Kevin Love anyone?
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Probably an idea worth its own thread. He’s the most attainable “big name” out there, but is he just a name at this point? You can squint and imagine him grabbing defensive boards and zipping outlet passes to a speeding Fox and company in transition. But then you’re hoping that Bagley can play 5 long term, and will develop the requisite skill on defense, and relegating Holmes to the bench. (Or benching Bagley and dealing with the associated fallout).
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What’s wrong with the trades I propose? Are we now putting down trying to think 1, 2, 3 steps ahead? Should we be in favor of the short sighted vision which is trading for Love? Why not put a little thought behind it and think through how this would impact the team next year, 2 years out, 5 years out, etc.
If the plan is to sell off our vets for future assets, why is having multiple trade ideas lined up seen as a bad thing? It would be far more unrealistic to think we’re going to find 1 trade that sends out all of Hield, Bogdan, Barnes, Bjelica, & Holmes at once.
What’s wrong with the trades I propose? Are we now putting down trying to think 1, 2, 3 steps ahead? Should we be in favor of the short sighted vision which is trading for Love? Why not put a little thought behind it and think through how this would impact the team next year, 2 years out, 5 years out, etc.
If the plan is to sell off our vets for future assets, why is having multiple trade ideas lined up seen as a bad thing? It would be far more unrealistic to think we’re going to find 1 trade that sends out all of Hield, Bogdan, Barnes, Bjelica, & Holmes at once.
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Love is better defender than Bagley and Nemanja together, u guys base ur comment in what Love was years ago. His defense improve since he got traded to the Cavs. He got experience and he actually read the game situation. He is really good in offensive charge faults on people driving to the paint too, he can take contact under the rim and space the floor.
With the right combo trade I say yes to this trade.
With the right combo trade I say yes to this trade.
In principle that would work. You don't even have to wait a day, teams will routinely execute trades simultaneously. It's not infrequent that a reported multi-player trade turns out to be two or more simultaneous trades for cap purposes.
But as I was saying, in practice Bazemore's contract is not large enough to cover the return of Love's contract under salary cap rules, so that particular bit of cleverness wouldn't work. It also doesn't look on first glance that we could yank Cleveland into the current (not-yet-executed-until-today-sometime) trade to make it a three-way because we would still not be giving enough outgoing salary to bring back Love. I take that back. I think there's a way. If we did:
CLE out: Love ($28.94M), 1st rounder
CLE in: Bazemore, Dedmon, Giles ($35.19M)
POR out: Bazemore, Tolliver ($20.89M)
POR in: Ariza, Swanigan, Gabriel ($15.68M)
SAC out: Ariza, Dedmon, Swanigan, Gabriel, Giles ($31.59M)
SAC in: Love, Tolliver ($30.56M), CLE 1st
It looks from a glance that the salary cap would be OK. Furthermore it looks like Cleveland only has 13 roster players right now (and 2 two-way guys) so they have space to absorb the three contracts. Portland has 14 roster players and can absorb the extra contract just as they are in the trade as currently constructed.
For Portland, all contracts are expiring, so they're saving some money and hoping that Ariza will help their bottom line this year. Cleveland gets a trial-run on Giles (but can't pay more than about $4M next year, by trading for him they would be stuck under the same rules we have) and takes on about $17M in guaranteed money (this year and beyond) to dump $91M in future salary to Love, so a savings of $74M (which is TOTALLY worth a first round pick!)
The Kings have the tough one to stomach here in that they take on about $77M of additional salary and get one pick and Love cluttering the salary cap for three more years. If Love beasts, hey, it's worth it. But I think we may have seen the best of Love already. He's already basically sitting the second half of back-to-backs every time, so how much is he really going to be able to play three years down the road? It's a bad contract and forces the Kings into salary cap hell for three more years as they try to sign Fox and Bagley to presumably big deals, and figure out what to do with Bogdan... I just don't know if Love is physically up to the task, and if he's not you've just handcuffed yourself badly for three more years.
But as I was saying, in practice Bazemore's contract is not large enough to cover the return of Love's contract under salary cap rules, so that particular bit of cleverness wouldn't work. It also doesn't look on first glance that we could yank Cleveland into the current (not-yet-executed-until-today-sometime) trade to make it a three-way because we would still not be giving enough outgoing salary to bring back Love. I take that back. I think there's a way. If we did:
CLE out: Love ($28.94M), 1st rounder
CLE in: Bazemore, Dedmon, Giles ($35.19M)
POR out: Bazemore, Tolliver ($20.89M)
POR in: Ariza, Swanigan, Gabriel ($15.68M)
SAC out: Ariza, Dedmon, Swanigan, Gabriel, Giles ($31.59M)
SAC in: Love, Tolliver ($30.56M), CLE 1st
It looks from a glance that the salary cap would be OK. Furthermore it looks like Cleveland only has 13 roster players right now (and 2 two-way guys) so they have space to absorb the three contracts. Portland has 14 roster players and can absorb the extra contract just as they are in the trade as currently constructed.
For Portland, all contracts are expiring, so they're saving some money and hoping that Ariza will help their bottom line this year. Cleveland gets a trial-run on Giles (but can't pay more than about $4M next year, by trading for him they would be stuck under the same rules we have) and takes on about $17M in guaranteed money (this year and beyond) to dump $91M in future salary to Love, so a savings of $74M (which is TOTALLY worth a first round pick!)
The Kings have the tough one to stomach here in that they take on about $77M of additional salary and get one pick and Love cluttering the salary cap for three more years. If Love beasts, hey, it's worth it. But I think we may have seen the best of Love already. He's already basically sitting the second half of back-to-backs every time, so how much is he really going to be able to play three years down the road? It's a bad contract and forces the Kings into salary cap hell for three more years as they try to sign Fox and Bagley to presumably big deals, and figure out what to do with Bogdan... I just don't know if Love is physically up to the task, and if he's not you've just handcuffed yourself badly for three more years.
