Kings/Clippers trade idea

[Entity]

Alot of us have been coming up with ways to get Kaman. I got to thinking and looking at the roster of the Clippers.

They have Baron Davis at 12mil Griffin at 5mil and jordan at less than a mil and Kaman at 10 mil the rest are expiring. Now for the deal They have good young talent with Griffin and Gordon thats a starting point for them. Kaman is eating up cap space he isn't a superstar and isn't going to put them into contention. By the time gordan/griffin and this years pick get in prime Kaman will be in to his 30's.

All that said KT and our 1st round pick for Kaman. They get the expiring plus their own 1st pick and ours to get more talent. Then they have about 40mil in cap sapce this summer to pick up pieces to add.

 

[Kings4life23]

Alot of us have been coming up with ways to get Kaman. I got to thinking and looking at the roster of the Clippers.

They have Baron Davis at 12mil Griffin at 5mil and jordan at less than a mil and Kaman at 10 mil the rest are expiring. Now for the deal They have good young talent with Griffin and Gordon thats a starting point for them. Kaman is eating up cap space he isn't a superstar and isn't going to put them into contention. By the time gordan/griffin and this years pick get in prime Kaman will be in to his 30's.

All that said KT and our 1st round pick for Kaman. They get the expiring plus their own 1st pick and ours to get more talent. Then they have about 40mil in cap sapce this summer to pick up pieces to add.

No way this is not worth it ya Kaman tears us up but know one else hes good but i would much rather keep the pick and expiring and see what i can get in the draft or free agency and wish upon a star for bosh lol man reke and bosh i cant stop smileing when i think about that lol........

 

[Merdiesel]

Alot of us have been coming up with ways to get Kaman. I got to thinking and looking at the roster of the Clippers.

They have Baron Davis at 12mil Griffin at 5mil and jordan at less than a mil and Kaman at 10 mil the rest are expiring. Now for the deal They have good young talent with Griffin and Gordon thats a starting point for them. Kaman is eating up cap space he isn't a superstar and isn't going to put them into contention. By the time gordan/griffin and this years pick get in prime Kaman will be in to his 30's.

All that said KT and our 1st round pick for Kaman. They get the expiring plus their own 1st pick and ours to get more talent. Then they have about 40mil in cap sapce this summer to pick up pieces to add.

ok, now why would we do this again??? Our biggest expiring and our first?!

Kings would be laughed at if this trade went down.

 

[Bricklayer]

ok, now why would we do this again??? Our biggest expiring and our first?!

Kings would be laughed at if this trade went down.

Kaman's a double double center, and that first may be trending out towards #10-#15 rather than a high pick. Actually, scratch that -- so far Kaman's numebrs would actually land him in the All Star game if he were on abetter team. 19.0pts 8.4reb 1.4blk? Not sure if I would do that ir not, giving up two of our best trade pieces, but that would be a major and immediate patch of the frontline. Give us bulk, depth and 48mins of starting qiulaity minutes at both spots.

Ponder -- rihgt now we have:

Thompson 34.5min 14.5pts 9.4reb 1.2blk
Hawes 28.4min 11.8pts 6.8reb 1.3blk

that leaves 19.6 + 13.5 = 33.1min available. Add Kaman who is averaging:

Kaman 37.1min 19.0pts 8.4reb 1.4blk

And you would only have to shave 4 minutes from the three players combined to fit him right in. When you consider these are the three players who's minutes he would primarily be taking:

May 11.5min 2.9pts 1.9reb 0.1blk
Brockman 9.9min 2.6pts 3.6reb 0.0blk
Thomas 13.8min 1.4pts 4.5reb 0.6blk

that would be a pretty huge leap in frontcourt talent. And we'd be BIG.

 

[Entity]

Thats what I was thinking. If this trade happens. Where is out hole then?

Sure we can have pipe dreams of Bosh or whoever but what is it like 26 teams will be under the cap this year? Will we really be the chosen ones that get 1 of the top 10 in FA this summer? I doubt it.

 

[The Astronaut]

Kaman's a double double center, and that first may be trending out towards #10-#15 rather than a high pick. Actually, scratch that -- so far Kaman's numebrs would actually land him in the All Star game if he were on abetter team. 19.0pts 8.4reb 1.4blk? Not sure if I would do that ir not, giving up two of our best trade pieces, but that would be a major and immediate patch of the frontline. Give us bulk, depth and 48mins of starting qiulaity minutes at both spots.

Ponder -- rihgt now we have:

Thompson 34.5min 14.5pts 9.4reb 1.2blk
Hawes 28.4min 11.8pts 6.8reb 1.3blk

that leaves 19.6 + 13.5 = 33.1min available. Add Kaman who is averaging:

Kaman 37.1min 19.0pts 8.4reb 1.4blk

And you would only have to shave 4 minutes from the three players combined to fit him right in. When you consider these are the three players who's minutes he would primarily be taking:

May 11.5min 2.9pts 1.9reb 0.1blk
Brockman 9.9min 2.6pts 3.6reb 0.0blk
Thomas 13.8min 1.4pts 4.5reb 0.6blk

that would be a pretty huge leap in frontcourt talent. And we'd be BIG.

This is a really great point. I think we should be packaging up our 2010 1st round pick with whoever we trade to get more value in return while the pick still seems to have value (potential lottery). This Kings team will finish close to .500 IMO and that pick becomes just ok. btw Kaman is a beast who I would love for us to have but he is prone to injuries. but then again who on the clips isn't prone to injuries?

 

[Nighthawk1]

Alot of us have been coming up with ways to get Kaman. I got to thinking and looking at the roster of the Clippers.

They have Baron Davis at 12mil Griffin at 5mil and jordan at less than a mil and Kaman at 10 mil the rest are expiring. Now for the deal They have good young talent with Griffin and Gordon thats a starting point for them. Kaman is eating up cap space he isn't a superstar and isn't going to put them into contention. By the time gordan/griffin and this years pick get in prime Kaman will be in to his 30's.

All that said KT and our 1st round pick for Kaman. They get the expiring plus their own 1st pick and ours to get more talent. Then they have about 40mil in cap sapce this summer to pick up pieces to add.

I'll start off by I like Kaman, and I would want him on this team. But the same could be said for our team as well. We're younger then the Clips, and by the time our kids enter the prime Kaman would be the same. This is a deal to ponder at the trade deadline for sure - if we know we're actually one of those teams fighting for a playoff spot through just pure competitivness.

I would do this trade... but it would be a hard pill to swallow if we have a crack at a top 10 draft pick for some people...

 

[Entity]

I like Kaman, but I don't know if I like the idea of using KT and a 1st Rounder to get him. While he would be an obvious upgrade over what we have, adding him to Hawes and JT gives you three offensive-minded bigs, who aren't necessarily defensive slouches and are reasonably good rebounders, but who don't really give you that dirty work big that I think the team needs.

Unfortunately, the list of properly-sized dirty-work bigs around the league is pretty short, and the ones that could be traded for (Chandler, Okafor, Dalembert) all have their own set of problems.

Lotto picks are just too valuable to trade - not only do you have a good shot at a good player, you get them cheaply for four years.

Remember Justin Williams defense against yao and his shot blocking and rebounding ability. what about giving him a workout. I know he brings nothing offensivly but he is a dirty work guy.

 

[bajaden]

Remember Justin Williams defense against yao and his shot blocking and rebounding ability. what about giving him a workout. I know he brings nothing offensivly but he is a dirty work guy.

I doubt were going to see Justin back here anytime soon. But, I like aquiring Kaman. He's a legit center, and some could argue he should start over Hawes. I'd love to have him on the team. I'm not crazy about giving up our first this year, because I think this is going to be a pretty deep draft. I'd offer a 2011 pick instead and see if they bite. That would also give us more time to aquire another first between now and then.

 

[Sptsjunkie]

Smaller trade idea with the Clippers that gets us more cap space and a younger big.

Kings trade: Andres Nocioni

Clippers trade: DeAndre Jordan, Ricky Davis, Rasual Butler

Why the Clippers do it: Nocioni instantly makes them a better team this year. He replaces their weakest starter in Al Thornton. It gives them a much better 3 point shooter to help spread the floor.

Why the Kings do it: DeAndre gives them a young big who would instantly back up Spencer and be a instant upgrade over May. Jordan also is very young and has a lot of upside. Butler and Davis are both expiring contracts. As soon as the trade was completed I would expect the Kings to waive/buy out Davis.

If either team hesitates, I would imagine it would be the Clippers if the like Jordan's potential and envision him backing up Kaman and Griffin after Camby's contract expires at the end of the season (assuming they don't want to bring him back cheaper).

 

[Kingster]

I'll start off by I like Kaman, and I would want him on this team. But the same could be said for our team as well. We're younger then the Clips, and by the time our kids enter the prime Kaman would be the same. This is a deal to ponder at the trade deadline for sure - if we know we're actually one of those teams fighting for a playoff spot through just pure competitivness.

I would do this trade... but it would be a hard pill to swallow if we have a crack at a top 10 draft pick for some people...

You don't do any trade of this sort unless you protect the top 10. I can see it now. The Kings end up with the 7th worst record in the league. So and so team gets the rights. So and so team gets the #1 pick in the entire draft. Mass suicide in Sacramento is reported...

 

[NoBonus]

Kaman for Kenny does not work on paper; the Kings would need to include another player.

http://www.realgm.com/src_checktrade.php?tradeid=5314732


The Jordan, RDavis, and Butler for Nocioni works, but what do you have against Nocinoni that you would want to send him to the Clippers?
http://www.realgm.com/src_checktrade.php?tradeid=5314735

 

[Sptsjunkie]

The Jordan, RDavis, and Butler for Nocioni works, but what do you have against Nocinoni that you would want to send him to the Clippers?
http://www.realgm.com/src_checktrade.php?tradeid=5314735

Lol, nothing against him. I actually love the veteran presence he has given this team, but we will have a log jam at SG/SF once KMart and Cisco get back and I would love to move a longer contract for a young, defensive big with good upside.

 

[Capt. Factorial]

Kaman for Kenny does not work on paper; the Kings would need to include another player.

http://www.realgm.com/src_checktrade.php?tradeid=5314732

That appears to be a mistake by RealGM. First, the Kings are under the cap and could add over $4M in salary without having to conform to the 125% + 100K rule. Second, even if not, Kaman's salary ($10.4M) falls within the acceptable range (Kenny is at $8.775M). The numbers should be fine either way.

Oh, just noticed that Kaman has a $4M trade kicker. That's the issue. Carry on.