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sactownfan
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http://www.phillymag.com/news/2016/...e-sacramentos-unprotected-draft-pick-in-2019/
Soooooo is that right??? Wow anyone know for sure?
Soooooo is that right??? Wow anyone know for sure?
Bricklayer
Don't Make Me Use The Bat
No, that should be right.
That was always the cost of the deal. The pick swaps were nonsense, the players we gave up trash. The cost of the deal was always a single pick in 2018 or 19. 19 as it turns out. Whether that pick turns out to be of significance will largely depend on whether we turn things her. Probably specifically whether we turn things this season. If you're winning 50 by 2019 and its a #23 pick, its no huge deal. If you flop, lose Cousins, and win 22 games that season, its a big deal.
That was always the cost of the deal. The pick swaps were nonsense, the players we gave up trash. The cost of the deal was always a single pick in 2018 or 19. 19 as it turns out. Whether that pick turns out to be of significance will largely depend on whether we turn things her. Probably specifically whether we turn things this season. If you're winning 50 by 2019 and its a #23 pick, its no huge deal. If you flop, lose Cousins, and win 22 games that season, its a big deal.
Ron
Starter
I read it through and tried to verify. If league's interpretation IS as stated, it seems legit....
It's turning unprotected... Now let's prove the writer wrong (about Kings being disfunctional) and make our 2019 1st round pick ridiculously low and insignificant, by turning ourselves into an absolute top-tier contender!
It begins now!
It's one draft pick. We've already thrown 10 times that many away over the past 15 years. Make a good pick this year, sign a top free agent and let's win 55 games that season. Or continue to suck and give them a lottery pick. It's a small drop in a large pond either way.
Livinthedream
All-Star
Don't we still owe the Bulls a 1st rounder in the next year or two?
whozit
Starter
It's either one or two more years with protection then it becomes a 2nd round pick. Going by memory.
Fireplug
Bench
Next year the Bulls will get either a first if it falls after the 10th pick, or a 2nd unless the 2nd falls between 56-60. Otherwise the Bulls get nothing and Petrie is Nostradamus.
Of course, not sure how a team could have a top 5 record (thus end up with 56-60 pick) and also have a 1-10 lottery pick, but that is how the trade was written up.
Of course, not sure how a team could have a top 5 record (thus end up with 56-60 pick) and also have a 1-10 lottery pick, but that is how the trade was written up.
Can we trade for a late first round pick in a year we already have a pick and convey that pick?
No- we have to give them our pick.
Ok, so let's say we end up having a strong season and owing the Bulls our 2017 pick, can we trade for the 30th pick in the draft allowing us to give the Sixers our pick in 2018?
Found the answer in (where else) Larry Coon's FAQ. Answer is no. So yeah, 2019 unprotected to Philly.
Found the answer in (where else) Larry Coon's FAQ. Answer is no. So yeah, 2019 unprotected to Philly.
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Supposedly "sources" have reported that even if we don't convey the Bulls the first round pick next year, since we're obligated to them through 2017, we can't convey a top 10 protected 2018 pick to the Sixers so they are now getting our 2019 unprotected pick and they are predicting Boogie will walk and they get a high lotto pick out of it.
Sac.Kings
All-Star
That's pretty terrifying.... we kind of can't mess this up. We have to hit the grand slam this time, otherwise even blowing it up won't work, or at the very least it will be severely restricted for 1 year.
If heaven forbid we suck next year, the interpretation of the rule is a little strange but it may be correct. Coon's FAQ leaves open some other room for interpretation too, you can not acquire a pick after the trade has already been made to change the rules, however you can get around the rule by having any pick. So I wonder if we were to acquire a second 2017 first rounder before this draft starts we could convey in 2018 no matter what.
In either event odds are if we turn it around by 2018 we can keep Boogie.
itzcoatl
Bench
We always knew that if we lose Cousins, we're screwed anyways. So if we lose him and then also lose the pick it will suck, but it was always going to suck. This just makes it all the more imperative that we don't lose him . I'm confident that if we are able to keep Cousins, we will be a playoff team and this won't be worth worrying about.
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HndsmCelt
Hall of Famer
The real damage here is that we will have to read whiney posts and hear so called experts crow about how dumb the trade was and what a mess the front office is for 2 more years... because you know, no decent free agents will sign, no decent coach will even think about Sac, Boogie will never stay... and well... LAST YEARS RECORD... mumble, grumble... dumpster fire!
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This. I think the danger of losing a high draft pick for nothing will ultimately hold the FO's feet to the flame, so to speak. It looks like all of the right moves are being made thus far, not just for this year, but long term. Stability and a single vision will go a long way towards not having to worry about our 2019 draft pick.
Livinthedream
All-Star
I don't understand this thinking. How is trading lottery picks to obtain bench players past their prime good for long term stability?
The idea was that we had a decent coach and would make a playoff push in a weakened Western conference last year. Turns out we were wrong.
Livinthedream
All-Star
It could be argued that our best FA pickup was Curry and the most impactful addition was our rookie draft pick. So how is it that people are convincing themselves that young players are a bad thing for us and that draft picks are irrelevant at any point?
Livinthedream
All-Star
Understood. But that was and always is a short sighted approach and not good for stability of a franchise.
itzcoatl
Bench
This is a red herring. We are not saying what you say we are saying. We said that the impact will be marginal if we are good (and have Cousins) because the pick will not be high. If we are bad (and don't have Cousins), then the impact will also be marginal because we will be really bad already. It will delay a rebuild by a year which is bad, but we will be bottom of the league already.
I don't understand how continuing to gamble on youth with a front office that (until now?) has a horrific history of evaluating talent provides long term stability. We have a very good front court to build around, and a coach who knows how to utilize it. Stability means not having to evaluate top 10 draft picks year after year.
Livinthedream
All-Star
The bad is we keep gambling and losing and setting ourselves back a year each time. That's the issue. Teams keep picking our pockets of draft picks and talent because we're so desperate to gamble and win big now.
Big Cuz 15
All-Star
thats vivek 4 ya.
itzcoatl
Bench
Sure. If we lose Cousins and the draft pick, that will be bad. I said that already. The issue is that we needed to re-form the roster and clear out some players so that we have a chance to keep Cousins by building a contending team. Give Vlade another off-season, this draft pick, a new coach, and I think we will make some noise. I don't think the sky is falling because of this one issue. If we lose Cousins, then I will think that the sky is falling.
It's not short sighted to build a winning culture and they thought they could do that. Not to mention they wanted to generate excitement for the new arena.
The minute the Kings start winning is the minute Boogie starts getting a hell of a lot more respect around the league. Free agents might come here. The media will stop calling us a joke. Jeez, look at the comments in this Philly article mocking us. Ummm, look at their POS franchsie that probably has won as many games in the last 3 seasons as we did this season. Yeah they are in full on tank mode, but you're supposed to do that for one season not half a decade. And yet our franchise is so irrelevant Philly fans feel comfortable mocking us.
Trading lottery picks to replace folks that have no place in NBA (Stauskas (yet), JT, Landry) with folks with proven track record (KK, Belli, Rondo), none of which is past their prime.
I strongly believe that with Joerger instead of Karl we would be in the playoff the last season, and all complaints about the Philly trade would be more mute.
Barring Cuz injury, we are a playoff team if we do nothing this off season.
Clean up the garbage and provide bench (which was a big weakness) - price: 1 draft pick
Price of one year delay by keeping Karl (beside one year gone): unprotected 1st pick vs top 10 protected pick.
KingsFanSince85
All-Star
I suggested weeks ago that falling outside the top 10 and finally getting out from under that Chicago pick might actually be a good thing. Everything outlined within that article tells you why.
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