John Salmons Future?

I don't think they will amnesty him unless they think Oden will sign here, or if they have another trade lined up by tonight/tomorrow. I honestly didn't think he'd be on the roster opening night, but it looks like that will be the case. They'll use him at the deadline for a trade, or just buy him out after the season and use his cap space for Cuz's extension, etc.
 
Not sure why many people want to see Salmons gone or feel he is not worthy.

Look guys, we aren't going to get any top free agent SF, at least not this year. Salmons is honestly a decent player. He has good size, good all around skills and can play good D.

I would like to see him get a chance to play under the new coaching staff that actually has roles assigned to each player and I assume there will be a more structured plan on both offense and defense under Malone vs Smart.

The new ownership just spent a lot of money to buy the team. I don't think they are going to amnesty anyone. Their ideal situation is to trade the players instead of paying salary to the amnesty player and the new player they signed.
 
No reason to, unless you have a trade up your sleeve to acquire a starting SF. As it looks now, it seems it will be a platoon effort at SF once again, with Mbah playing against the top wing scorers, and Salmons when we need more offense.
 
Doubt he gets amnestied. Don't see much gain.

Also, right now we have too many guards. However, if we are able to move some of them, John can also play 2. In fact, I think he shall be better there. Shall give us good size at 2, can create and has a more all round game than our gunners.

Edit: Also, just saw that his next year is only partially guaranteed at $1M. This can be a big gain for a team looking to shed salary.
 
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I don't see Salmons getting amnestied as the SF is our weakest spot. With Salmons gone we would have Outlaw and Mbah a Moute. Before the snickers start,what happens if one gets injured.
 
I have a feeling they are looking at Salmons contract as an asset for trade vs. an asset to amnesty. They are not in danger of luxury tax, so amnestying without bringing in a player does nothing for them.
 
Unless there was a clear use for that money, I'd like to hold on to salmons. Not due to his performance, which is shockingly awful, but for the non guaranteed trade value of his final year.

But let's be clear that he is awful at this point and should rarely see the court.
 
sdballer said:
Unless there was a clear use for that money, I'd like to hold on to salmons. Not due to his performance, which is shockingly awful, but for the non guaranteed trade value of his final year.

But let's be clear that he is awful at this point and should rarely see the court.
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Salmons rarely see the floor? He isn't that good, but that is a position of need
 
I'm not so sure that Salmons' contract is actually an asset. Not enough anyway to keep him stashed on the roster at $7.5 million a year using up the last of our salary cap space. Yes moving him would mean finding a new backup SF or attempting to revive the ghost of Travis Outlaw, but we could probably bring in somebody else on a minimum salary deal who would produce more positive value. It's not just bad, it's really bad guys. Look it up [here]. Since bringing him back he's given us seasons of 9.0 PER, .014 WS/48 and 10.2 PER, .034 WS/48. He's got some skill, sure, but what use is any of that if you refuse to use it? Omri Casspi has never had a season that bad and he's begging for a job right now.

[Nevermind, I didn't see that Omri just signed a 2yr/2M deal with Houston. :) Good thing we've still got Salmons then, amIright?]
 
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At this point in time, I see Salmons staying, but dealt before the trade deadline. We are very weak at SF, and I hate to say it, with him gone we would be laughable at best at SF. At the very least, he gives us another option if someone gets injured.
 
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Now I can inform you the Kings will not use the amnesty provision this offseason.
 
See, I don't get this it all. If you really want to change the culture, then John Salmons and Travis Outlaw should be the first two players sent packing. If you really think our players are proven losers and need to be shipped out then start at the bottom with the guys who are contributing nothing to the team. Don't ship out our second most productive player and call that change for the better if you're not willing to sacrifice a little money for addition by subtraction -- money which could then be used to find us an important backup. We're handcuffed to negative value in this guy and for what?
 
We were getting a lot of folks B and C level game under the previous terrible coaching/ownership, and he might be better with a more competent organization around him. I know some folks disagree with that as discussed on previous threads. We'll see.
 
Kingsfan23 said:
We were getting a lot of folks B and C level game under the previous terrible coaching/ownership, and he might be better with a more competent organization around him. I know some folks disagree with that as discussed on previous threads. We'll see.
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No questions there, the only problem is that Salmons A game still only warrants 10-15 min on a good team, and certainly not $7 mil.
 
I wonder if we could pair Salmons with Hayes to obtain a SF or C that a team wants to shed a multi year bigger contract or even expiring contract. Turn a teams 12 mill unwanted contract into half of that next year with the Chuckwagon still on board.

There still seems to be some moves that can be made.
 
No amnesty means Kings don't want to take on any more salary beyond this season. They're expecting to start paying Cuz next season after they (hopefully) extend him by Oct 30. I think they want to get to even with the salary cap going into next offseason with Cousins extension kicking in. Then they can make trades or S&T's next offseason. Then guys like Thorton, Outlaw, and Chuck become short term contracts. This is going to be a slow'ish rebuild, high draft pick next season, clear some space in 1-2 years, then go big for the new stadium year. This is my best guess.
 
dude12 said:
I wonder if we could pair Salmons with Hayes to obtain a SF or C that a team wants to shed a multi year bigger contract or even expiring contract. Turn a teams 12 mill unwanted contract into half of that next year with the Chuckwagon still on board.

There still seems to be some moves that can be made.
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What is Kenny Thomas up to these days?
 
It did not make financial sense to amnesty Salmons but it made every sense from the aspect of changing the culture and putting us over the line.

The moment we decided not to match Tyreke's offer it was a signal from the team that we are going back to rebuilding around Cousins and hoping to strike it big in the draft next year. In that case Salmons becomes somewhat a handy asset to have at the trade deadline for teams looking to shed salaries. If we kept Tyreke, and wanted to go after someone like Iggy, then amnestying Salmons made a lot of sense but as we stand today, it doesn't make sense with the direction the team seems to be heading in.

I don't think our roster is better than last season. In fact I think we got considerably worse and destroyed any salary cap flexibility we had with the signing of Landry.
 
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See, I don't get this it all. If you really want to change the culture, then John Salmons and Travis Outlaw should be the first two players sent packing. If you really think our players are proven losers and need to be shipped out then start at the bottom with the guys who are contributing nothing to the team. Don't ship out our second most productive player and call that change for the better if you're not willing to sacrifice a little money for addition by subtraction -- money which could then be used to find us an important backup. We're handcuffed to negative value in this guy and for what?
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Define "culture". I don't think I've heard a definition from DA, Vivek or Malone. At least not directly. To me, it means disciplined, tough, hard worker, unselfish, professional. I don't know about Outlaw, but I haven't heard derogatory comments on Salmons regarding the culture he brings to the team. In fact, just the opposite. Also, he's played on winning teams, so he's not a "loser". He's a lousy 3, but that doesn't mean he ruins the culture, imo.
 
Kingster said:
Define "culture". I don't think I've heard a definition from DA, Vivek or Malone. At least not directly. To me, it means disciplined, tough, hard worker, unselfish, professional. I don't know about Outlaw, but I haven't heard derogatory comments on Salmons regarding the culture he brings to the team. In fact, just the opposite. Also, he's played on winning teams, so he's not a "loser". He's a lousy 3, but that doesn't mean he ruins the culture, imo.
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I don't know what he's like in the locker room, but does that really matter? Based on his play the last two seasons, he's the very definition of a guy who's just there to cash a paycheck. It didn't even become clear to me just how much of a waste of space he is out there until I started doing grades at the end of the season. I don't think it's possible for a player to spend 30 mins on the court every night and do less to help his team win. When he does handle the ball he's almost always looking for his own shot and the rest of the time he's floating, avoiding any kind of exertion which might require effort. Maybe he's the greatest practice player in the league, but even that wouldn't justify his on-court play to me. Games aren't won and lost in practice. Giving those 30 mins to pretty much anyone else would already be an improvement to me. Even a sloppy, out of control rookie or D League callup at least has a chance of learning and getting better as the season goes on.
 
Just to point out:
Many KF's have been excusing Tyreke, etc for their bad play "because they had the worst coaches in the league to play under - now that there's real coaching, he'll probably play much better".

Why is it so different for Salmons?

Most observant KF's know the guy has some game, and those with good memory should remember how many times he has gotten hot and started nailing the elbow jumper, sprinkled in impressive drives and actually made the 3, combined with fairly lock-down defense at times.

What if his lackadaisical, uninspired, inefficient game was mostly/partly due to the f-ups in coaching staff?
 
IfAt1st said:
Just to point out:
Many KF's have been excusing Tyreke, etc for their bad play "because they had the worst coaches in the league to play under - now that there's real coaching, he'll probably play much better".

Why is it so different for Salmons?

Most observant KF's know the guy has some game, and those with good memory should remember how many times he has gotten hot and started nailing the elbow jumper, sprinkled in impressive drives and actually made the 3, combined with fairly lock-down defense at times.

What if his lackadaisical, uninspired, inefficient game was mostly/partly due to the f-ups in coaching staff?
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Who knows.. Salmons has always had a good poker face. You don't know if he's happy, sad or nonchalant. Maybe good coaching can re-invigorate his career. But yah, if we are going to use the "bad coaching" excuse then it should cover all the players.
 
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What if his lackadaisical, uninspired, inefficient game was mostly/partly due to the f-ups in coaching staff?
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His lackadaisical, uninspired, inefficient game now spans at least 4 coaches spread over 3 teams, including two winning teams that realized quickly that they had gotten overenthusiastic and dumped him as soon as they found a taker.
 
IfAt1st said:
Just to point out:
Many KF's have been excusing Tyreke, etc for their bad play "because they had the worst coaches in the league to play under - now that there's real coaching, he'll probably play much better".

Why is it so different for Salmons?

Most observant KF's know the guy has some game, and those with good memory should remember how many times he has gotten hot and started nailing the elbow jumper, sprinkled in impressive drives and actually made the 3, combined with fairly lock-down defense at times.

What if his lackadaisical, uninspired, inefficient game was mostly/partly due to the f-ups in coaching staff?
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Two things:

(1) John Salmons is a 33 year old veteran with 11 years of NBA experience now. Evans is a 23 year old who just completed his rookie deal. It's at least understandable why Evans would defer to his coach. Salmons coasting through games at this point in his career because he's already been paid is entirely on him.

(2) Tyreke Evans' "bad play" this season resulted in an 18.1 PER and .105 WS/48 in 31 minutes per game. Salmons this season produced a 10.1 PER and .034 WS/48 in 30 minutes per game. Evans is criticized often for failing to live up to his superstar billing. Salmons is criticized for failing to be a productive NBA player. These two things are not at all alike.

And I do remember how often Salmons gets hot and actually produces like a starting SF -- it's about once every two weeks. Maybe this will refresh your memory -- [game log]. The fact that John Salmons has game and still produces this garbage is exactly why I don't think he's a positive influence on the collective team culture. Get somebody that wants to be here to take his place. Maybe somebody less talented but willing to work hard. Because regardless of what he can do on paper, or which games you selectively remember him making his shots and playing tough defense, the fact remains that the vast majority of the time he's doing nothing of the kind and the numbers back that up.
 
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