Kenny Thomas thread.
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KP
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Webber is the best passing PF in the league, it's not even close. He's not TD by a long shot but He's got him on that skill by a mile. Dude's throwing clutch behind the back passes down the lane to win games, are you kidding me? You want stats how bout 5.5 assists per game to 2.7 assists per game in similar minutes.
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PFFFT!!
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KP said:
KP, I understand hes the best passing PF in the league, I don't argue that, but TD also passes the ball well, WHEN HE HAS TO. As far as the behind the back passes...my question to you is...is that really necessary when the game was only 5 pts difference? If hes so good at passing, then why does he rank #13 in turnovers per game while Duncan is not even listed? Duncan is careful and he makes the extra pass when he needs to. Thats why. But absolutely, he is a really good Assist PF if that makes you happy.
But who am I to say that what doesn't show in the Stats really matters...right?
ImaDougaholic24_7
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Welcome to the Kings Kenny, Brian, and Corliss..again. Wow, that was so weird to say. And Kenny is a great player. He's got a really sweet shot when it's on (most of the time) Good luck my former Sixers! GO KINGS!!!
Bricklayer
Don't Make Me Use The Bat
You know, this is going to come as a shocking revelation for some, but EVERY SINGLE GREAT PASSER IN THE LEAGE AVERAGES A LOT OF TURNOVERS. Cost of doing business. If you're a scorer as well, you're going to chalk up even more as you have more chances to have the ball stripped, travel, commit an offensive foul etc.
Tim Duncan is a good solid passer for a big man. But in that aspect he doesn't even remotely deserve to be mentioned in the same breath with a Chris Webber. That's just ridiculous.
Tim Duncan is a good solid passer for a big man. But in that aspect he doesn't even remotely deserve to be mentioned in the same breath with a Chris Webber. That's just ridiculous.
PFFFT!!
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One thing is passing smart, the other, well, the opposite. This team is loaded with passes and assists, but where are the things we talked about that we sorely lacked? Im tired of having to read about passing, passing, passing. Where is the defense? Where is the hustle we used to see (with some exceptions)? Defense? How about b-ball smarts of the type Vlade and DC used to bring? This topic is to welcome Thomas, so I brought this whole thing up just to say that he might bring a breath of fresh air and running and leaping at that position once again. Thats all I said :\ Forget Webber, hes gone, history, you like him, then follow the Sixers. Im all about figuring this team out today and tomorrow, not yesterday.
G_M said:
ESPN has box scores going back two seasons. Webber routinely schooled Thomas.
In 02-03 they played twice while with Houston and twice after the 76ers trade. Game #1 Webber 19/5 Thomas 4/8. Game #2 Webber 30/11 Thomas 9/8. Game #3 Webber 29/10/8 Thomas 0/0(Played only 3 minutes) Game #4 Webber 21/11/8 Thomas 6/5(Looks like Thomas played some SF that game).
In 03-04 they only played once with Webber 24/6/10 and Thomas 15/13.
P.S. Marty McNeal is on ESPN news right now saying he was at the shootaround today and the remaining players seemed pretty unhappy with the trade.
Bricklayer
Don't Make Me Use The Bat
PFFFT!! said:
Now see, that's where you're wrong. The team WAS loaded with passers and assists. But not really any longer. Now the only unconventionally good passer on the whole squad is Brad. Bibby's a good passer, but he's a PG and is suposed to be. No particular advantage there.
And the signifcance of all of that is this -- the passing was a healthy percentage of the reason for our offensive brilliance over the past 6 years. With the last of our freakish passers gone, that changes a lot of things on that side of the floor. We've got good offensive players, but they are going to have to get more done one on one and will get fewer easy looks. Also makes us easier to guard by a great defensive team.
If we'd gotten back a great defensive player, then it would be an interesting tradeoff -- we could talk offense vs. defense (and given that I would be severely tempted to start Tag and Brad together up front its certainly an interesting conversation). But we got back a smallish, if athletic PF who can't block a shot to save his life and his no chance against the elite PFs. So its just a patch. Has to be.
Bricklayer
Don't Make Me Use The Bat
Of course not -- you just traded their leader and also pretty clearly gave them a vote of no confidence.
Just have to come out and work hard in a "prove it to you" sort of mode. Whether Peja gets blamed by the players, as opposed to the fans, probably depends on whether there was actually any real rift and "sides" in the locker room.
Just have to come out and work hard in a "prove it to you" sort of mode. Whether Peja gets blamed by the players, as opposed to the fans, probably depends on whether there was actually any real rift and "sides" in the locker room.
PFFFT!!
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Bricklayer said:
Ok, I was talking about the past here with the passes bit AND the present. Anyhow, 6 years of trying, 6 years of failing. Experiment over. Time to move on. Of all the people Brick, I think you were the one who said that passing becomes contagious on this team. Millers assists went up, so has Mobleys with little team practice. These 3 dudes haven't played yet and you say we lost the "passing "touch because Webber is gone? Passing is not the issue, nor has it ever been, my issue is the rest of the stuff in my previous reply.
Its not Vlade or DC's assists, its their B-ball savvy, their b-ball mentality and know-how of when to pass, when to shoot that is missed, and of course the usual defense, fast breaks, and rebounding that we lack.Anyhow, another thread screwed up by everything else besides the main topic meant to be discussed.
c-webb1s#1
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two years ago i was on a carnival cruise to mexico,and kenny thomas was aboard the ship.I saw him at dinner every night,around the boat and i talked to him on the beach once in cabo san lucas.I went and got his autograph when he was at the bar scratching those scratch off lottery tickets.this was only a few weeks before he signed that huge contract with philly.
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PixelPusher
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Bricklayer said:
Yes, if Duncan has a major flaw in his game (besides his Jekyll/Hyde Free Throw shooting) it is passing to his teamates.
heypartner
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hey all,
I'm a season ticketholder Houston Rockets fan, and one of those people who has admired the Kings for a long time. My 2nd favorite team, always rooted for the Kings in the playoffs. Now I follow the Kings even more because you have my two favorite Rockets players--Mobley and Kenny. These guys play with a lot of heart. I know, I know...hard to replace Christie and Webber, but just thought i'd chime in to give a scouting report on Thomas.
First off, Kenny is a PF. The Rockets never used him as a SF, even when they had Eddie Griffin starting with him. That said, he is quick enough to be used to guard some SFs, should the Kings want to pair him with a taller PF.
Thomas works as hard as anyone in the off-season to improve his game. He's no "leaper" has someone here suggested, but he is quick off his feet. That's why he's a good rebounder. You'll notice that he's always on his toes. He does that so he can react faster than taller rebounders. And he can grab those one-handed rebounds in a crowd.
He is also a solid team defender. His positioning on defense is perfect. Both in man and in zone. He's got that Malone swipe the ball thing, too. And he's deceptively strong. I've seen him block a two-handed thunder jam attempt by Jermaine O'Neal with only one hand, right at the rim. It takes a lot of strength to do that. I've seen him block a flying fastbreak tomahawk jam by Grant Hill. kenny was at a full sprint coming down the middle as Hill was coming from the wing, and he blocked it right at the rim as Hill was slamming it home. That also takes a lot of strength to get a hand in front of a tomahawk and stop it dead. That dislocated Kenny's thumb.
He's a rock who can't be pushed around. It is very hard to back him down. Duncan commented about that in Kenny's rookie season. Hard to call any 6'7 PF a good defender in the West, but at least he makes few mistakes. His key is he has to out position his man. Use the "Deny the Ball" approach to defense. Front and back them, and not let them get to their sweet spot. That's what you'll see him trying to do.
I have also always thought he was a good passer, but that often isn't his role on the teams he's been on. But with the Kings, who knows, that might show. He usually is shooting open Js or driving hard to the basket. Philly coaching staff is high on his jumper over the past 2 months.
No power forward can stop his first step...he's that quick. Great footwork in the lane, with an array of spins moves, left-handed and right. But he is not completely money on his drives. Hard to explain. It's like he's too worried about being blocked from behind or from the weakside.
He's no star, because of being a 6'7 PF, but worth 30 mpg. The biggest thing I've always loved about him is he's a quiet warrior type who works hard on his game and on his body. He was somewhat overweight as a rookie, and has had a personal trainer ever since. He's much leaner now, strong and quick.
I'm a season ticketholder Houston Rockets fan, and one of those people who has admired the Kings for a long time. My 2nd favorite team, always rooted for the Kings in the playoffs. Now I follow the Kings even more because you have my two favorite Rockets players--Mobley and Kenny. These guys play with a lot of heart. I know, I know...hard to replace Christie and Webber, but just thought i'd chime in to give a scouting report on Thomas.
First off, Kenny is a PF. The Rockets never used him as a SF, even when they had Eddie Griffin starting with him. That said, he is quick enough to be used to guard some SFs, should the Kings want to pair him with a taller PF.
Thomas works as hard as anyone in the off-season to improve his game. He's no "leaper" has someone here suggested, but he is quick off his feet. That's why he's a good rebounder. You'll notice that he's always on his toes. He does that so he can react faster than taller rebounders. And he can grab those one-handed rebounds in a crowd.
He is also a solid team defender. His positioning on defense is perfect. Both in man and in zone. He's got that Malone swipe the ball thing, too. And he's deceptively strong. I've seen him block a two-handed thunder jam attempt by Jermaine O'Neal with only one hand, right at the rim. It takes a lot of strength to do that. I've seen him block a flying fastbreak tomahawk jam by Grant Hill. kenny was at a full sprint coming down the middle as Hill was coming from the wing, and he blocked it right at the rim as Hill was slamming it home. That also takes a lot of strength to get a hand in front of a tomahawk and stop it dead. That dislocated Kenny's thumb.
He's a rock who can't be pushed around. It is very hard to back him down. Duncan commented about that in Kenny's rookie season. Hard to call any 6'7 PF a good defender in the West, but at least he makes few mistakes. His key is he has to out position his man. Use the "Deny the Ball" approach to defense. Front and back them, and not let them get to their sweet spot. That's what you'll see him trying to do.
I have also always thought he was a good passer, but that often isn't his role on the teams he's been on. But with the Kings, who knows, that might show. He usually is shooting open Js or driving hard to the basket. Philly coaching staff is high on his jumper over the past 2 months.
No power forward can stop his first step...he's that quick. Great footwork in the lane, with an array of spins moves, left-handed and right. But he is not completely money on his drives. Hard to explain. It's like he's too worried about being blocked from behind or from the weakside.
He's no star, because of being a 6'7 PF, but worth 30 mpg. The biggest thing I've always loved about him is he's a quiet warrior type who works hard on his game and on his body. He was somewhat overweight as a rookie, and has had a personal trainer ever since. He's much leaner now, strong and quick.
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Welcome to the forum.
PejaFanatic
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Welcome to Sacramento KT.
LPKingsFan
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heypartner said:
Thanks and welcome. Makes me feel just a little bit bettter.
HndsmCelt
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Can't say I share the same optimism about Kenny that, many posters seem to have, but any guy playing in Philly will not have the best elements of his game exposed unless his last name is Iverson. Welcom to Sac Kenny and lets see what you have... big sneakers to fill bro, big sneakers...
