Kevin Martin is not a franchise player

[kingsnation]

So, who are the real superstars in today's NBA? How many are there? How many teams have them? Let's define them then:

IMHO -

ATLANTIC
Boston - (3) - KG, Pierce, Ray Allen
New Jersey - Vince Carter??
Philly - None. Brand???
NY - None
Toronto - Bosh

CENTRAL
Cleveland - Lebron
Detroit - None. AI?
Chicago - Not yet
Milwaukee - None
Indiana - None

SOUTHEAST
Orlando - Dwight
Atlanta - None
Miami - Dwade
Charlotte - None
Washington - None

NORTHWEST
Denver - Carmelo, Billups >>?
Portland - None yet, IMHO
Utah - D Williams???
Minnesota - None
OKC - None

PACIFIC
Lakers - Kobe, Pau
Suns - (3) Shaq, Amare, Nash
Clippers - Baron???
GS - None
KINGS - None

SOUTHWEST
Houston - Tmac, Yao, Artest >>>??
New Orleans - CP3
San Antonio - Duncan, Parker, Manu >>>?
Dallas - Dirk, Kidd
Memphis - None

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So, how is a superstar defined? IMHO, I believe it's not by popularity or fame -- but a mixture of that with a proven winner who can carry his team on any given night.

So based on this thesis: Here are today's NBA superstars:

The Celtics 3
Lebron
AI
Dwight
Dwade
Billups
Kobe
Pau
Shaq
Amare
Nash
Tmac
CP3
Duncan
Parker
Manu
Dirk
Kidd

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ANYONE MISSING?

 

[Jerryaki]

kevin martin!!!!









just kidding, couldn't resist. happy holidays everyone!

 

[pdxKingsFan]

I wouldn't list half of those guys as Superstars, which is back to the point - Thomas and Walton were that good.

 

[yanon]

You are being too loose in labling "superstars".

IMHO

ATLANTIC
Boston - (3) - KG, Pierce, Ray Allen (KG is a superstar, Pierce and Allen are allstars)
New Jersey - Vince Carter?? (allstar)
Philly - None. Brand??? (allstar)
NY - None
Toronto - Bosh (close to being a superstar, probably needs another couple of years to prove his superstar status)

CENTRAL
Cleveland - Lebron (#1 player in the league)
Detroit - None. AI? (was a superstar)
Chicago - Not yet
Milwaukee - None
Indiana - None

SOUTHEAST
Orlando - Dwight (#1 center in the league)
Atlanta - None
Miami - Dwade (superstar)
Charlotte - None
Washington - None

NORTHWEST
Denver - Carmelo, Billups >>? (both are allstars)
Portland - None yet, IMHO (Brandon Roy, possibly a superstar in the making)
Utah - D Williams??? (Needs a couple more years to prove his superstar status. Don't forget boozer, he is very good)
Minnesota - None
OKC - None

PACIFIC
Lakers - Kobe, Paul (Kobe is superstar, Paul is an allstar)
Suns - (3) Shaq, Amare, Nash (was a superstar, allstar, superstar on decline)
Clippers - Baron??? (allstar)
GS - None
KINGS - None

SOUTHWEST
Houston - Tmac, Yao, Artest >>>?? (was, but a damage good now, Yao was advancing toward superstar level but his recent injuries hindered his progress, Artest is a marginal allstar)
New Orleans - CP3 (#1 point guard in the league)
San Antonio - Duncan, Parker, Manu >>>? (superstar on decline, allstar, allstar)
Dallas - Dirk, Kidd (Dirk is a marginal superstar. Kidd was a superstar)
Memphis - None

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So, the superstar list.
Lebron
Kobe
KG
Dwight
CP3
Duncan
Dwade
Nash
Dirk
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very close but not quite
Yao (If he can take his team to the conference final, then he moves up)
D-Will
Bosh

Possible future superstar---------
Brandon Roy

 

[FakeInjury]

Roy is an impressive player. Martin is an impressive player. Roy has earned a few accolades in a short time. Martin earned a near-max contract extension. I would not declare Roy better than Martin, just as i wouldn't deem Martin better than Roy. Roy has so many more tools at his disposal, namely, Paul Allen. Martin has a handcuffed Petrie puppet. Roy has lottery talent around him, Prizbilla, Aldridge, Fernandez, Oden, Outlaw, and the list goes on...Martin has less than that. For what its worth, if you consider Roy franchise material, then you have to consider Martin to be a franchise player too imo. Boston/Detroit/Los Angeles/San Antonio are championship teams over the past decade, and all of them had 3 franchise(ish) players. Martin might not be THE FRANCHISE, like Lebron. But, he is closer to being that man than any other king. He hasn't proven to be a bad sign yet.

 

[yanon]

All superstars are franchise players but not all franchise players are superstars. For mediocore or bad teams, their franchise player might just be an allstar-level player.


Neither Roy or Martin is a franchise-level player yet. However, I think Roy has a higher probability in becoming a superstar. That is just my personal opinion. Only time will tell who made the correct prediction.

 

[bajaden]

Roy is an impressive player. Martin is an impressive player. Roy has earned a few accolades in a short time. Martin earned a near-max contract extension. I would not declare Roy better than Martin, just as i wouldn't deem Martin better than Roy. Roy has so many more tools at his disposal, namely, Paul Allen. Martin has a handcuffed Petrie puppet. Roy has lottery talent around him, Prizbilla, Aldridge, Fernandez, Oden, Outlaw, and the list goes on...Martin has less than that. For what its worth, if you consider Roy franchise material, then you have to consider Martin to be a franchise player too imo. Boston/Detroit/Los Angeles/San Antonio are championship teams over the past decade, and all of them had 3 franchise(ish) players. Martin might not be THE FRANCHISE, like Lebron. But, he is closer to being that man than any other king. He hasn't proven to be a bad sign yet.

No offense to Martin, who I like a lot, but I would trade Martin for Roy in a heartbeat. Roy is one of those players that makes everyone around him better.

 

[FakeInjury]

if that is true, he would be compared to LBJ not KM

 

[Dime Dropper]

if that is true, he would be compared to LBJ not KM

You can't actually be serious? I know you make alot of strange posts, so I don't know whether you're serious or not.

So what you're saying is, you're either comparable to LeBron James, or Kevin Martin? Those are the only two? I say that because you won't compare Roy to anyone else.

Look, I'm a big Martin fan, Roy is already a better player by quite a distance. Martin is an efficient scorer, but really that's where it ends. He's one dimensional. He's still useful and nice to have, but that's all he is. Roy does it all. He does make people around him better, it's really about as disputable as LeBron being a scrub. You don't have to be LeBron James to make people around you better.

I really can't see why anyone would take Kevin ahead of Roy, perhaps it's the purple tainted glasses.

 

[bajaden]

You can't actually be serious? I know you make alot of strange posts, so I don't know whether you're serious or not.

So what you're saying is, you're either comparable to LeBron James, or Kevin Martin? Those are the only two? I say that because you won't compare Roy to anyone else.

Look, I'm a big Martin fan, Roy is already a better player by quite a distance. Martin is an efficient scorer, but really that's where it ends. He's one dimensional. He's still useful and nice to have, but that's all he is. Roy does it all. He does make people around him better, it's really about as disputable as LeBron being a scrub. You don't have to be LeBron James to make people around you better.

I really can't see why anyone would take Kevin ahead of Roy, perhaps it's the purple tainted glasses.

I couldn't have said it any better myself. And being the egotisical, self obsessed person that I'am, thats high praise.

 

[FakeInjury]

Slow up please. Roy has game. I don't see him having more game than Martin, in the future. Today roy is a better player, because of confidence and shotmaking ability. But, once Martin hits the weight room, Martin might end up being a better offensive and defensive player. Remember Roy is 6-5 and Martin is 6-7 they have the same athletic ability and are almost the same by the numbers; When Martin's center of gravity resembles Roy's, then we should be able to accurately determine the better of the two. Right now, I wouldn't bet on which of the two will have a more illustrious career.

 

[Peter_Gibbons]

For those of you saying that Roy is that much better of a player than Martin, try to remember a few things.

Roy has a much better team in terms of talent around him at this point. Last yr, Martin was having a better yr than Roy... but Roy got the all star nod because his team had a 17 gm win streak (not sure about the exact #) before the all star break. If you are talking this yr, of couse Roy is better because he's been on the court. And his teammates had another yr to develop ie Aldridge. Plus they got Rudy F and Oden. All those makes a big difference. If martin had another guy like Aldridge that is a real post threat, his game would be easier. Give Spencer and JT another yr and a healthy Martin and we'll see. Martin is taller but Roy has a stronger frame and more muscles. Notice that Martin already added bulk every off season but still looks skinny because he has a smaller frame. Nothing he can do about that.

My point is, we can't judge 2 players by who made the all stars or who is doing more in the first 1/3 of the season.

 

[ParniValjak]

Slow up please. Roy has game. I don't see him having more game than Martin, in the future. Today roy is a better player, because of confidence and shotmaking ability. But, once Martin hits the weight room, Martin might end up being a better offensive and defensive player. Remember Roy is 6-5 and Martin is 6-7 they have the same athletic ability and are almost the same by the numbers; When Martin's center of gravity resembles Roy's, then we should be able to accurately determine the better of the two. Right now, I wouldn't bet on which of the two will have a more illustrious career.

When Martin hits the weights?!

Please, he has been hitting the weights for 5 seasons now with just moderate success. Martin doesn't have the frame to carry much more muscle. If you are waiting for Martin to put on that much weight you will never see that day. NEVER!