=LarryLegend=
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I was just thinking if Kings drafted Beal how about trading Jimmer and a future pick to Utah for Milsap? Start Milsap and Cuz and resign JT?
Jimmer and future pick for Milsap?
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rainmaker
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Unless Reke plays point, that won't work. If Reke goes to SG, than there's no room with he and MT. But Smart said he plans on bringing Reke back to play point in the future. Can't draft Beal unless you move MT or Reke on draft day. Do it later other teams know you need to trade one to clear space in the rotation, and therefor we'd get lowballed for either.
Aside from that, Milsapp in nowhere near the defensive presence we need next to Cuz. He's a good player, better offensively, but is undersized and doesn't offer much protection in the paint, nor do we need a shot muncher at PF.
Aside from that, Milsapp in nowhere near the defensive presence we need next to Cuz. He's a good player, better offensively, but is undersized and doesn't offer much protection in the paint, nor do we need a shot muncher at PF.
Big Cuz 15
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we already have hayes in the fold as lowpost fodder. we should call up houston and ask them if they wanna swap lowry for hayes+IT
Bricklayer
Don't Make Me Use The Bat
I don't think peope are understanding what we need up front.
Milsap ain't it. We've got an emerging great center up there. He's almost a guaranteed 20+ppg goto guy. But he's not an interior stopper. He's not Ewing, or Mourning, or Deke. He's more than Brad Daughtery, but then again so was I. Point being, between Cousins and our overflow of offensive minded perimeter guys -- and now you would be suggesting even another one with Beal -- there are NO shots for an offensive minded PF to take. Jason averaged 7.5 shots a game this year. His replacement won't get more. And we still need major minutes for a rim protector, which Cousins isn't. Add all that up and Paul Milsap is actually one of the very worst fits in the entire NBA next to Cousins. We need a long atheltic defenisve stopper who doesn't need shots. Mislap is a short defensively challenged offensive minded player.
Think great centers of the past and their frontcourt companions:
Mourning (PJ Brown)
Ewing (Oakley, Camby)
Shaq (HoGrant, Horry, Haslem)
Hakeem (Thorpe, Horry)
Admiral (Cummings, Rodman, Duncan)
Jabbar (Rambis, Green)
Daugherty (Nance)
Smits (D. Davis, A. Davis)
Yao never got to play alongside anybody -- they never found him his PF and he got hurt too soon. Mostly he was old Juwann Howard, Stromile swift, Chuck Hayes, whatever other spare part they could throw out there. Of course Orlando is going to lose Dwight after stupidly playing three point shooters next to him. If you want to call a spade a spade then Duncan counts too, and was paired with Rasho, Nazrmohammed, Admiral of course, Oberto, in recent years Blair sometimes.
Point would be that of all those many great offensive centers, the only wingman even remotely resembling Milsap was Terry Cummings, who was a better scoer than Milsap will ever be and started next to Admiral his first three years. Notably they didn't win anything and switched over first to Antoine Carr (a gift from us for Schintzius actually) and then quickly to Rodman.
That guy there has to be a defensive stud -- traditional you refer to the Oakleys and Haslems of the world as bodyguards for the great centers. Dirt workers and enforcers that let the centers concentrate on dominating. Since Cousins can't be the interior defensive anchor, it adds even more pressure for the guy to be abel to do that too. Can't be an offensive player though. No shots and no room for that.
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SacTownKid
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I like Millsap and despite not being a weakside help defender as a shotblocker, he's a solid defender. If you don't think pick and roll defense is important I urge you to watch these playoffs right now. The only team left with that kind of shotblocking is getting eaten alive by the pick and roll.
I agree though, someone would have to sacrifice themselves offensively and since I don't see a lot of value in this teams offensive players tranforming into defensive role players no thanks.
I agree though, someone would have to sacrifice themselves offensively and since I don't see a lot of value in this teams offensive players tranforming into defensive role players no thanks.
MassachusettsKingsFan
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Trading Jimmer doesn't really open up the type of minutes drafting Beal would require. I think we can do better than this anyway.
Big Cuz 15
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favors was their centerpiece of the trade for deron williams. essentially deron williams for MT + a future pick. that pick may not be worth squat if we make the playoffs every year in the future. jazz won't pick up the phone for that trade
bajaden
Hall of Famer
Have you ever seen him play? Never mind! Sometimes I think I'm just wasting my time watching all these games. I'll just ask you about Beal two years from now. And by the way, he's certainly not my choice for the Kings. But he's going to be a hell of a basketball player.
bajaden
Hall of Famer
Simple answer! I have no idea. I don't come with a crystal ball where I can say absolutely this player will or will not be able to defend. I can only guess, just like everyone else. But Its as educated a guess as I can make. And, its my opinion, and not the opinion of draftexpress or any other pundit. Thats the whole idea of watching the teams play. To think you can look at someone's college stats and know everything you need to know is pure nonsense. If that were true, no NBA team would bother hiring scouts.
As far as Iguodala goes, I have no idea what your talking about. I think we all know what his capabilities are, and where he ranks defensively. Do I think Beal can be a good defender? Sure I do! He's athletic and has good lateral quickness. He also has very good BBIQ, which is important to playing good defense. While he's only 6'3.5" in height, he has a very long wingspan. So yeah, he should develop into a very good defender. But that doesn't mean he will. So I'm not going to give out guarantee's either way. All I can do is project on his potential, and what he's done so far. As far as him playing SF, thats not true either, unless you want to say that when they played a 4 guard lineup, he had a big SF on his shirt. So in that sense, you might technically be right, but its a very misleading statement.
Now I'll give you this, Beal wasn't used to the best of his abilities due the team roster being guard heavy. So you could watch a game, and not be particularly impressed. But if you watched a lot of games, you'd have an entirely different opinion. One thing in his favor defensively is that he played for Florida, which always puts out good defensive teams. Besides, he's from St. Louis, my hometown, so he has to be good.
By bringing Iguodala into conversation I tried to express my thinking that Beal is a solid player without any elite skill now or projected down the road kinda like Sixers' SF except Iguodala is an elite defender and I don't think Beal will be one. I don't see him reaching top-3 SG status though low bust probability that he has should probably count for something.
KingsFanSince85
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I'm fairly certain that I'll be in the vast minority, but I want to see at least one more season out of Jimmer before I consider trading him. I know most have written him off already, as many seem to always do when they don't see immediate success, but I have not. Now if Jimmer needed to be included in a deal to acquire a legit game changer, I would understand. But I'm not into trading him soearly in his career just to trade him.... Especially for a marginal player.
Glenn
Hall of Famer
I don't think that Jimmer is mentioned so often in trade talk means he is not respected. Our problem is we have too many guards and there is no clear place for him. I don't think he can be a PG unless on the court with Tyreke or someone like that. It might be doing him a favor to trade him but I would never trade him just to get rid of him. The problem in using him in trade talks is that his value is not clearly known.
Arby's Roast Beef
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We don't need Millsap. But, in a vacuum, Millsap is so awesome, and is still only 27...this is highway robbery.
Problem was FO did not expect the 60th pick to come in and start getting 30+ minutes a game, and also did not expect that Jimmer would struggle so much. I'm hoping Jimmer manages to improve tremendously, because a ballhandler with very good outside range is a very good fit next to Tyreke (defense aside).
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