Tetsujin
The Game Thread Dude
Contrary to popular belief, you can't have your cake and eat it too. Talent and cheap are rarely used in the same sentence in the NBA rhetoric.
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Contrary to popular belief, you can't have your cake and eat it too. Talent and cheap are rarely used in the same sentence in the NBA rhetoric.
Tetsujin
The Game Thread Dude
RookieOfTheDay
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Oddly I feel the same thing about what you have been saying.
I'm not trying to come off that way. I'm not suggesting anyone is wrong if they don't agree with me.
Rudy Gay is beside the point, but he was the example that was thrown out there. Either way, we're in a good position to NOT overspend on any FA out there. I'm sure we'll look for a shooter in next year's draft. SG is probably the easiest position to fill. Even if Garcia pans out.
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Nikefutbolero
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Please remind yourself that you're in Sacramento and not many people want to go to a rebuilding team in a small market like Sacramento.
Oh please. Not the "we don't know what Petrie is up to" argument. Regardless of whether you think we need to make moves or sit and let the young guys play, I can't stand when people use that argument. It make speculative message board debates useless. Agree or not about petrie's performance but don't dismiss opinions based on what we may or may not know about what happens behind the scenes.
It's just as valid as assuming that he didn't do anything at all. We can't ever know what truly goes on behind the scenes. Judging by the signings, again, it seems as though we're content with the two-deep, and just want to fill the roster to the minimum to give those 10 the bulk of the minutes. A big name signing would imply that the FO isn't happy with who is on the roster.
SacKings7
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Ok, so Petrie's job only consists of making a trade once a year and signing players to fill out the roster, and everything Petrie does including what he ate for breakfast this morning is announced to the public.
Whether you want to dismiss the argument or not is up to yourself, but we both know it's true. You think Petrie was sitting down in April watching a Raptors game and saying to himself "Damn I gotta sign that Antoine Wright immediately!"? I didn't think so. Wright was most likely Petrie's backup plan to his backup plan.The Hammer
All-Star
In all of your arguments you are completely ignoring the context of the Kings situation which includes a looming CBA, a youth core, a teetering arena, a rebuilding process that has stages, etc. You make these blind statements about what a winning team "needs". None of your points really make sense, and it's not because your opinions are "different".
RookieOfTheDay
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I haven't ignored any of that. Those things are all readily apparent. Those things and acquiring a FA don't have to be mutually exclusive, though.
The Hammer
All-Star
I'll put it to you again then, who would you have signed? And at what price? And, who's minutes would they be taking?
RookieOfTheDay
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I can't say who I would have signed because I don't know what it would have took to get them, or ultimately if any of them would have even been willing to come here at any price. Like I've stated several times now, my disappointment isn't so much rooted in the fact that they didn't acquire a quality FA, but in the fact that it doesn't appear that any serious effort was even made to acquire one.
I'm not even sure I agree that Petrie doesn't do anything but for the sake of argument, what would need to happen to suggest that Petrie isn't aggressively pursuing deals (trades, signings)? Besides a lack of consistently meaningful trades and signings?Ok, so Petrie's job only consists of making a trade once a year and signing players to fill out the roster, and everything Petrie does including what he ate for breakfast this morning is announced to the public.
The Hammer
All-Star
So, you would like Petrie to be more public in his dealings and preparations? And you know that he didn't make any serious runs how? By the way, Jerry did say that we made calls to Lebron. They just weren't returned. Watch Jerry's Take.
Your argument is sounding more like general spew than an actual argument. Reason: you can't prove what you're arguing is true. It's the appearance of not aggressively going after guys that you are disappointed in, I get that. But I'll tell you what-- in general I prefer the moves my GM makes to be unexpected. Oh I want them to be good. I just don't want everybody and their brother to be able to anticipate them. Now yes, free agency is a bit different in that it's a bidding war, but look at our team dude... we have too much young talent that we need to develop and evaluate to bring on a 9-12 mil guy. The ONLY possible slot would be at the 2. But there are going to be 2's available next offseason. And besides... as many posters have stated Evans and Cousins will eventually be max guys, Donte may be pricey too. And with the CBA looming, us needing to evaluate our young talent, I'm actually happy that Petrie didn't go after any one. In fact, him NOT going after anyone aggressively is precisely the reason I am impressed.
SacKings7
Starter
Nothing needs to happen. The point is, why do people assume that the only transactions he makes are the only attempts at transactions? It just doesn't make any sense. To me, it's like thinking that the players only play basketball when there's games scheduled. They don't practice, they don't work out, they just show up on game day and that's it.
The Hammer
All-Star
You do know what it took to get them by looking at what they signed for. But then again, the guys who signed with Miami, LA, etc signed for BELOW their value, so you can tack on a a few mil if you wanted one of those guys. So let's play the game with the assumption that it would have taken at least what guys have signed for to get them to come to Sac.... (and often times smaller market teams do have to overpay to get stars).... who would you have wanted?
So if a player that was in poor shape continued to show up fat every season would you still assume he was working out and eating right simply because you weren't in the gym and his house?
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Kingsguy881
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Threads like these not only show people's ignorance and impatience, but serve as a reminder that TDOS is officially in full swing.
Of course, everyone is ignorant if they think the team needs to be more aggressive in filling needs. Thankfully you're here to help enlighten everyone with your wit.
RookieOfTheDay
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I don't have to assume, they made it clear that they didn't have any big FA plans. And won't some of the Kings be covered under the Larry Bird exception when it comes time for resigning?
The Hammer
All-Star
There are times to be "aggressive" and then there are times to wait and let your young talent develop. If you are one of the people that thinks we should have been more "aggressive" who would you have targeted either through trade or free agency?
Do we even know what our needs are yet? Last year we needed a center, we needed to bolster our front court. We've done that. We needed to move Noc who was becoming a pest and getting in the way of developing Omri and Donte. We've done that. We needed to add some defensive toughness, although that is not certain we appear to have done that with our 3 new bigs and the departure of Hawes. We moved a scoring man at the 2 spot who was becoming a distraction for our superstud rookie PG. There is a hole to fill there, but what kind of hole? Probably a defensive one, and we've got Cisco coming back healthy and he might be able to fill that role. We don't quite know, but why commit money ahead of time to find out? We've already made far more moves and overhauls than a few of you seem to acknowledge. How can you properly gauge the progress so far if we just keep piling on? We actually have the luxury of watching this work in progress, assessing our needs and reacting appropriately.
That official position only came out once this off-season started. It was an entirely different tale when they made cap clearing deals the last two years. In fact I argued with many members of this board at the time that I felt the deals were lopsided since we didn't get much talent back and the argument was that you had to consider who we signed or traded for before we could evaluate petrie's moves.
The fact is we have some really promising young talent that we've acquired through the draft and as I've always believed Petrie does a great job drafting. I just still think petrie's been too passive and that our needs haven't been completely addressed. Am I a disappointed fan ready to write the team off? No, I'm more excited than I've been in a long time. I'm just sick of people on this board jumping down posters throats if they aren't totally satisfied with our moves.
The fact is we have some really promising young talent that we've acquired through the draft and as I've always believed Petrie does a great job drafting. I just still think petrie's been too passive and that our needs haven't been completely addressed. Am I a disappointed fan ready to write the team off? No, I'm more excited than I've been in a long time. I'm just sick of people on this board jumping down posters throats if they aren't totally satisfied with our moves.
The Hammer
All-Star
Thank you. Thank you so much.
RookieOfTheDay
Starter
I'm new here, but judging by how defensive some people here seem, I was beginning to wonder if some of the folks around here are employed by The Kings in some manner or other, lol.
I think we do know what some of our needs are. A better long term solution at the 2. Better outside shooting to open up the court for Evans and cousins. Passing and ball handlers at the swing positions since our star is more effective as a scorer than passer and our backup point is also mre shoot first. Defenders at the 1 and 2 since we lack the players to guard the quicker smalls in the league. Veteran leadership.
This statement is an example of the Burden of Proof fallacy. In the first place, lack of public evidence of action is not evidence of inaction: general managers are not obligated to disclose any negotiations to the public. And, in the second place, there has been evidence of action: there are many more ways to improve your team than by signing a free agent. In order for the above quoted statement to be considered a reasonable argument, it would require a consensus opinion that us not signing an eight-figure salary free agent (e.g. Rudy Gay) is the metaphorical equivalent to showing up to camp "fat and out of shape." Your "out of shape" metaphor doesn't hold up, unless you don't consider drafting Cousins and Whiteside (clearly addressing a previous weakness in our team), or trading Hawes (addition by subtraction) and Nocioni (freeing up time for Greene and Casspi) to be evidence of "getting in shape."
Frankly, the reason why you're getting such strong opposition is not because of being defensive, but because nobody but a handful of people accept your premise, and you've done a terrible job of trying to convey why we should. Your argument requires us to accept your claim that we haven't gotten better, and we haven't taken steps to improve, and most of us simply don't agree with that.
folsomfella
G-League
Wow, this thread blew up! Sadly, no one who has been piling on me has dispelled my concern. We need another shooter and another PG. Evans need to be out of the PG business and who is going to back up Beno? Who is going to back up Garcia?
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