Jimmer is awful and not ready to play

[swisshh]

I am against any plan that involves Tyreke going back to PG.

 

[ElRey]

I was there at the game versus Charlotte. Jimmer looked as bad as I have ever seen him (even compared to his real NBA games) I think this has to do with Jimmer being thrust into the PG role against a full-on NBA court press from an unrelenting Charlotte team , and Bobby Jackson doing a really bad job of coaching. Jimmer obviously struggled against Charlotte, but Bobby Jackson didn't help him out much either. Against the press, it was mostly Jimmer and Thomas Robinson in the backcourt trying to break this press. Jimmer would pass the ball to Robinson often, and Trob would end up having to dribble against the press as well, often turning the ball over. Why you using your power forward to help break a press and bring the ball upcourt, I really have no idea. Why not bring more help to help break the press? The whole team looked horrible that day, not just Jimmer. Completely unprepared and looked like a high school team. They didn't come out after the 2nd half break until 1 or 2 minutes until start of regulation. I was wondering if they would ever come out at all!

I believe Alex English coached the second game against Lakers, and there was a big difference in how they played, though the Lakers are a much inferior team to Charlotte.

 

[ElRey]

IMO there's only one way for Jimmer to become valuable to us, and that's if he's played with Tyreke. That would bring us back to the original idea of having Jimmer essentially become Beno with better range, meaning Evans would still be the primary ballhandler and Jimmer would be used more as a shooter/secondary ballhandler. Right now there's no way Jimmer can handle being the main ballhandler.

IT wouldn't work because then Jimmer would have to match up with full-sized SGs, John Salmons doesn't pass to Jimmer and I'm not willing to make Twill our pointguard.

yes, I believe the original intention of the Kings was to have Jimmer play next to Tyreke. Jimmer was supposed to provide shooting to help Tyreke. On defense, Tyreke would guard the other team's SG and Jimmer would guard the PG. That is the only way I could see how Jimmer would work. you have to play him with a big lead guard that can bring the ball upcourt and handle the ball. Despite all his critics, Tyreke is not as bad a PG as some people on here think. I still think it's his best position. Just wish we could get a real SF so Tyreke would not have to play SF again.

 

[Prince_XY]

Jimmer cannot handle the ball like an NBA guard. His basketball form is actually of that of a trying-hard high school kid who wants to become a basketball player. This kid seems lacking any defensive skills of what so ever. He can shoot at College, but there are other players (with other skills) who we can develop into a spot-shooter.

IMO, there is terribly something wrong with our thinking if we think Jimmer will suddenly be of value to the team next season or if we are thinking of giving this kid some meaningful playing time. I think the only way I could give him any playing time in the NBA is if I am his father. Or worse, if I used to be a bench player and I sympathize with him because I can see myself on him.

Brutally and frankly speaking, the Kid is good but just not an NBA material.

 

[rainmaker]

yes, I believe the original intention of the Kings was to have Jimmer play next to Tyreke. Jimmer was supposed to provide shooting to help Tyreke. On defense, Tyreke would guard the other team's SG and Jimmer would guard the PG. That is the only way I could see how Jimmer would work. you have to play him with a big lead guard that can bring the ball upcourt and handle the ball. Despite all his critics, Tyreke is not as bad a PG as some people on here think. I still think it's his best position. Just wish we could get a real SF so Tyreke would not have to play SF again.

Without question. Jimmer needs to play off a PG who can penetrate, draw his defender and create good looks for him. Reke is the only guy we have who can do that. Then there's the defensive side where the PG next to him has to be big enough to switch over and guard the SG.

Jimmer and Reke actually player well at times last year. IT/Jimmer together did not. Why Smart played more IT/Jimmer than Reke/Jimmer, especially regarding defense, is one question of many regarding his decisions.

 

[Kingster]

IMO there's only one way for Jimmer to become valuable to us, and that's if he's played with Tyreke. That would bring us back to the original idea of having Jimmer essentially become Beno with better range, meaning Evans would still be the primary ballhandler and Jimmer would be used more as a shooter/secondary ballhandler. Right now there's no way Jimmer can handle being the main ballhandler.

IT wouldn't work because then Jimmer would have to match up with full-sized SGs, John Salmons doesn't pass to Jimmer and I'm not willing to make Twill our pointguard.

Jimmer played pretty well with T-Will last year. T-Will got him the ball. I don't think Tyreke is the prerequisite to get Jimmer going.

 

[Glenn]

I am against any plan that involves Tyreke going back to PG.

Then we have one PG. Play IT 48 minutes a game.

 

[RDub21]

Jimmer played pretty well with T-Will last year. T-Will got him the ball. I don't think Tyreke is the prerequisite to get Jimmer going.

I noticed this as well. I don't necessarily know why, but T-Will seemed to be the only guy on the team who would get Jimmer the ball. It would be nice to get T-Will re-signed to help Jimmer's play.

 

[Anthony1]

Jimmer cannot handle the ball like an NBA guard. His basketball form is actually of that of a trying-hard high school kid who wants to become a basketball player.

My question is.... how the heck did he survive at BYU ? How was he able to bring the ball up at BYU. How did our scouts fail us ? Could they not see that he can't handle any pressure at all (when dribbling) ? Our scouts need to be fired.

 

[Anthony1]

I am against any plan that involves Tyreke going back to PG.

I'm against any plan in which we keep Tyreke and DON'T put him back at PG. Where the heck are you going to play him ? Tyreke with the ball in his hands has some value. Tyreke without the ball, has very little value. Sure, he isn't the prototypical PG, but the Kings need to put him in place to enhance the skills that he does have.

If nothing else, just to showcase him to the rest of the league before the trade deadline.

 

[Glenn]

My question is.... how the heck did he survive at BYU ? How was he able to bring the ball up at BYU. How did our scouts fail us ? Could they not see that he can't handle any pressure at all (when dribbling) ? Our scouts need to be fired.

Poor competition. The Maloofs probably over rode any input from the scouts. At the workout, they hung around him like groupies. Oh, and I think a great deal of our scouts HAVE been fired as a cost cutting measure.

 

[Schmoe]

My question is.... how the heck did he survive at BYU ? How was he able to bring the ball up at BYU.

This was never Jimmer's strength at BYU either. Not many teams pressed. And when they did, BYU was very good at breaking that press. Tyler Haws, Kyle Collinsworth and Jackson Emery were all good ballhandlers and took much of that role. It was "get the ball past half court, then hand it to Jimmer."

 

[Npliam]

Poor competition. The Maloofs probably over rode any input from the scouts. At the workout, they hung around him like groupies. Oh, and I think a great deal of our scouts HAVE been fired as a cost cutting measure.

He didn't face poor competition at BYU. It wasn't the Big East but the MWC was good and BYU played several good teams OOC.

 

[Glenn]

He didn't face poor competition at BYU. It wasn't the Big East but the MWC was good and BYU played several good teams OOC.

What is your reaction to what is going on with him? I watched him several times at BYU and he was great to watch. There is no question why people loved him. I even backed him being drafted and would have drafted him higher. In other words, I am not the enemy. At the least, I expected him to not only shoot but to have them go in. They aren't. I don't even remember one game last year where he got hot and hit a whole bunch. Maybe there were a couple games but he hasn't been the Jimmer that I saw at BYU.

 

[Anthony1]

Tyler Haws, Kyle Collinsworth and Jackson Emery were all good ballhandlers and took much of that role. It was "get the ball past half court, then hand it to Jimmer."

Then Jimmer has no business even attempting to play PG in the NBA. The Kings should just focus on him being a capable backup SG. We can't even trade him for a box of peanuts right now. We're stuck with him for the length of his contract, but he definitely can get better at simply learning how to get open and being a deep 3 threat. Handling the ball longer than a couple of seconds, is not his specialty.

 

[Larry David]

What is your reaction to what is going on with him? I watched him several times at BYU and he was great to watch. There is no question why people loved him. I even backed him being drafted and would have drafted him higher. In other words, I am not the enemy. At the least, I expected him to not only shoot but to have them go in. They aren't. I don't even remember one game last year where he got hot and hit a whole bunch. Maybe there were a couple games but he hasn't been the Jimmer that I saw at BYU.

Jimmer always had the ball in his hands in college. He always had the green light and his offense came off the bounce with a wind up dribble. They did not use him in the pick and roll because the other team was going to switch. He dribbled into shots, and he shot a lot.

He wasn't much of a catch and shoot player, but he was also pretty good at that.

He doesn't have a great handle, but he could get past a lot of college players. With that skill and the fact that he might take and make a lot of deep threes, you didn't see a lot of players rushing to take the ball away from him.

Except for catching and shooting based upon shots created by other, which isn't something you nned a PG do a lot, it's a whole new game for Jimmer. He isn't very good at using the pick and roll. He isn't beating people off the dribble and it's not easy for him to score over the guys inside. While he's a willing passer, he's not a pass first guy. So no, right now he's not young Mark Price and there is little reason to play him at point.

He can't guard anybody, but he really can't guard shooting guards. Again, like seemling everybody on the Kings, he needs the ball in his hands to dribble into a shot. The Kings have a lot of players that do that better. But he also is having a hard time getting around pros, who know they can take the ball away from him. So defenders are rushing right at him to both close out the three point shot and take away the ball.

While he's not Reddick, he plays a lot like young Reddick right now. If you set the table for him, there is a good shot he hits a catch and shoot 3. Other than that, he's between so-so and bad at most other aspects of the game.

He was drafted by a GM that still wanted Evans to be "a guard" in a backcourt with two combo guards and owners that wanted him to sell a lot of tickets. There are a lot of reasons he is bad. His first step out is using the pick and roll to get good shots for himself and create easy shots for others.

 

[mac]

Jimmer always had the ball in his hands in college. He always had the green light and his offense came off the bounce with a wind up dribble. They did not use him in the pick and roll because the other team was going to switch. He dribbled into shots, and he shot a lot.

He wasn't much of a catch and shoot player, but he was also pretty good at that.

He doesn't have a great handle, but he could get past a lot of college players. With that skill and the fact that he might take and make a lot of deep threes, you didn't see a lot of players rushing to take the ball away from him.

Except for catching and shooting based upon shots created by other, which isn't something you nned a PG do a lot, it's a whole new game for Jimmer. He isn't very good at using the pick and roll. He isn't beating people off the dribble and it's not easy for him to score over the guys inside. While he's a willing passer, he's not a pass first guy. So no, right now he's not young Mark Price and there is little reason to play him at point.

He can't guard anybody, but he really can't guard shooting guards. Again, like seemling everybody on the Kings, he needs the ball in his hands to dribble into a shot. The Kings have a lot of players that do that better. But he also is having a hard time getting around pros, who know they can take the ball away from him. So defenders are rushing right at him to both close out the three point shot and take away the ball.

While he's not Reddick, he plays a lot like young Reddick right now. If you set the table for him, there is a good shot he hits a catch and shoot 3. Other than that, he's between so-so and bad at most other aspects of the game.

He was drafted by a GM that still wanted Evans to be "a guard" in a backcourt with two combo guards and owners that wanted him to sell a lot of tickets. There are a lot of reasons he is bad. His first step out is using the pick and roll to get good shots for himself and create easy shots for others.

We should take a look at Redick's young career and see what Orlando did to get him going. Redick has come a long way since entering the league, he's a good secondary playmaker and a high bball iq guy that will also burn you if you leave him open. He's also had to guard the likes of Ray Allen during the playoffs. I'd be perfectly satisfied if Jimmer could reach Redick's current level.