Kenny Thomas for Jamal Magloire?
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Big Cuz 15
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what the feezy......... kt and our 2 young guys for a guy in his final year of contract???????????????????? are we desperate to dump salary? what if magloire doesn't resign? we just gave away 2 of our draft picks for a expiring contract. GO YOU!
why not jason hart/kt/rights to monia's contract? they get 2 expiring contracts + KT. that makes alot more sense than giving away our bench away for a guy in the last year of his contract.
WalMatt23
G-League
I'd go as high as cisco/KT/2nd rounder. I wouldn't trade anymore than that. The draft class next year should be pretty deep in the first round, so I wouldn't trade our 1st rounder in this deal.
Sure, we would lose Cisco, but it might be worth it to get out from under KT's contract- even if we would eventually lose Magloire.
I would definitely take a risk on this trade.
Although I know KT for Magloire was a printed rumor, I still can't understand why anyone would want that contract with that attitude.
Ditto. I don't want to keep losing all the promising young guys all the time. Let's keep a few to be home-grown stars.
Maybe one or two of the bigs we have in camp can eventually turn out to be long-termers, as well.
hammystyle
Starter
I sure would, particularly if they are seriously looking at bringing in Trevor Ariza. Either way next year we'd be in a similar situation as this year with Bonxi. Most likely we'd be able to control his destination. If not, we'd actually be underneath the salary cap so we could actually sign somebody.
Who says we wouldn't re-sign Magloire to an extension? Also, don't think it's guaranteed Magloire would be a back-up. Rick Adelman's not coaching the team anymore, and Magloire/Brad are both bottom top ten centers with opposite games. Besides, if he doesn't, Magloire would get good minutes behind Brad.
Magloire > KT in general, and brings what is needed in a front-court lacking a defensive presence and interior defense.
Magloire > KT in general, and brings what is needed in a front-court lacking a defensive presence and interior defense.
LPKingsFan
All-Star
True. And while Cisco shows potential to be a solid swingman role player, perhaps in the Shane Battier mold if he's lucky, he's still far from a "star" at this point.
For me, a lot depends on the Bonzi situation. If Bonzi's back, then Cisco becomes more expendable with Martin eating up the backup swingman time. But if Bonzi bolts, and we don't get another swingman, we'd need him a lot more.
For me, a lot depends on the Bonzi situation. If Bonzi's back, then Cisco becomes more expendable with Martin eating up the backup swingman time. But if Bonzi bolts, and we don't get another swingman, we'd need him a lot more.
Big Cuz 15
All-Star
he has to want to sign the extension. who knows if he will? from reports, it says hes interested in going to back to t.o
i love shane battier. he's the perfect role player off the bench. he does all the little things you need done. what i like alot about garcia is his ball handling ability and size. if douby doesn't turn out to be the type of player that can bring the ball up to set up the offense.. we have a capable guy in garcia to do it.
i love shane battier. he's the perfect role player off the bench. he does all the little things you need done. what i like alot about garcia is his ball handling ability and size. if douby doesn't turn out to be the type of player that can bring the ball up to set up the offense.. we have a capable guy in garcia to do it.
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walker60
Bench
Maybe that would set us up for another sign and trade scenario? You never really know how those turn out though...
I didn't mean to imply he's a star now, but these young guys show promise and may get there eventually. If possible, let's let them develop here, shall we? I'd like to see what these guys can do with a couple years under the belt....
Big Cuz 15
All-Star
agreed. i don't agree with giving away our young bucks for a soon to be unrestricted FA.
nbrans
All-Star
Losing Magloire in free agency wouldn't free up any space -- the Kings will be over the cap no matter what. Then you've basically given away Kenny Thomas and Garcia for nothing.
Big Cuz 15
All-Star
so true, we're not even factoring in the extensions we have to give ron and kevin ..
Bricklayer
Don't Make Me Use The Bat
No. actually we COULD get under the cap if we held onto Corliss, Potapenko and Magliore, and let them all walk. Be about $17mil in enders. But it would only be under the cap by maybe $5-$7mil, which is just about the MLE anyway. And there is no way we could with that piddly amount of room we could replace the talent we had with Bonzi/Magliore, Cisco, KT, Corliss and Pot.
Figured since it sounds like Bonzi may be gone, most likely to Indiana, maybe this is a trade that could be done to get Magliore+ without giving up any young guys.
Indiana trades:
Jeff Foster
Steven Jackson
Indiana gets:
Bonzi Wells (around 7.5-8mill starting)
Beno Udrich
Jason Hart
Sacramento trades:
Bonzi Wells
Kenny Thomas
Vitaly Potapenko
Jason Hart
Sacramento gets:
Jeff Foster
Jamaal Magliore
Brent Barry
Milwaukee trades:
Jamaal Magliore
Milwaukee gets:
Steven Jackson
Vitaly Potapenko
San Antonio trades:
Brent Barry
Beno Udrich
San Antonio gets:
Kenny Thomas
Why for Indiana-- They have the money that they were planning on paying Peja to spend and it doesn't look like they're getting Harrison so Bonzi becomes their guy. Will give Bonzi a fair contract and it seemed like he wanted to go back there. They pick up two decent, cheap, backup point guards. They will probably choose Granger over Jackson at SF, so they may choose to go ahead and move him, and they were rumored to be ready to offer Jackson and Foster.
Why for Sac-- Looks like we're gonna lose Bonzi anyway, this would bring a lot of size and defense into the frontcourt and give us a veteran to add to the young sg core, and can come off the bench and knock down threes off double teams to open things up for the post guys down low. Would create a bit of a logjam at C, but really wouldn't be a problem because either a)Miller slides to PF and can play well there next to Magliore b)Magliore and Shareef start and Brad backs them up off the bench, and when we need rebounding we bring in Foster, then we move Brad at the deadline or next Summer and resign Magliore, or c) Magliore doesn't work out and we realize we were better off with Brad, so we let him and Corliss' contracts run out to give us some more manuverablity under the luxury tax for extending Ron and the young guys in the next few years.
Why for Milwaukee-- After getting Villinueva, their biggest need is a backup swingman to provide some offense off the bench, they get that with Jackson, or they could choose to start him at the 3. Looks like about as good as they're going to get for Magliore. I'm sure you could also send Hart over to them if it would help any.
Why for San Antonio-- After Duncans down season last year (for him) and since the spurs moved Nesterovich and didn't try to hard to keep Nazr, looks like they may start playing him at center where he could block shots and rebound and pick up someone like Kenny to chase the quicker guys on the perimeter. Horry looks to be pretty much done and Butler isn't ready or the Knicks would have matched the Spurs offer. Otherwise I think Kenny could be a solid roleplayer off the bench for them and I'm sure Pop wouldn't stand to long for his pouting, and he would get good minutes for them without giving up a lot.
Indiana trades:
Jeff Foster
Steven Jackson
Indiana gets:
Bonzi Wells (around 7.5-8mill starting)
Beno Udrich
Jason Hart
Sacramento trades:
Bonzi Wells
Kenny Thomas
Vitaly Potapenko
Jason Hart
Sacramento gets:
Jeff Foster
Jamaal Magliore
Brent Barry
Milwaukee trades:
Jamaal Magliore
Milwaukee gets:
Steven Jackson
Vitaly Potapenko
San Antonio trades:
Brent Barry
Beno Udrich
San Antonio gets:
Kenny Thomas
Why for Indiana-- They have the money that they were planning on paying Peja to spend and it doesn't look like they're getting Harrison so Bonzi becomes their guy. Will give Bonzi a fair contract and it seemed like he wanted to go back there. They pick up two decent, cheap, backup point guards. They will probably choose Granger over Jackson at SF, so they may choose to go ahead and move him, and they were rumored to be ready to offer Jackson and Foster.
Why for Sac-- Looks like we're gonna lose Bonzi anyway, this would bring a lot of size and defense into the frontcourt and give us a veteran to add to the young sg core, and can come off the bench and knock down threes off double teams to open things up for the post guys down low. Would create a bit of a logjam at C, but really wouldn't be a problem because either a)Miller slides to PF and can play well there next to Magliore b)Magliore and Shareef start and Brad backs them up off the bench, and when we need rebounding we bring in Foster, then we move Brad at the deadline or next Summer and resign Magliore, or c) Magliore doesn't work out and we realize we were better off with Brad, so we let him and Corliss' contracts run out to give us some more manuverablity under the luxury tax for extending Ron and the young guys in the next few years.
Why for Milwaukee-- After getting Villinueva, their biggest need is a backup swingman to provide some offense off the bench, they get that with Jackson, or they could choose to start him at the 3. Looks like about as good as they're going to get for Magliore. I'm sure you could also send Hart over to them if it would help any.
Why for San Antonio-- After Duncans down season last year (for him) and since the spurs moved Nesterovich and didn't try to hard to keep Nazr, looks like they may start playing him at center where he could block shots and rebound and pick up someone like Kenny to chase the quicker guys on the perimeter. Horry looks to be pretty much done and Butler isn't ready or the Knicks would have matched the Spurs offer. Otherwise I think Kenny could be a solid roleplayer off the bench for them and I'm sure Pop wouldn't stand to long for his pouting, and he would get good minutes for them without giving up a lot.
walker60
Bench
So we would be under by 5-7 Mil with a resigned Bonzi or w/o?
Bricklayer
Don't Make Me Use The Bat
w/o
But of course as mentioned, since the MLE is $5+ million you barely have any more money to spend than you would with all those guys AND the MLE.
nbrans
All-Star
The MLE and LLE still counts against the cap (even if they're unused), so technically even if you have $5-$7 million in breathing room you're still over the cap. But our point is pretty much the same -- it's not going to get us anywhere.
BigSong
Bench
are you taking into account the raise in the cap for next year? or was that how you came to the 7 mil number. cause im coming up with completely different numbers Brick.
hammystyle
Starter
I agree. On hoopshype we've got 48 million in salary for next year. If you lop off KT's 7.3 (assuming we get Magloire's expiring) and added in 3.5 million for Douby, Amundson and/or Williams, and next year's 1st round pick we'd be at 44 million. The salary cap this year is at 53m (up 4m from 05-06), next year it should be at 57m. So realistically, we could be 13m under the cap next year. If we use any part of the MLE this year, sign Bonzi, or S&T Bonzi for salaries that extend past next year it will eat into that number or eradicate it.
49.5 mln. was a set figure to prevent big jump from 45 mln. to 51 mln. (50.9 actually) so I highly doubt that salary cap reach 57 mln. next season. 54-54.5 is a much more realistic figure.
hammystyle
Starter
Then we could have 10-13 in cap space.
BigSong
Bench
okay thats kinda where i was at too, now i dont feel too crazy.
CruzDude
Senior Member sharing a brew with bajaden
Nobody out there in NBA land wants KT much less his $40M price over the next 5 years. In Bucks blogs and boards they either harp on getting a PG and a scoring 2/3 off the bench OR they dream outlandish trades for Magloire such as Chris Bosh or Pau Gasol straight up. No where in any fan blog or board did anyone want or even mention KT for Mags or anyone else.
Face it guys, a 6-7 PF who avoids the middle and can score once in awhile is not a hot commodity. And definitely not a starter anywhere that I can see. KT kinda reminds me, sorta, of a short OP. Remember him?
What I see is maybe Artest taking the 4, Bonzi the 3 and Kevin the 2 with SAR and KT off the bench with Cisco, Price and our backup center.......
Face it guys, a 6-7 PF who avoids the middle and can score once in awhile is not a hot commodity. And definitely not a starter anywhere that I can see. KT kinda reminds me, sorta, of a short OP. Remember him?
What I see is maybe Artest taking the 4, Bonzi the 3 and Kevin the 2 with SAR and KT off the bench with Cisco, Price and our backup center.......
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