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[Bricklayer]

Last I checked, Hayes wasn't playing next to a 6'11 270 pound center in Houston. Dally has terrible B-Ball IQ, is an average at best post-man defender, and no offensive game whatsoever. I'm more than confident that Hayes(if healthy) will end up being more productive than Dally by the end of the year

No, he really won't.

And Daly was a very good man defender for us last year. And his offensive game is light years ahead of Hayes'. People just miss what is right before their eyes sometimes. But all the rep, rumor, "well I heard" stuff in the world still leaves me flabbergasted people somhow missed how extremely effective Daly was after the All Star break last year when he averaged 11.0pts 11.2 rebs for us next to Cousins. I mena, we were killing people inside every night. How did people miss that? Now Daly just keeps on rolling on like old man river. After a few weeks to get into shape he was easily Houston's best center too, moved into his normal starting spot, and is averaging 9.1pts 9.3rebs 2.4blks a game in 27.2min as a starter for a surging team. Just as he's always done. Just as he did for us. Just as he should still be doing for us. Cousins/Daly/JT was a potent trio. If anything happened there other than Daly not wanting to come back, it was a flat ****up.

 

[ParniValjak]

Last I checked, Hayes wasn't playing next to a 6'11 270 pound center in Houston. Dally has terrible B-Ball IQ, is an average at best post-man defender, and no offensive game whatsoever. I'm more than confident that Hayes(if healthy) will end up being more productive than Dally by the end of the year

Here is the thing about opinions, there are like ***holes...everyone has one! But it doesn't make it right. Your view of Dalembert as a defender is most certainly not backed by any stats out there. Lets put it this way, Rockets are known to recruit their players only after they have thoroughly analysed their stats. They are one of the few teams that use the advanced statistics heavily in identifying the players that they go for. They needed a defensive big man and they picked Dalembert! Interesting that!

Dalembert has a decade of body work behind him. One of the all time leaders in the NBA in blocked shots and right up there in all the advanced defensive stats yet according to you he is at best average post man defender! PLEASE!!!

Quite frankly I find it insulting when people start dribbling crap and calling it right because its their opinion. Doesn't matter that their opinion does not hold water with any measure out there! There is a reason why contenders have inquired about Dalembert this off-season but none showed interest in Hayes! Why do you think that is?!

The teams that have shown interest in Hayes are lottery teams because they know if they want to go all the way, its players like Dalembert, Chandler, Noah etc that will get them there and not Hayes who quite frankly would struggle to be the main rotation guy on a contender.

 

[The_Jamal]

Here is the thing about opinions, there are like ***holes...everyone has one! But it doesn't make it right. Your view of Dalembert as a defender is most certainly not backed by any stats out there. Lets put it this way, Rockets are known to recruit their players only after they have thoroughly analysed their stats. They are one of the few teams that use the advanced statistics heavily in identifying the players that they go for. They needed a defensive big man and they picked Dalembert! Interesting that!

Dalembert has a decade of body work behind him. One of the all time leaders in the NBA in blocked shots and right up there in all the advanced defensive stats yet according to you he is at best average post man defender! PLEASE!!!

Quite frankly I find it insulting when people start dribbling crap and calling it right because its their opinion. Doesn't matter that their opinion does not hold water with any measure out there! There is a reason why contenders have inquired about Dalembert this off-season but none showed interest in Hayes! Why do you think that is?!

The teams that have shown interest in Hayes are lottery teams because they know if they want to go all the way, its players like Dalembert, Chandler, Noah etc that will get them there and not Hayes who quite frankly would struggle to be the main rotation guy on a contender.

Well if you wanted stats, why not just ask! I'm using Dally's 2010 stats and Hayes 2010 stats since Hayes is hurt and the sample size isn't large enough to use this season anyway:

TS%- Hayes: 55.4%, Dally: 50.9%
eFG% Hayes: 52.7%, Dally: 47.3%
TRB%: Hayes: 16.3%, Dally: 19.3%
Ast%: Hayes 14.3%, Dally 7.5%
Stl%: Hayes 1.5%, Dally 1.3%
Blk%: Hayes 1.6%, Dally 4.3%
TOV%: Hayes 14.3%, Dally 17.3%
O-RTG: Hayes: 120, Dally: 100
D-RTG: Hayes- 106, Dally 105
WS/48: Hayes .148, Dally, .072

So looking at the stats, the only thing Dally is considerably better at than Hayes is shotblocking and being a slightly better rebounder. They were roughly around the same as far as being a post defender and Hayes was by far the superior offensive talent.

So don't try and play all high and mighty with me about Dally when the stats actually say Hayes was the superior player last season

 

[SacTownKid]

No, he really won't.

And Daly was a very good man defender for us last year. And his offensive game is light years ahead of Hayes'. People just miss what is right before their eyes sometimes. But all the rep, rumor, "well I heard" stuff in the world still leaves me flabbergasted people somhow missed how extremely effective Daly was after the All Star break last year when he averaged 11.0pts 11.2 rebs for us next to Cousins. I mena, we were killing people inside every night. How did people miss that? Now Daly just keeps on rolling on like old man river. After a few weeks to get into shape he was easily Houston's best center too, moved into his normal starting spot, and is averaging 9.1pts 9.3rebs 2.4blks a game in 27.2min as a starter for a surging team. Just as he's always done. Just as he did for us. Just as he should still be doing for us. Cousins/Daly/JT was a potent trio. If anything happened there other than Daly not wanting to come back, it was a flat ****up.

Exactly, but last I checked, the Kings had this Cousins kid manning that spot. I don't know if I like the idea of using Cousins mostly at PF, I saw what it did to the team defensively in terms of matchups, and despite what some seem to remember, there were issues and many of them ended with Cousins tackling an unusual defensive matchup.

 

[ParniValjak]

I have been considering McGee lately as well. I have always liked his size and athleticism, just don't think he has the best bball IQ. But if he can come over and play defense, rebound, and block shots, he could be a good fit. I wonder who the Kings might have to give up in a trade to get him.

I like McGee but surely this is a big McFail!

 

[sidney]

I like McGee but surely this is a big McFail!

Hilarious. Best part is John Wall's body language "WTH are you doing McGee. Get over there and set a pick"

 

[upinsmoke]

I was trying to post that a couple of days ago but it slipped my mind lol. Anyways Nene signed for 13 mil and there is no way JT is worth that kind of money but dont underestimate detroit to make a good offer.

 

[Kingster]

Well if you wanted stats, why not just ask! I'm using Dally's 2010 stats and Hayes 2010 stats since Hayes is hurt and the sample size isn't large enough to use this season anyway:

TS%- Hayes: 55.4%, Dally: 50.9%
eFG% Hayes: 52.7%, Dally: 47.3%
TRB%: Hayes: 16.3%, Dally: 19.3%
Ast%: Hayes 14.3%, Dally 7.5%
Stl%: Hayes 1.5%, Dally 1.3%
Blk%: Hayes 1.6%, Dally 4.3%
TOV%: Hayes 14.3%, Dally 17.3%
O-RTG: Hayes: 120, Dally: 100
D-RTG: Hayes- 106, Dally 105
WS/48: Hayes .148, Dally, .072

So looking at the stats, the only thing Dally is considerably better at than Hayes is shotblocking and being a slightly better rebounder. They were roughly around the same as far as being a post defender and Hayes was by far the superior offensive talent.

So don't try and play all high and mighty with me about Dally when the stats actually say Hayes was the superior player last season

And to add to your case, there isn't a strong correlation between blocked shots and winning, although that seems to be gospel by some. I'm with your sentiment on Dally. It would have been nice to have him, but he's oversold on this board.

 

[sidney]

I was trying to post that a couple of days ago but it slipped my mind lol. Anyways Nene signed for 13 mil and there is no way JT is worth that kind of money but dont underestimate detroit to make a good offer.

Detroit is already over the cap for next year. MLE offer at best from them, which we of course would match.

 

[upinsmoke]

Detroit is already over the cap for next year. MLE offer at best from them, which we of course would match.

Detroit salary for 12/13 [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]$41,715,560[/FONT]

 

[sidney]

Detroit salary for 12/13 [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]$41,715,560[/FONT]

I see 63M.

http://www.shamsports.com/content/pages/data/salaries/pistons.jsp

Hoopshype is missing Prince and Stuckey salaries

 

[bluntsnbball]

Well if you wanted stats, why not just ask! I'm using Dally's 2010 stats and Hayes 2010 stats since Hayes is hurt and the sample size isn't large enough to use this season anyway:

TS%- Hayes: 55.4%, Dally: 50.9%
eFG% Hayes: 52.7%, Dally: 47.3%
TRB%: Hayes: 16.3%, Dally: 19.3%
Ast%: Hayes 14.3%, Dally 7.5%
Stl%: Hayes 1.5%, Dally 1.3%
Blk%: Hayes 1.6%, Dally 4.3%
TOV%: Hayes 14.3%, Dally 17.3%
O-RTG: Hayes: 120, Dally: 100
D-RTG: Hayes- 106, Dally 105
WS/48: Hayes .148, Dally, .072

So looking at the stats, the only thing Dally is considerably better at than Hayes is shotblocking and being a slightly better rebounder. They were roughly around the same as far as being a post defender and Hayes was by far the superior offensive talent.

So don't try and play all high and mighty with me about Dally when the stats actually say Hayes was the superior player last season

Percentages aside, Dally is averaging twice what hayes is putting up. Bottom line, i'm not with pro dally guy. I feel he was more of a distraction than a positive veteran presence in the locker room. I dont know if he was necessarily a negative presence, but he sure wasnt a positive presence and Hayes carries himself as much more of a veteran leader than Dally will ever be. And while Dally is a MUCH better offensive player than Hayes, Hayes at least knows his role. Dally got carried away on offense all too often, and while he made a fair amount of shots, he also took too many and made me cringe nearly every game. And blocks aside,i read an article that Hayes says "i dont block shots but i am one of the best guys in the league at altering and making people take bad shots." Which if you think about it, is almost the same thing as blocks.

 

[upinsmoke]

I see 63M.

http://www.shamsports.com/content/pages/data/salaries/pistons.jsp

Hoopshype is missing Prince and Stuckey salaries

point and match lol

 

[Chupacabra]

I have noticed that JT is getting a lot more love these days, and I'm a glad to see him player more consistently and at a higher level of play. A part of me has to wonder how much of this is due to coaching and how much from his own hard work.

I do think coaching has a little to do with it. Knowing what your role is on a team is very important IMO (especially for a role-player like JT). I always felt like Westphal was jerking him around too much. He would play center one night, PF the next, and SF the next. He also would find himself starting a couple of games, then not play for a game only to be moved to the bench (all with no rhyme or reason).

IMO, JT is one of those players who can do a little bit of everything, but doesn't seem to be great at any one thing (with rebounding being his best ability). I think sometimes coaches try too hard to use all those abilities in a player like JT, instead of helping them to hone those abilities that they are a little better at.

I also think you have to give JT a lot of credit for his own individual improvements. He is doing a much better job moving without the ball to open spaces on the floor (many times resulting in dunks). I remember when he was drafted, a glaring weakness of his game was that he had NO left hand whatsoever. Now it seems like he uses his left hand around the basket more than his right. He has obiously put in a lot of work to make that kind of improvent. He has also made a lot of progress in the fouling department. I can't remember him being in foul trouble too many times this season, and that is largely the result of cutting out the stupid fouls.

I hope that he continues to improve, because he can really help this team as they
better (and hopefully start making a run at the playoffs in the next few years).

We're making a run at the playoffs right now. The kings have started to play well and are 4 games back from the 8 seed with 40 something games to go. Tons of talent, a deep bench and young legs.