, maybe Jianlian, but some sort of major frontcourt talent to run it through. Keep Brad (sigh), and Bibby (sigh), Kevin (as Peja), Cisco (as Hedo), trade Ron, Trade Reef, maybe audition Price as Bobby...which likely in the end means play crappy defense, make #8, get eliminated in the first round. Familiar drill. :cool:
 
which likely in the end means play crappy defense, make #8, get eliminated in the first round. Familiar drill. :cool:

But it sure would be fun to watch again!!;)

Actually, we really need to move on from all that. New direction, new concept, new identity. I hope that Petrie is up to the task.
 
We might not have the personnel to run the Princeton, but we can run the old school weave play :) We could be the retro offense.
 
He absorbed some of it, and they used it part time I think in the way Eddie Jordan does. But I wouldn't be too overeager to see it return -- that system has produced a grand total of 0 titles at ANY level (unless you count Ivy League titles for Princeton) and requires highly specialized personnel that we don't really have.

There has been a longstanding question about whether Geroof is basically a one trick pony pushing the Princeton on Sacramento out of loyalty to his old mentor. It, and he, were good when we had the right personnel to run it at an elite level. But it, and he, did not have nearly that level of success once those personnel dissipated. If we're going to bring it back, we would need to pull a rabbit out of the hat to get that type of frontcourt together again. KG, MAYBE Gasol, maybe Jianlian, but some sort of major frontcourt talent to run it through. Keep Brad (sigh), and Bibby (sigh), Kevin (as Peja), Cisco (as Hedo), trade Ron, Trade Reef, maybe audition Price as Bobby...which likely in the end means play crappy defense, make #8, get eliminated in the first round. Familiar drill. :cool:

The Princeton is just a variation of the triangle, which has won nine championships in the last 15 years.
 
He absorbed some of it, and they used it part time I think in the way Eddie Jordan does. But I wouldn't be too overeager to see it return -- that system has produced a grand total of 0 titles at ANY level (unless you count Ivy League titles for Princeton) and requires highly specialized personnel that we don't really have.

There has been a longstanding question about whether Geroof is basically a one trick pony pushing the Princeton on Sacramento out of loyalty to his old mentor. It, and he, were good when we had the right personnel to run it at an elite level. But it, and he, did not have nearly that level of success once those personnel dissipated. If we're going to bring it back, we would need to pull a rabbit out of the hat to get that type of frontcourt together again. KG, MAYBE Gasol, maybe Jianlian, but some sort of major frontcourt talent to run it through. Keep Brad (sigh), and Bibby (sigh), Kevin (as Peja), Cisco (as Hedo), trade Ron, Trade Reef, maybe audition Price as Bobby...which likely in the end means play crappy defense, make #8, get eliminated in the first round. Familiar drill. :cool:

It requires specific skills that is true, but so does the triangle and the lakers don't have the skills to really run it as of now and yet they still groom their team for it. We can do the same and since we're rebuilding it wouldn't take an overnight overhaul of the roster. Just gradual building. Anyways, I think we need versatility. A coach that can run a half court/ball movement offense and an up tempo offense, then get players who can fit into both as well. I think versatility is the name of the game in the NBA nowadays.
 
The Princeton is just a variation of the triangle, which has won nine championships in the last 15 years.

a) that's always been overrated. I think in the apst you've already shown you undertstand the details, but while they share principles, the triangle is a post offense literally setting up triangles with one post player and two guys out top at angles from him (multiple triangles actually) while the Princeton is an inverted offense designed to clear the paint for cutters and whatnot (actually their is one position for the center, where Vlade used to set up on the left block, which is in the post, but the bulk of the time the big is handling the ball at the elbow, or for a pure softie like Brad, top of the key. They both emphasize movement and reads more than set isos and whatnot, but the skillsets required are different. The Princeton was designed to make the most of the soft, white, unathletic, preppy nerds who play center for the Tigers, and the soft, white, unathletic, preppy nerds who play guard and small forward for the Tigers and could never in a million years create a shot on their own against a qualified NCAA opponent. And unfortunately the skillsets that make it hum are skillsets that you are going to find overwhelmingly in soft unathletic players who have had to get by with their minds in lieu of talent and ahtleticism. Unfortunately what that means is that the majority of guys who can play the system well and willingly and not have it hold them back, cannot create their own shot, struggle in the post, on the boards, to move or intimidate defensively, and in general to do the things championship teams do in the NBA. We were immensely lucky to stumble across Webb, who was able to play in both worlds and gave us an aura of interior respectability. Doug as well. The system can make the other limited players look better than they are, but even at its most talented it came up just short. And with anything less than near unique talents (how many Webb's have their been in NBA history? Half a dozen?), smart defensive teams in a long playoff series can break down the offense on tape and expose the limitations of the players depending on it. Hence the annual playoff disappearances of Peja, Brad and of late, Mike.

b) if you can come up wiht Michael, Scottie, Shaq or Kobe, we can talk. Of course then the offense may not matter.
 
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The Princeton is just a variation of the triangle, which has won nine championships in the last 15 years.

I remember hearing coachie state on several occasions that the "Princeton offense," is a misnomer. He said that the Princeton offense is actually just a hodge-podge of old Celtic plays taken from Red. He also indicated that he modifies the plays slightly to adapt to existing personnel, but they are still just the old Celtic plays at heart and he is unwilling to take the credit for the plays.

So yeah, the offense has 1-2 titles to its credit.
 
http://www.news10.net/display_story.aspx?storyid=28459

The Sacramento Kings interviewed former Chicago Bulls head coach and Elk Grove native Bill Cartwright Wednesday in Orlando.

Cartwright becomes the eighth person Kings President Geoff Petrie has interviewed for the vacant head coaching position.

Cartwright compiled a record of 51-100 during his two-plus seasons as Bulls head coach from 2001 to 2003. He is currently an assistant with the New Jersey Nets.

By last week, Petrie had already conducted seven preliminary interviews for the position with follow-up discussions expected this week.

Among the potential candidates already interviewed: Detroit assistant Terry Porter, former Miami Heat coach Stan Van Gundy, Lakers assistants Kurt Rambis and Brian Shaw, former Kings assistant Elston Turner, New Mexico State coach and former King Reggie Theus and Kings assistant Scott Brooks
 
a) that's always been overrated. I think in the apst you've already shown you undertstand the details, but while they share principles, the triangle is a post offense literally setting up triangles with one post player and two guys out top at angles from him (multiple triangles actually) while the Princeton is an inverted offense designed to clear the paint for cutters and whatnot (actually their is one position for the center, where Vlade used to set up on the left block, which is in the post, but the bulk of the time the big is handling the ball at the elbow, or for a pure softie like Brad, top of the key. They both emphasize movement and reads more than set isos and whatnot, but the skillsets required are different. The Princeton was designed to make the most of the soft, white, unathletic, preppy nerds who play center for the Tigers, and the soft, white, unathletic, preppy nerds who play guard and small forward for the Tigers and could never in a million years create a shot on their own against a qualified NCAA opponent. And unfortunately the skillsets that make it hum are skillsets that you are going to find overwhelmingly in soft unathletic players who have had to get by with their minds in lieu of talent and ahtleticism. Unfortunately what that means is that the majority of guys who can play the system well and willingly and not have it hold them back, cannot create their own shot, struggle in the post, on the boards, to move or intimidate defensively, and in general to do the things championship teams do in the NBA. We were immensely lucky to stumble across Webb, who was able to play in both worlds and gave us an aura of interior respectability. Doug as well. The system can make the other limited players look better than they are, but even at its most talented it came up just short. And with anything less than near unique talents (how many Webb's have their been in NBA history? Half a dozen?), smart defensive teams in a long playoff series can break down the offense on tape and expose the limitations of the players depending on it. Hence the annual playoff disappearances of Peja, Brad and of late, Mike.

b) if you can come up wiht Michael, Scottie, Shaq or Kobe, we can talk. Of course then the offense may not matter.

I disagree on the thing about its success in the NCAA. This year, Georgetown proved it could be done if you had the athletes And other teams have taken variations of it and done very well. West Virginia ran a similar system and went to the elite 8 and was an overtime away from going to the final four. And that team came out of nowhere and was filled with unathletic white guys.

The princeton offense and its variations work to out-execute teams which is much easier in collegiate basketball since a lot of good teams just rely on athleticism to beat their opponents. Many of the top teams in college basketball get bamboozled by teams that run motion offenses because they don't know how to defend an offense that's so precise. Georgetown smoked almost everyone because they were running it with good athletes. It's almost impossible to have teams that are coached up enough to defend that because upper-tier teams have huge levels of turnover when it comes to their players. Everyone's going to the NBA so quickly now and only smaller teams are capable of retaining all their players for 4 years.

As for the NBA, you're exactly right. It takes the right personnel which is why we'll probably never see the Sacramento version of that offense ever again. You'll see teams like Utah that use a lot of motion but don't rely on it like Sacramento did. I expect Houston to do the same thing. Yao will still be a low-post player but they'll run princeton-oriented plays and make him play on the high-post every now and then. We'll see more motion offense type plays along with the usual ISO sets.
 
I did hear Grant comment that Elston Turner had a very good interview. I almost half expected him to be on his way to Houston. But he may have a legit shot at the position.
 
I did hear Grant comment that Elston Turner had a very good interview. I almost half expected him to be on his way to Houston. But he may have a legit shot at the position.


Elston having a good interview is kind of...well beside the point. Geoff didn't need to interview him -- he already knows all there is to know. He's not a candidate anyplace else because he's not considered a top top assistant, at least yet. He's back as part of the Geoff/Rick circle. Geoff appears to somewhat disturbingly be looking for safety blanket guys here. Friends and family -- his own version of the Whiz bungle by the Maloofs. In any case, Elston's fate is more tied to the Maloofs than anything else. They basically canned him only a year ago, they know he's Adelman's guy. That's tough to see. And if he did get hired ownership would have him on a short leash to say the least.
 
http://www.sacbee.com/100/story/201038.html

Rambis, Van Gundy will meet with Maloofs
By Scott Howard-Cooper - Bee Staff Writer

Last Updated 3:02 pm PDT Thursday, May 31, 2007

Stan Van Gundy, former coach of the Miami Heats, will meet with the owners of the Kings to discuss the team's coaching vacancy.

With eight candidates now having interviewed in at least three different locations for the Kings vacant head coaching job, Kurt Rambis and Stan Van Gundy have emerged as the leading figures for the position - league sources confirmed that both will next meet with team co-owners Joe and Gavin Maloof.

Sources would not comment on record because of the ongoing interview process.

The two former head coaches and veteran assistants, Van Gundy with the Heat and Rambis with the Lakers, are not necessarily the absolute finalists. The Kings are expected to interview Pistons assistant Terry Porter at the end of Detroit's season, and the patience to talk with Porter is likewise telling.

Also, there is the possibility of others from the original interview list meeting with the Maloofs.
 
i thought that was an infraction. from what my inside sources have told me, the kings have thier eyes set on porter but are waiting for the pistons postseason to end.


No, you can do it I think wiht the other team;s permission. I remember the same thing was going on with Iavaroni, and apparently it was ok if he did, but he just wanted to focus on helping the Suns.

I'm not at all unhappy with an SVG and Rambis duo, possibly joined by Porter. All those guys have previous NBA experience. Still liek SVG as he has previous SUCCESSFUL NBA experience.
 
I don't think he's had 2 interviews with GP!
SVG had one interview with GP. The Maloofs are the next step. Basically this means Rambis and SVG have made it through the first screening.

My understanding is, assistants can interview before their team is done for the season. After all, Iavaroni annonced his availablity to be interviewed while the Suns were still playing. He must've had an ok from the Suns to say such a thing. Not sure I would have been a happy Suns fans to hear that while my team's still in it, tho.

However, GP said he would not talk to any assistants until their season was over, period.
 
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