Jimmer's trade value
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The only way Jimmer will have a career is because he is a nice guy and may very well be the best distance shooter in the NBA. This last game of shooting is just an extension of what he has been showing all this year. He is so darn weak in other ways and that has never been a secret. I could see him having a career as the wise vet who understands the game. He can be used in spots. It is very generous not to say his value is zero. I doubt if there are many late second rounders who could evolve, and he IS evolving, into the three point shooter we are seeing. Why trade him for nothing? He's not hurting us when he isn't playing. The same can't be said for a lot of players. As far as I'm concerned, he can stay with the Kings as long as he doesn't demand much money and wants to be here. I doubt if he would want to stay.
Considering the gamble that a 2nd round pick is likely to be, especially from the type of team that could currently use him, I'd rather keep him and try to resign him. He seems to be a useful bench player at the very least, as opposed to some of the dead weight we've had/currently have.
I think he's shown improvement, and I'd like at least one more year to see where that goes.
I think he's shown improvement, and I'd like at least one more year to see where that goes.
1) Right now the team has the 4th worst record in the league. We might be able to move up to the 7th worst record, but anything beyond that is unlikely, barring major trades at the deadline or a massive implosion of a few of the teams above us. While we have a non-negligible chance of moving into the top three picks based on ping pong balls, I expect us to be somewhere between 6 and 10. There are a few serviceable point guards in that neighborhood who are better than McCallum, but probably worse than IT.
2) There are a number of decent veteran point guards who will be attainable in free agency in the offseason either at vet minimum or MLE level money. Chalmers, Douglas and Hinrich each have their warts, but they would all be a defensive upgrade over IT.
3) Jimmer doesn't fit the roster. He knows that. The coach knows that. The front office knows that. I don't think the Kings will even make an offer in the offseason unless there are just no other options available.
2) There are a number of decent veteran point guards who will be attainable in free agency in the offseason either at vet minimum or MLE level money. Chalmers, Douglas and Hinrich each have their warts, but they would all be a defensive upgrade over IT.
3) Jimmer doesn't fit the roster. He knows that. The coach knows that. The front office knows that. I don't think the Kings will even make an offer in the offseason unless there are just no other options available.
OKC is apparently looking for a shooter off the bench. I am not sure why, since they will have Jackson, Fisher, and Lamb off the bench once Westbrook returns. In any event, here is the rumor: http://www.sbnation.com/nba/2014/2/13/5409624/nba-trade-rumors-thunder-shooter-pau-gasol
I wonder if they would be willing to give up their first round pick for Jimmer. They are likely drafting in the 28-30 range, where finding a real player is less likely and the salary is still guaranteed. I have always thought that the 27-30 picks are less valuable (or equal) to the 31-34 picks if only because you are considering the same range of players, but with less financial obligation. In any event, getting a first round pick for Jimmer that we can hold allows us to then trade our lottery pick in another deal:
i.e.- trade our existing first round pick (13-30 protected) to team X (Boston?). The remainder interest (1-12 protected) goes to Chicago. Whoever doesn't get the pick this year retains their rights for the next year. Team X has virtually no risk that we play ourselves outside of the top 12. Even if we use the pick to land Rondo, I think we are a far cry from moving out of the top 12.
I wonder if they would be willing to give up their first round pick for Jimmer. They are likely drafting in the 28-30 range, where finding a real player is less likely and the salary is still guaranteed. I have always thought that the 27-30 picks are less valuable (or equal) to the 31-34 picks if only because you are considering the same range of players, but with less financial obligation. In any event, getting a first round pick for Jimmer that we can hold allows us to then trade our lottery pick in another deal:
i.e.- trade our existing first round pick (13-30 protected) to team X (Boston?). The remainder interest (1-12 protected) goes to Chicago. Whoever doesn't get the pick this year retains their rights for the next year. Team X has virtually no risk that we play ourselves outside of the top 12. Even if we use the pick to land Rondo, I think we are a far cry from moving out of the top 12.
Sounds like OKC wants to just give up a trade exception to get a shooter. Technically, I guess trade exceptions are valuable, but they're not worth all that much. I'd rather get a second rounder. Very little chance that moneyballer supreme Presti would give up a first round pick, even in the 27-30 range for a half-season rental of Jimmer.
That said, Fisher is done. Jimmer is an upgrade in every way there. Jackson is a very good backup point guard, but he is not a shooter. He has IT's game, but with slightly better defense and no three point shot. From 18 feet and in, he is very good. Outside that, not so much. I would still take Jackson over Jimmer in most situations.
If the Kings want a backup point, you could do a Jimmer for Fisher plus second round pick trade. That leaves you with a backup floor general (in a loose sense) without risking the team getting very much better and screwing up the pick.
The Thunder have had interest in Jimmer before, I just don't know how he fits in a rotation with a healthy Westbrook. The depth chart would have him behind Westbrook, Jackson, Lamb and Sefalosha.
That said, Fisher is done. Jimmer is an upgrade in every way there. Jackson is a very good backup point guard, but he is not a shooter. He has IT's game, but with slightly better defense and no three point shot. From 18 feet and in, he is very good. Outside that, not so much. I would still take Jackson over Jimmer in most situations.
If the Kings want a backup point, you could do a Jimmer for Fisher plus second round pick trade. That leaves you with a backup floor general (in a loose sense) without risking the team getting very much better and screwing up the pick.
The Thunder have had interest in Jimmer before, I just don't know how he fits in a rotation with a healthy Westbrook. The depth chart would have him behind Westbrook, Jackson, Lamb and Sefalosha.
But if you go on the assumption that Jimmer is probably not on the team next year, it is a much different calculus. Do we really need guards this year? Ray Mac could play the 12 minutes a game that Jimmer is playing. Maybe we lose a few more games (maybe we don't), but we don't need winning guard play this year (not to suggest that Jimmer is a guard who would lead us to wins).
The point is that even if losing Jimmer means losing a few more games this year, I would rather do it if it meant we could get something of long term value- whether it is a draft pick or someone who will be here next year. I really doubt Jimmer will be here next year, so I am willing to play with less ideal guards this year to see if we can get something with more (any) long term value to the franchise.
The point is that even if losing Jimmer means losing a few more games this year, I would rather do it if it meant we could get something of long term value- whether it is a draft pick or someone who will be here next year. I really doubt Jimmer will be here next year, so I am willing to play with less ideal guards this year to see if we can get something with more (any) long term value to the franchise.