Keegan Murray
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Some Keegan numbers:
11.7 PPG
3.7 RPG
0.9 APG
0.9 SPG
0.6 BPG
41% from 3 on 5.7 Att
57.4% TS
16.6% USG
8.9% TOV
4.2% AST
7.4% TRB
On/Off splits
Offense:
On:118.1
Off:116.1
Net: 2.0
Defense
On: 114.9
Off: 116.7
Net: 1.8
Total Net On/Off: +3.8
In terms of more advanced stuff, it seems like everywhere really likes his defense, but not his offense. Which sort of makes sense since he's basically just providing spacing with almost no creation.
11.7 PPG
3.7 RPG
0.9 APG
0.9 SPG
0.6 BPG
41% from 3 on 5.7 Att
57.4% TS
16.6% USG
8.9% TOV
4.2% AST
7.4% TRB
On/Off splits
Offense:
On:118.1
Off:116.1
Net: 2.0
Defense
On: 114.9
Off: 116.7
Net: 1.8
Total Net On/Off: +3.8
In terms of more advanced stuff, it seems like everywhere really likes his defense, but not his offense. Which sort of makes sense since he's basically just providing spacing with almost no creation.
He’s a guard who’s averaging more rebounds. Sure, It happened to be the guy I stanned in draft season. It wasn’t some IVEY IS BETTER point, it was a “Why can’t this dude rebound” point. And I was legitimately wondering. I’ve not been able to watch nearly as much this season and seeing 0 on the board after a bad loss had me asking questions.
Yeah this probably plays a factor. He's been matched up with guards far more than I ever expected and he's played very little at the 4 this season. Also doesn't help Sabonis has probably been the best rebounder in basketball this year, so not quite as many opportunities.
Also just don't think he has a great nose for the ball off the bounce. He seems to be more reactionary to me when tracking a rebound and lets the offensive rebounder swoop in too much before he can grab it. Didn't see the issue very much in college, but he was also in a better position most of the time to grab the rebound. Maybe just a learning curve of how to be a better rebounder from a perimeter position than a post/big position.
Also just don't think he has a great nose for the ball off the bounce. He seems to be more reactionary to me when tracking a rebound and lets the offensive rebounder swoop in too much before he can grab it. Didn't see the issue very much in college, but he was also in a better position most of the time to grab the rebound. Maybe just a learning curve of how to be a better rebounder from a perimeter position than a post/big position.
Yes Keegan needs to get stronger, finish stronger at the rim, rebound better, work on his burst and master some basic creation moves.
But to not be excited about a defensively versatile rookie who can shoot on the move at sn elite rate and percentage is nuts.
The Kings got a good player/long term starter with a high bbiq that still has lots of room to improve. He needs to play with more force right now. But that could happen soon - and I hope it does.
But to not be excited about a defensively versatile rookie who can shoot on the move at sn elite rate and percentage is nuts.
The Kings got a good player/long term starter with a high bbiq that still has lots of room to improve. He needs to play with more force right now. But that could happen soon - and I hope it does.
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Dyson Daniels is also lighting it up with 4/3/2 splits.
Keegan is the right guy for what we need right now. Could Ivey surpass him in a few years? Maybe. Would Keegan look as bad as the aforementioned if the Kings gave him the keys to the kingdom? Also maybe.
We're fortunate that he is playing the role that we've asked to a T. Maybe we ask more of him in the future, but for now, he's exactly what we need to help us be at the position we're at.
Keegan is the right guy for what we need right now. Could Ivey surpass him in a few years? Maybe. Would Keegan look as bad as the aforementioned if the Kings gave him the keys to the kingdom? Also maybe.
We're fortunate that he is playing the role that we've asked to a T. Maybe we ask more of him in the future, but for now, he's exactly what we need to help us be at the position we're at.
And comparing Keegan to Ivey now is like comparing a full grown tree to a sapling. Ivey is what a what will he become, Keegan is a how much better can he get type of player. That said, Murray is certainly helped a ton by the likes of Fox and Sabonis. As for needs drafting Monte did a solid job. Nearly 88% of Keegans field goals have been assisted compared to 38 for Ivey. Now, part of that is because of how good Keegan is at moving off ball but still.
I think both players are who we thought they are for the most part. Ivey is a super athlete with potential elite creation and bad defense and around average shooting and Keegan is a sharpshooting wing who has just barely plus defense on the horizon if the right screws are tightened. Something to consider with potential is Ivey turns 21 in 30 days so it’s not like he is teeny bopper or anything. both 2 year college players with a year and a half difference in actual age.
I liked Murray as a prospect but he's definitely NOT who I thought he'd be in the NBA. In college he shot it well, but he was more of an all-around scorer that worked in the post a fair amount. In the NBA he's been primarily a very effective movement shooter.
It's a different role than I envisioned him playing as a rookie.
It's a different role than I envisioned him playing as a rookie.