Big Cuz 15
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monies on whether malone can bring denver to more win improvements than karl w/ sac? they got the bosnian boogie over there.
Kings and free agency - part 2
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Serious question to you, Brick etc-Are all of you planning on stopping being fans if we still suck in 2 years and Cuz leaves?
Sac.1989
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^^no because we gave it a real go.
We needed to make a move like this to go to win now mode. We had to give ourselves a crack at bringing in some tap talent to get us not only into the playoffs but beyond given the mistakes of the past season.
We fielded offers to two top tier guards, both of who rejected our offer. It is what it is but we for the first time in over a decade are finally going all out to win and if it falls apart ill still be here because we didnt die wondering.
We needed to make a move like this to go to win now mode. We had to give ourselves a crack at bringing in some tap talent to get us not only into the playoffs but beyond given the mistakes of the past season.
We fielded offers to two top tier guards, both of who rejected our offer. It is what it is but we for the first time in over a decade are finally going all out to win and if it falls apart ill still be here because we didnt die wondering.
theclash4u5
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Again, we said the same thing in 2010 in the JJ Hickson trade and we haven't been able to use that pick to improve our team since. It's seriously handcuffed us every single time we cry and scream for a player like Afflalo at the trade deadline. We have no assets that are tradeable anymore....
Other than Cousins now.
steelevt
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No one is arguing a salary dump is useful. It's what we have up. Some people don't think it was much. Some think it's too much. You want to see how you should do a salary dump? See how the Suns did one just a day or so after we tried. Read about their trade and then compare it to ours
This is how people outside kings land sees us
https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/sacramento-kings-team-just-gave-190600329.html
Gary
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CAP SPACE... Isn't that worth anything when enticing teams to trade with us at the deadline? Are we allowed to use it?
jaysutton2003
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I'd rather have Nik, JT and Landry in the meeting with free agents compared to Vivek...
The Hammer
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It's interesting to me how there seems to be two camps of reactions to moves like this. I think it's a basic difference in life philosophy. I won't try to convert you to mine. But the way I see it, you can't draw up all plans before hand because the landscape changes so frequently, and there's always risk that an unforseen event might occur (injury, etc.). What this does give us are two basic currencies: money, the most obvious one. But also power: the ability to go after who we want. Just because Matthews chose Dallas doesn't mean we've lost that power. There are still plenty of other impact players we can sign.
My guess is once Rondo signs, all the sudden we become a more attractive place to play.
Big Cuz 15
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my question still goes back to... did we get some type of assurance through the agent, player prior to doing that dump because we supposedly had 10m in capspace already. if lets say portland & wes matthews wanted to S&T, i think they'd be interested in taking in a former lotto pick + a serviceable player in JT or landry + TPE to get something out of it.
that proposal will still signal we are TRYING to do something without burning assets to receive nothing.
Mass
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I still think the best thing to do would be signing guys like Beverley, Stuckey and Koufous. Bring back Omri and some minimum vet, and you have an interesting team.
Collison / Beverley
McLemore / Stuckey
Gay / Casspi
WCS / Moreland
DMC / Koufous
Probably we would need another big, but that's a solid team that could win games. Better in my opinion than overspending just for one guy.
Having said that, I have zero confidence something like this will happen. I am at the point I just always expect for the worst outcome.
Collison / Beverley
McLemore / Stuckey
Gay / Casspi
WCS / Moreland
DMC / Koufous
Probably we would need another big, but that's a solid team that could win games. Better in my opinion than overspending just for one guy.
Having said that, I have zero confidence something like this will happen. I am at the point I just always expect for the worst outcome.
Big Cuz 15
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vivek wants splashy moves. i'm sure we will make a splashy move even if its an idiotic one.
Draft2007
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I think many people are assuming that Rondo is plan C for the Kings but I don't think that's the case. The only reason he hasn't visited yet is because he was travelling. In my opinion he instantly makes Ben and WCS better on offense with his passing game. People got soured on him because of the injuries and the absolute horrible fit that he was in Dallas with Carlisle's offense. Even at the beginning of this last season with the Celtics he led the league in assist % while passing to guys like Olynick and Evan Turner. Obviously the risk on him is the attitude but I'd bet on that more than I would Matthews getting back to pre-injury level. An added bonus is that pushing Collision to the bench immediately makes him a top 5 backup point guard. Like other's have mentioned it also allows us to split the money into POTENTIALLY 3 solid players in Rondo($10mil) Koufas($11mil) Bellinelli($5mil)
jcwkings
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Beverley wont come here to be a backup when he's a starter in Houston.
Joseph, Stuckey, Koufos, Casspi is probably more realistic
Gary
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No I will not stop being a fan. If/when Cuz leaves I hope we get something for him... Like maybe the picks we lost?
Who knows. I don't want to think about 2018, and I DEFINITELY don't want to think about that 2.5% chance or whatever that we win the lottery and have to swap with Philadelphia and their 4th pick (if we're back in the lottery next year). Phily will definitely be in the lottery next year.
ockingsfan
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I think Plan B will need to go into effect like NOW.
Hopefully, the Kings can secure Rondo ($10 million )tomorrow to start the ball rolling.
After that, use the remaining money to sign 1) Kosta Kousfas (3 year/24 mil) 2) Marco Bellini OR Corey Brewer (3 year/20 mil) and 3) Omri Casspi (2 year/ 2 mil per year (vet exception), 4) Andre Miller (vet min).
The Kings would be much deeper and talented then 2 weeks ago.
PF WCS / Morland
SF Gay/ Casspi
C DMC / Kousfas
SG McClemore / Bellini / McCallum
PG Rondo / Collison / Miller
Hopefully, the Kings can secure Rondo ($10 million )tomorrow to start the ball rolling.
After that, use the remaining money to sign 1) Kosta Kousfas (3 year/24 mil) 2) Marco Bellini OR Corey Brewer (3 year/20 mil) and 3) Omri Casspi (2 year/ 2 mil per year (vet exception), 4) Andre Miller (vet min).
The Kings would be much deeper and talented then 2 weeks ago.
PF WCS / Morland
SF Gay/ Casspi
C DMC / Kousfas
SG McClemore / Bellini / McCallum
PG Rondo / Collison / Miller
Mass
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I'd be ok with Joseph as well!
Because players love Rondo? The best of the rest of the realistic FA pool is:
Josh Smith (yikes)
Louis Williams (maybe)
Patrick Beverly (not if we sign Rondo)
JR Smith (yikes)
Corey Brewer (maybe)
Carlos Boozer (yikes)
Jordan Hill (maybe)
Marco Belineli (maybe)
Jeremy Lin (not if we sign Rondo)
Kosta Koufos (maybe)
Rodney Stuckey (maybe)
Do 2 names from that list really change the fortunes of the team so much that it was worth the move we made? Honestly, I don't know but I don't know that the "risk" we took was as aim high as we'd like to believe.
PurpleHaze
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And the article is from Business Insider, a very credible widely read business source. On a day when our Dear Leader was tied up on the witness stand testifying...
http://www.sacbee.com/news/local/city-arena/article26202334.html
Gary
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What about trades?
Sorry it's making me post this message. The dang "quote" will not leave my message lol
theclash4u5
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The same Rondo that turned his back on Dallas during the playoffs and wasn't voted a share of the money from his team? That is going to make us a more attractive place to play for FAs? Don't get me wrong, he brings depth but...come on, that's a terrible excuse to make this a more attractive place to play.
theclash4u5
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We just offered Ellis and Matthews large deals than they signed for. They were Plan A. If either one of them accept, Rondo would have had to take lower than 10M, just so we had enough to fill out the roster. He was always plan C.
Sure. So since all we have left is cap space, what teams want to move guys for space only?
Nets: Dwill
Warriors: Lee
Hornets: Holiday (probably want a little more than cap space)
Who else?
kingjatt
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Joe Johnson
theclash4u5
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Koufos might get big money to be a starter for the Lakers, just something to watch out for. They have no one in their front court and a 2/22 deal could look real good for him.
Well the same way that people think Philly got the better of this deal, right?
Oh...
Draft2007
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It was reported that we contacted Rondo BEFORE we made the trade to clear space so Ellis and Matthews weren't even in the picture at that point and we heard only rumors about guys like Rondo and Lou Williams.
Throw in Alan Anderson, and that would be a massively successful off-season. To go from 5 solid+ NBA players to 9-10 is gigantic leap forward.
God NO!Joe Johnson
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