Jimmer starting tonight! What's your take?
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Dime Dropper
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Thornton is injured?
Section 101
All-Star
He got hit in the thigh last game. Has a contusion.
Dime Dropper
All-Star
Ah, I'd forgotten about that! Hope Jimmer just relaxes and doesn't think about things too much. His shot will fall if he takes things within the flow of the game and doesn't worry about missing.
I think it's a lot of responsibility to put on a rookie to expect him to run an offense. Especially a rookie who made his name as a flat out scorer who was exempted from playing any defense by his coach and then entered the NBA in a shortened season with no summer league and a greatly reduced training camp/preseason.
But that's exactly what Jimmer needs to try to do if he wants to have an impact on this team. Be a facilitator first, a deep threat/floor spacer second, an effort defender third and a scorer last of all.
I expect him to struggle but to also show some nice glimpses of what he can be as an NBA player.
Almost more important than what Jimmer gives us (to me at least) is what Tyreke does. With Thornton out he should shoulder some of the scoring load. But can he do that while still being the defender, rebounder and distributor that he's been in the last couple games? He needs to have a big game as well as a varied game to help the Kings to a victory tonight.
But that's exactly what Jimmer needs to try to do if he wants to have an impact on this team. Be a facilitator first, a deep threat/floor spacer second, an effort defender third and a scorer last of all.
I expect him to struggle but to also show some nice glimpses of what he can be as an NBA player.
Almost more important than what Jimmer gives us (to me at least) is what Tyreke does. With Thornton out he should shoulder some of the scoring load. But can he do that while still being the defender, rebounder and distributor that he's been in the last couple games? He needs to have a big game as well as a varied game to help the Kings to a victory tonight.
I believe that Jimmer can and will make this team better. Given the opportunity to start and not come in cold twice a game, I think we'll see his potential to make this team better. The other night some on this forum expressed displeasure at the long 3 he took and missed...for Jimmer it wasn't a long shot...his incredible range is one of the reasons he was drafted. I hope he does well and as a new Kings fan, I am expecting this team to surprise many.
rexb_kings
Bench
as much as I like Jimmer to succeed, I expect the Kings to be down early and playing catch up. Really hoping I'm wrong.
I still have great expectations for Jimmer, but it's obvious that not having a normal practice/training due to the lockout has really hindered his ability to get going. I KNOW he is better than this.
I realize it's the NBA and another level and all... but watching him play right now, it's just not Jimmer.
I don't nkow if it's lack of practice with the team, coaching, nerves, or a combination of all three... but right now he is just not playing his game. He looks very nervous out there, which isn't like him. Hopefully this season can be a learning experience for him and he can improve. He's really been dealt a rough hand.
I realize it's the NBA and another level and all... but watching him play right now, it's just not Jimmer.
I don't nkow if it's lack of practice with the team, coaching, nerves, or a combination of all three... but right now he is just not playing his game. He looks very nervous out there, which isn't like him. Hopefully this season can be a learning experience for him and he can improve. He's really been dealt a rough hand.
It's the forwards that are destroying us... you gonna blame Jimmer for that?
Bricklayer
Don't Make Me Use The Bat
Ok, so much for that. Getting a little concerned.
ParniValjak
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He still looks lost as you would expect the rookie to be. Obviously has trouble creating space and the teams have figured this out and are tightening up on him, making him look like a rabbit in the headlights as times.
Starting to worry a little bit. Having said that, player with that type of shot always find a spot in the league.
Starting to worry a little bit. Having said that, player with that type of shot always find a spot in the league.
Jimmer spends far too much time moving up to the three-point line, especially at the elbow, then turning his back to the basket to avoid losing the dribble. He doesn't have the handle to face the basket, he's not hitting shots right now, and those two things make me question why we play him so much.
Whether it's confidence or whether he needs to build his skills up, I'm not sure that we shouldn't consider a D-League stint for him once we're not so injured. Maybe he needs a few weeks worth of development where he's not so overmatched.
Whether it's confidence or whether he needs to build his skills up, I'm not sure that we shouldn't consider a D-League stint for him once we're not so injured. Maybe he needs a few weeks worth of development where he's not so overmatched.
Finally, another honest poster like sactownman, although a little bit more tender words.
.......and I agree. And his form when dribbling looks awkward at times especially his footing. Not exactly a good footwork of a good point guard, but very much like the footwork of JT and Rodman. He looks like he is going to trip himself sometimes.
.......and I agree. And his form when dribbling looks awkward at times especially his footing. Not exactly a good footwork of a good point guard, but very much like the footwork of JT and Rodman. He looks like he is going to trip himself sometimes.
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est.1999
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Nonsense, nonsense, nonsense. Pure, utter nonsense. Thornton is a bonafide starter in this league. Just because the team is a mess doesn't mean Thornton should be a 6th man. Even if jimmer played well tonight no way would it have pushed Thornton to the bench.
This is getting really, really old guys.
He's a rookie. He played for an awful coach who got fired - so now he's playing for a new coach. He plays for one of the current WORST teams in the league that has BEEN one of the worst teams in the league for some time. He has selfish teammates who don't (and have not been coached to) run an actual offense. He had no opportunity to have a normal workout/practice routine with the team due to the lockout.
It amazes me that you all focus so much on his flaws when he has actually been playing decently. Yet meanwhile you ignore the blatant issues with our "veterans"... stop using the rookie as a scapegoat for why this team has been one of the suckiest teams to suck lately.
He's a rookie. He played for an awful coach who got fired - so now he's playing for a new coach. He plays for one of the current WORST teams in the league that has BEEN one of the worst teams in the league for some time. He has selfish teammates who don't (and have not been coached to) run an actual offense. He had no opportunity to have a normal workout/practice routine with the team due to the lockout.
It amazes me that you all focus so much on his flaws when he has actually been playing decently. Yet meanwhile you ignore the blatant issues with our "veterans"... stop using the rookie as a scapegoat for why this team has been one of the suckiest teams to suck lately.
Name me one team Thornton would actually start on besides the Kings. Not only is he not a star, he's not even a great player.
He scores a lot because he shoots a lot. Meanwhile his assist numbers and ability (or willingness) to run an offense and distribute the ball are ABYSMAL. He is not a rookie. He has no excuse. He's just not good.
Fireplug
Bench
Well, we will never know because Jimmer did NOT take advantage of his opportunity, but this is exactly how coaches often make lineup changes. I have seen numerous times where a player gets hurt, another player steps in and takes advantage of the opportunity given them to shine and maybe even the team wins a few games, and then when the player comes back they are asked to do what is best for the team. Now I said nothing about whether this SHOULD happen to Thornton, but are you trying to imply that the Kings have made all the moves they "should" have made in the past?
I think Thornton would be equally efficient in either role, for what it is worth.
est.1999
Starter
You've lost your mind lol
And it shows. I just don't think it would hurt for him to be sent down and spend a few weeks playing against competitions intermediate between college and the pros.
This thread is about Jimmer. Not the veterans.
And, frankly, I don't see anybody saying that Jimmer is solely responsible for how the team is playing or scapegoating him. I see people concerned about his development. It's like you think we want him to fail or something. We don't. We want him to play like we think he can. That means getting his confidence back into his shot and fixing his handles.
I dont think Jimmers playing too bad actually. I think a reason why he looks worse than he does, is that our team's not used to having a player who's trying to run plays. A lot of our players have been doing a bunch of one on one. We see that in Thornton, Evans, and Salmons. It seems as if every time they get the ball, they immediately look for their own shot. If it fails, they pass off to one another, stand back, and watch them try their own one on one game as well. So while Jimmer definitely has some rookie pains, such as playing to the competition of the NBA, getting used to his teammates, and so on, it's not helping that our guys aren't helping him out. While Jimmer's trying to set up his teammates, the others have to play their part as well. If they sit back and stand, its going to make it a lot tougher on Jimmer, and as a team, to make some plays.
He seems to have some chemistry with our big men - Cousins, JT, and Hickson -, who for the most part play off the ball and as role players except for Cousins who has the ability of playing both on and off the ball. I think this is one of the areas where Jimmer's actually been pretty successful. It's going to take time for our perimeter players to get themselves involved. And not just to make it easier for Jimmer to run plays, but for the team as a whole.
He seems to have some chemistry with our big men - Cousins, JT, and Hickson -, who for the most part play off the ball and as role players except for Cousins who has the ability of playing both on and off the ball. I think this is one of the areas where Jimmer's actually been pretty successful. It's going to take time for our perimeter players to get themselves involved. And not just to make it easier for Jimmer to run plays, but for the team as a whole.
Tetsujin
The Game Thread Dude
If Omri -er, sorry, Jimmer were starting, we'd be the best team in the league...
deekay2o9
Bench
I think it's an issue of confidence. From what I can see, the opposing D really focuses on him every game so he can't get a shot off(shows how much they respect his shot). The few times he gets open, I think he gets excited and rushes it. He will find a way to work around it. One of these games, he will break out and get his confidence back.
Tetsujin
The Game Thread Dude
I'm not sure they're rushing him because they respect his shot at this point. Rather, I think they're rushing him because every single time he sees someone come towards him he panics and does something less than intelligent.
This response from Jimmer after the game sums up why all the kings players are struggling so bad:
"it's all a learning process we don't know 100% now obviously were everybody is going to be, so it's definitely tough, it's definitely a transition, but every game well keep getting more used to it and hopefully start winning some games."
They have no clue where anyone is going on the offensive end. There is no rhythm for them to get into. Every time down the floor something different happens and there is no consistency. No wonder everyone on the team has an awful shooting percentage. They don't have consistent places they are used to getting shots from. No one knows when to shoot, when to pass, or when to drive. Until this team gets an offense that is legit, they will all continue to struggle...period!
This has to be frustrating for the players. This is taking good players and making them look really bad. It is unfortunate.
"it's all a learning process we don't know 100% now obviously were everybody is going to be, so it's definitely tough, it's definitely a transition, but every game well keep getting more used to it and hopefully start winning some games."
They have no clue where anyone is going on the offensive end. There is no rhythm for them to get into. Every time down the floor something different happens and there is no consistency. No wonder everyone on the team has an awful shooting percentage. They don't have consistent places they are used to getting shots from. No one knows when to shoot, when to pass, or when to drive. Until this team gets an offense that is legit, they will all continue to struggle...period!
This has to be frustrating for the players. This is taking good players and making them look really bad. It is unfortunate.
Tetsujin
The Game Thread Dude
To be fair, Keith Smart has only been coaching th team for 5 days, three of those days having games. He's had no time to sleep, let alone put together an offense.
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