kings better resign thornton....
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kingsfan101
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As of now, it seems fairly obvious that we should have him back. I do wonder though, how his game shall be impacted once Reke returns. Also, since he is an RFA, if he gets some crazy offer, it shall be a tough call.
The good news is that this has likely provided us with a first major trade chip, if we were to go that route. Most of our players were either untouchable (Reke, Cousins, except for some obvious no brainer, which is not likely to happen anyway), or had limited market value (Thought Landry had more value when we traded him, but Thornton is proving me wrong).
Thornton might get us a good haul if we choose to trade him, since, I am not sure how minutes shall be divided between him and Reke (not to mention Cisco, and even Taylor).
OTOH, this makes it easier to trade Cisco and Taylor, if we can get something good in return. Let's see.
The good news is that this has likely provided us with a first major trade chip, if we were to go that route. Most of our players were either untouchable (Reke, Cousins, except for some obvious no brainer, which is not likely to happen anyway), or had limited market value (Thought Landry had more value when we traded him, but Thornton is proving me wrong).
Thornton might get us a good haul if we choose to trade him, since, I am not sure how minutes shall be divided between him and Reke (not to mention Cisco, and even Taylor).
OTOH, this makes it easier to trade Cisco and Taylor, if we can get something good in return. Let's see.
Glenn
Hall of Famer
So we are a team desperate for an outside threat, we find a major outside threat, and all you you can think of is how much you could get in trade for him? What do you want? An outside threat? I'm not on this wave length at all and as a matter of fact, I can't comprehend this mind set at all.
I hope you realize this is an NBA team we are trying to build and it's not just your playground to play junior GM.
I hope you realize this is an NBA team we are trying to build and it's not just your playground to play junior GM.
UK_King
Starter
not fearful about seeing him and tyreke playing together they could be an incredible one two punch.
You have to be excited looking at Tyreke, thornton, cousins + maybe a free agent and a maybe a high draft pick.
All that really matters now is developing that chemistry between marcus and tryreke when reke comes back.
You have to be excited looking at Tyreke, thornton, cousins + maybe a free agent and a maybe a high draft pick.
All that really matters now is developing that chemistry between marcus and tryreke when reke comes back.
kingsfan101
Starter
If he and Reke can play together, great. Else, he's our best trade chip now.
stevetaebo
Bench
How much would it be to re-sign Thornton based on other similar players out there? Ray Felton signed a two-year contract worth $15.8 million.
Granted the CBA might change the overall value of players.
Granted the CBA might change the overall value of players.
This is the issue.
bajaden
Hall of Famer
Considering that he's making around 800 thousand right now, 3 or 4 mil would probably look good to him. As an aside, I don't understand why people have any fear about Tyreke and Thornton playing together. Their styles, while similar in some ways, are also quite different. The bottom line is that who ever puts the ball in the basket the most times wins. So having another good shooter on the floor isn't a detriment. There's nothing wrong with having five players on the floor that can score the ball. The key is getting them all to play team basketball. Move the ball and not care who ends up with the most points as long as the team wins.
Cousins made the statement that he doesn't care if he scores any points, as long as the team wins. Now I don't totally believe that, but I do think he's a team player, and very unselfish. So the question is, if Tyreke only scores 14 or 15 points instead of 20 or 25 pts, but has 8 or 9 assists a game, will he be happy with that as long as the team is winning? The truth is, on a good team, if you get hot, your teammates will keep feeding you the ball until you cool off. Much like last night when they kept setting up Thornton. He just never cooled off.
Tyreke to me has never seemed like the guy who has to get his points. I think we've asked him to bear the scoring load because we've had no other consistent option. Ultimately, I think Thornton's numbers will go down when Evans comes back, moreso than Evans's numbers going down to 15 ppg. (Don't they have to, unless Thornton ends up scoring 30+ a night?)
Let's just say I'm cautiously optimistic right now that we have shored up the backcourt and can focus more on SF.
Bricklayer
Don't Make Me Use The Bat
Its not jsut the backcourt that's shored -- and on that point I don't think its impossible that Reke/Beno/Thronton might just be good enough going forward, in particular if you could add a defensive roleplayer somehow. But the other thing about Thronton coming in here and showing this kind of explosiveness, is that he looks like he might be the 3rd weapon. The #3 guy. And what that does is bring guys like Prince and Battier etc. into the pictire as we start needing more defense and saavy out fo that SF spot than we do offense. If an ever improving DeMarcus and Sammy and maybe JT or a similr replacement sets our frontcourt with size, rebounding etc. and Reke/Beno/Thronton sets our backcourt wiht scoring and explosiveness, then what do you need out of the SF? Defense and glue.
We're not there yet, but you can see the potential shape of things to come. One day we can face off with the Bulls in the Finals and after Reke/Rose, Boogie/Boozer and Daly/Noah get done moshing around, the series can be determined by who wins the Deng/Thornton matchup.
What this has also done is started to turn this summer into one as much about retention as addition. Retain Daly as he and Cousins have started to look really good starting next to each other. Retain Thronton as either the starting SG or 6th man/thrid guard in a three guard rotation. Then use the rest of the money to land the top SF we need...although maybe now top defense will be as key as top offense. Add in a top draft pick, a few roleplayer maneuverings, and let things just marinate. This team could be a lot closer than people think. Well, at least some people. That quiet little deadline move may have found us our Jeff Green type character.
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Entity
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Its not jsut the backcourt that's shored -- and on that point I don't think its impossible that Reke/Beno/Thronton might just be good enough going forward, in particular if you could add a defensive roleplayer somehow. But the other thing about Thronton coming in here and showing this kind of explosiveness, is that he looks like he might be the 3rd weapon. The #3 guy. And what that does is bring guys like Prince and Battier etc. into the pictire as we start needing more defense and saavy out fo that SF spot than we do offense. If an ever improving DeMarcus and Sammy and maybe JT or a similr replacement sets our frontcourt with size, rebounding etc. and Reke/Beno/Thronton sets our backcourt wiht scoring and explosiveness, then what do you need out of the SF? Defense and glue.
We're not there yet, but you can see the potential shape of things to come. One day we can face off with the Bulls in the Finals and after Reke/Rose, Boogie/Boozer and Daly/Noah get done moshing around, the series can be determined by who wins the Deng/Thornton matchup.
What this has also done is started to turn this summer into one as much about retention as addition. Retain Daly as he and Cousins have started to look really good starting next to each other. Retain Thronton as either the starting SG or 6th man/thrid guard in a three guard rotation. Then use the rest of the money to land the top SF we need...although maybe now top defense will be as key as top offense. Add in a top draft pick, a few roleplayer maneuverings, and let things just marinate. This team could be a lot closer than people think. Well, at least some people. That quiet little deadline move may have found us our Jeff Green type character.
Can we not get that SF out of the 3 we got Greene, Casspi, and Garcia? Garcia is the ultimate glue guy. plays good defense has range and is good ball handler. health is his issue. Greene has great defense and size has offensive tools but his game is slow in its evolution. Casspi has heart hustle range and has shown some defense at times as well as being more athletic than most people think. Soo which 2 of those SF do we need to keep??? or do we keep 1 and go after another?
SCKingsfan
Bench
We don't have a quality enough starter there. We need someone there that can begin to move us forward now. I like Cisco off the bench. I like Casspi's hustle and longer-term potential. It's clear to me we can lock in someone at the SF position that bring a strong combination of shooting, consistency, defense, veteran leadership and championship experience, ability to move the ball. Yeah, someone like Prince.
kingsfan101
Starter
At least for me, it boils down to seeing them play together for a reasonable time (around 20 games or so at least), to decide. We have been playing Reke with Beno a lot this year. Call Reke PG, or combo guard or whatever. Point is, we have not had him as the primary ball handler.
I don't know all the motivations behind trading Kevin, but I guess, in part at least, it was driven by adding more ball handling, and pure PG play, to the back court. If so, we shall have similar issues with Thornton, unless we feel that Reke can be the primary PG (where he shall have a huge size advantage over virtually anyone).
And then finally, our decision shall be driven by whom we draft. If we get, say Irving, we shall have a crowded back court with Reke, Beno, Thornton, Irving as the primary guys, along with Cisco (I think he is better at 2 than 3), and if we decide to keep any of Taylor, Jeter (hoping and fairly sure that Head won't be back).
We have to see which guys can we keep, and at what price. If we do get Irving, we shall probably want to trade one of Beno, Cisco and Thornton. Given the contracts and production, I think Thornton shall get us the most value.
Entity
Hall of Famer
it was really a question for brick but Casspi seems to have the potential to grow into that role. Greene just not coming around. Garcia is the best option right now except against the bigger SF's he has trouble. But his ability to run the offense and handle the ball would be key with a backcourt of evans and thorton.
Bricklayer
Don't Make Me Use The Bat
No, I think that if this season has proven anything its that we are not likely to get that guy out of the guys we have. And certainly not in time to make some noise in the near future. We have a hole. We can't just sit idle and keep the same team that is going to win 20 games.
As for Cisco -- I generally agree about him as a glue guy. Contract aside, I think he could have value...as a bencher going forward. Of course if you add him to the keeps, the light begins to shine mighty hard on the young guys there.
He's too old and that whole player revolt thiing is a giant stinkbomb over there, but if you had Tayshaun Prince as your starter there next year, backed up by Cisco, it would be a huge step toward stability, championship experience, and defensive competence. For a few years of course until Prince got old.
sidney
Starter
Nice thing about Prince too is that in addition to the defense, good size for his position, championship experience, etc. he's also enough of an offensive weapon that he has to be guarded. He'll drop an efficient 20 pt game if he is given enough shots but he doesn't need to most of the time. He shouldn't be terribly expensive either. Anything a little above the MLE (if there even is an MLE) should get it done. No one is going to pay 10M/year for a 14PT 29yo SF.
An offseason that signs Prince, Thornton, Dalembert + a top 5 lotto pick would put us in a great position.
Entity
Hall of Famer
Thats my problem with Prince and Battier is the age. I know Cisco is older as well but like we agreed he is there and is a definate glue and would happily come of the bench. So that being said. What younger player 25-27 is out there that fits the mold that could be had for the right trade. ala Casspi + 1st rounder or ect...
Bricklayer
Don't Make Me Use The Bat
Alas, Prince just turned 31. That is the hole in the Prince theory. Get maybe 3-4 good years out of him. Of course if it worked out those 3-4 years would be long enough to firmly establish us as a perennial playoff team and potential contender, and when it came time to replace him we could have people lining up. Other thing of course is convincing him to come here. Plaewyrs often have poor imaginations about such things, and when they reacht hat point in their career when they "want to play for a winner" most of them appear to have a hard time seeing past who was a winner last year, and looking to the future.
Bricklayer
Don't Make Me Use The Bat
We've got a ton of money to spend in free agency. Its the easier route to go in trying to fill that role. But yeah, we have trade chips too. Lots of possibilities. Getting that defensive stopper though might require us to go older. Jeff Green himself could be a possiblity as the SF. Never meant to be a big scorer in the elague, but good rebounder, passer. Young and from a quality team. I don't know what to say about his defense as a SF, but whatever. Lots of posiblities. We are a team on the move now, lots of young talent, lots of assets. No reason for us to just settle with inconsitent mediocre play form that posioon, no matter which way we decide to go with it.
sidney
Starter
What do you think about Kirilenko? A similar lanky defender SF. He's 30 though as well
Bricklayer
Don't Make Me Use The Bat
Pierce, LeBron, Iggy, Granger etc. are all good. There was hope for Batum. But as far as veteran defensive specialist type stabilizers? Yeah, never going to be many of those around at any one time.
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