Jazz @ Kings Game Thread

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It was Finley's fault!
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On November 22nd 2002 Kings beat Suns 118 – 101 to improve to 10-4 for the season. Kings won a game in the 3rd quarter winning it 40-24. Kings were lead by Bobby Jackson’s 24/3/3/3, Webber had 21/13/6/1/3, Vlade had 18/6/5/2, DC had 18/3/4/3 and Pedja had 14/4/1/1. Bench consisted out of 2 players since RA was using his favorite 7 man rotation. Hedo had 13/2/1/2 and Keon had 6/5/1/1/3.. Kings shot better than 50% for the game.

Bobby Jackson scored 24 points and Chris Webber added 21 and 13 rebounds as the
Sacramento Kings recorded their seventh win in eight games with a 118-101 victory over the Phoenix Suns. Doug Christie and Vlade Divac contributed 18 points apiece as the Kings improved to 7-0 at Arco Arena this season after going a league-best 36-5 at home last campaign.

After Sacramento grabbed a 52-49 halftime lead, Peja Stojakovic scored 10 points as the Kings opened the third quarter with a 19-2 run. That gave the Kings a 71-51 lead with 6:25 remaining and they held on for their fourth straight win against Phoenix.

"It was an exciting quarter," Divac said. "We shot the ball well, made good decisions and we were active on defense. It was the best quarter we've played all year long."

[FONT=&quot]"Bobby has been playing at such a high level," Kings coach Rick Adelman said. "It's just amazing to watch him play. I know he was going to do the job for us while Mike (Bibby) is out. He's playing as well as any guard in this league."
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[FONT=&quot]Kings have their first losing streak of the season and their first home loss too as they drop two straight games to drop to 5-4 which is about the
middle of the pack for now. The schedule isn't going to get easier and Kings are banged up - so the next copule weeks could be rather challenging and it is also important to keep "in touch" with the best in the west (recordwise). We have 3/4 at home before having a stretch of 3/4 games on the road including visits to Dallas and SA. If we can go .500 in the next 8 games considering all things that are going on - we will be fine. At least we get to play Clippers.
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Finally, Kings played a game that I consider to be a real test in terms of the team development. We got to measure ourselves against the elite and now we have much better picture in terms of where we are. Injuries definitely offset the picture a bit but the basic principles are the same. We can separate differences into "fixable" and "permanent" and obviously some things will overlap.
We are permanently short / undersized and we will be paying for it every time that we face a real "big man" We can't even hide it.
Also our "team structure" is poorly constructed as we don't have enough options to cover certain position in case of injury or an off night.
Finally, we don't have a superstar or an authority with the refs.
The cohesion on the court is fixable but it will take time for us to get "in sync". Also as we get healthier (if ever) the dept will increase and maybe, just maybe our rotation will be bigger than 7/8.
Bottom line - we are not an elite team and we won't be with the players that we have. We can be competetive and we can beat those teams on any given night. We can't win 4/7 games - end of story.
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Finally, we can say that we aren't as good defensively as we hoped to be. Our defens will defend on the quality of the opponent. Every good big man will have a field trip and some big man that aren't very goo will have field trips too. Also our perimeter defense is not great in generall and Mike Bibby sucks in particular. We couldn't stop penetration against a girls JV middleschool teams. Ones we allow the penetration there is an imaginary 7'0 shotblocker. Our opponents have more layups playing us than playing each other in practice.
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Is it me or is the ARCO magic fading away slowly but surely. Is sounds much more like the NBA average arena these days. Obviously it has soomething to do with the product that is offered but it is also somewhat of a paradox. The team needs more support now than it needed when we were good. Can't fool the fans.
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Watching thousends of morons camping out to by the new playstation disturbed me very much because I realize how many people will never read a book and how many of those will end up in some kind of leadership positions in the future. But that was too depressing so I tried to imagine what would have happened if those people were NBA GMs and the 7 foot and above shotblockers were coming out on sale. Would have been a nice fight. Not interesting really. I was more interested in which GM's wouldn't show up and why not.
Here are teams in no particular order.
Indiana - Larry didn't go because none of the prospects had a gun license or any experience with strip bars
Philadelphia - King didn't go just to avoid Webbers crying
Knicks didn't go because Isaiah will overpay it on ebay anyways.
Miami wasn't interesting because there was no one older than 30.
Jazz didn't go because Sloan still suffers from Ostertag - syndrome.
Warriors didn't go because Nellie still suffers from Shwan Bradley syndrome and he doesn't believe in anything that tall
Kings didn't go because GP had a previous comitment. He was a guest speaker on "undersized PF position" speaking about "interchangable, high complex, multy position, flexible pieces - backed up by Mo Taylor" He did earn standing ovations.
Denver didn't go because they can't afford ant knie surgeries anymore
Portland didn't go because there was no player with a sufficient criminal record to satisfy high standards.
Suns didn't go because there was no one that couls shoot threes.
Memphis didn't go because they are on their way to get Oden.

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Playing Spurs shorthanded is hard. We still did well for a half butit wasn't enough. We had no answer for their frontline and we couldn't stop the penetration at all. Better and more talented team won the game and we will have to make this up somwhere else. At least Bowen did not do what he does best and it was also nice to see that Horry and Finley were non-factors. Joe Crawford sucked big time but what else is new ?
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AWARD TIME
Fabricio Oberto won TDM award with 13/4/2/1 and 6-9 from the field. He is tall, he can shoot and he plays with Duncan. Pretty lethal.
LW-VC was won by Mike Bibby mostly because KT had an impossible mission which he failed miserably BTW. The fact is that it is more expected from Bibby than from KT and therefore - Mike gets it
DC-DT award goes to KT who had to leave the game to schedule a dentist appointment but came back. He continued to suck but that has nothing to do with this award.
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Jazz are next and they are playing really well. They are tough as always. Their front line is pretty tall:(. Even if Kirilenko doesn't play - it will be hard to beat them. Depending on our ER report - we can beat them. Should be a good one.
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Mike - Mike Bibby always bounces back from bad performances and there is no reason to believe otherwise his time
Ron - obviously our best player and obviously not good enough to win a game by himself
Kevin - very consistant but maybe sometimes ignored too much.
SAR - will be tested
Brad - how much longet will he be out ?
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KT - never really bounces back from a bad performance and there is no reason
[/FONT][FONT=&quot]to believe otherwise his time.
Corliss - I would start him. At least he does something out there.
rest - mateen
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Muss - suffers from early stages of Adelmanitis. Call a time out man !. That is why You have them. Maybe he was in a hurry for another birthday party.
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Jazz have a best record in the NBA. They might or might not be overachieving at the moment but that won't really help us. Kirilenko - not playing - on the other hand would help us. Fronline Okur - Boozer - Kirilenko is scary. They are all so tall. TDM award will go to Paul Millsap just because I have never heard of him and he is 6'8. Fisher sucks !. The LW-VC award wll hopefully go to a Jazz player. The losing streak stops ere.
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Go Clippers !!!
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I continue to wait for the Jazz to come back down to earth. Maybe it will happen against us. Williams' development has made them much more lethal than I thought they'd be, but they still obviously aren't going to win 70. Sooner or later they are going to start to slip up some.

Thus far looks like I owe the people who advocated getting Boozer an apology though. No, he can't solve your defensive problems inside, but I'm thinking a 20-13-4 PF would be looking pretty good right about now. May have taken the next step, albeit as part of an ensemble cast.
 
I continue to wait for the Jazz to come back down to earth. Maybe it will happen against us. Williams' development has made them much more lethal than I thought they'd be, but they still obviously aren't going to win 70. Sooner or later they are going to start to slip up some.

Thus far looks like I owe the people who advocated getting Boozer an apology though. No, he can't solve your defensive problems inside, but I'm thinking a 20-13-4 PF would be looking pretty good right about now. May have taken the next step, albeit as part of an ensemble cast.

I would settle for 15-8-3 and a block every night at this point in time.
 
Thus far looks like I owe the people who advocated getting Boozer an apology though. No, he can't solve your defensive problems inside, but I'm thinking a 20-13-4 PF would be looking pretty good right about now. May have taken the next step, albeit as part of an ensemble cast.

slight hijack - also shocking this year is Z Randolph averaging 26 and 11. Wouldn not have called either of those. If I'm not mistaken, both were rumored to be available this past summer :(
 
i was high on getting boozer.... too bad we dont stand a chance anymore...
 
I continue to wait for the Jazz to come back down to earth. Maybe it will happen against us. Williams' development has made them much more lethal than I thought they'd be, but they still obviously aren't going to win 70. Sooner or later they are going to start to slip up some.

As do I.

I have said all year that the Jazz are playing so far above their heads it's incredible...AK-47 is already injured, Boozer will eventually get injured, and then they will be nowhere near the level they are at now...Even injury free, I think they are playing above their heads.
 
Watching thousends of morons camping out to by the new playstation disturbed me very much because I realize how many people will never read a book and how many of those will end up in some kind of leadership positions in the future. But that was too depressing so I tried to imagine what would have happened if those people were NBA GMs and the 7 foot and above shotblockers were coming out on sale. Would have been a nice fight. Not interesting really. I was more interested in which GM's wouldn't show up and why not.
Here are teams in no particular order.
Indiana - Larry didn't go because none of the prospects had a gun license or any experience with strip bars
Philadelphia - King didn't go just to avoid Webbers crying
Knicks didn't go because Isaiah will overpay it on ebay anyways.
Miami wasn't interesting because there was no one older than 30.
Jazz didn't go because Sloan still suffers from Ostertag - syndrome.
Warriors didn't go because Nellie still suffers from Shwan Bradley syndrome and he doesn't believe in anything that tall
Kings didn't go because GP had a previous comitment. He was a guest speaker on "undersized PF position" speaking about "interchangable, high complex, multy position, flexible pieces - backed up by Mo Taylor" He did earn standing ovations.
Denver didn't go because they can't afford ant knie surgeries anymore
Portland didn't go because there was no player with a sufficient criminal record to satisfy high standards.
Suns didn't go because there was no one that couls shoot threes.
Memphis didn't go because they are on their way to get Oden.

Priceless, piksi ... and a little sad at the same time.

Nice job.
 
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Watching thousends of morons camping out to by the new playstation disturbed me very much because I realize how many people will never read a book and how many of those will end up in some kind of leadership positions in the future. But that was too depressing so I tried to imagine what would have happened if those people were NBA GMs and the 7 foot and above shotblockers were coming out on sale. Would have been a nice fight. Not interesting really. I was more interested in which GM's wouldn't show up and why not.
Here are teams in no particular order.
Indiana - Larry didn't go because none of the prospects had a gun license or any experience with strip bars
Philadelphia - King didn't go just to avoid Webbers crying
Knicks didn't go because Isaiah will overpay it on ebay anyways.
Miami wasn't interesting because there was no one older than 30.
Jazz didn't go because Sloan still suffers from Ostertag - syndrome.
Warriors didn't go because Nellie still suffers from Shwan Bradley syndrome and he doesn't believe in anything that tall
Kings didn't go because GP had a previous comitment. He was a guest speaker on "undersized PF position" speaking about "interchangable, high complex, multy position, flexible pieces - backed up by Mo Taylor" He did earn standing ovations.
Denver didn't go because they can't afford ant knie surgeries anymore
Portland didn't go because there was no player with a sufficient criminal record to satisfy high standards.
Suns didn't go because there was no one that couls shoot threes.
Memphis didn't go because they are on their way to get Oden.
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Raptors didnt' go because a Canadian 7 footer is acutally 6'4" American.

Utah Jazz won again tonight, meaning their "due for a letdown/loss" quotient just went way up.
 
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I found just the guys for them. They are twin brothers who are both excellent F/Cs playing in Lithuania, Ksystov and Darjus Lavrinovic. They both spent a couple of years in prison, where they played basketball against each other 6 or 7 hours a day, and emerged as NBA-grade athletes. I won't go into the sordid and bizarre story of what they went to prison for, but believe me, they would make perfect Jailblazers. And then Portland could bench Aldridge, Przybilla and Magloire for the next few years, just to torment us.
 
Yeah, Reef and Kenny can't guard him.

We'll see. He's not overwhemingly tall, or long, he's just overwhelmingly strong. He might very well run over us -- he's just better and more hardnosed than we are in there. But unlike the Duncan height/size nightmare, I'm not sure we are that much worse equipped to face off with a 6'8"/6'9" Carlos Boozer than are most teams. Think a giant key might be if Kenny can battle effectively with him on the glass.
 
Jazz fan here. Just wanted to let you all know that Kirilenko will more then likely be returning to the lineup this Wed..... Though he could be coming off of the bench.Good luck!
 
No biggie either way, we don't need AK to lose this one. As Bricklayer says,

"But unlike the Duncan height/size nightmare, I'm not sure we are that much worse equipped to face off with a 6'8"/6'9" Carlos Boozer than are most teams."

That means we have a 9% chance. Okur and Boozer alone should be able to deal with it.
 
As of 11/21 the Jazz have a whopping league leading 1760 perfomance rating compared to the barely above average 1620 rating of the Kings.


If Jazz win...
Jazz New Rating: 1775
Kings New Rating: 1605

If Kings win...
Kings New Rating: 1655
Jazz New Rating: 1725 - still league leading.

Current Top 5
1. Utah 1760-11
2. S Antonio 1722-11
3. LA Clippers 1682-8
4. G State 1670-11
5. N Orleans 1664-10

Current Bottom 5
26. Chicago 1520-10
27. Milwaukee 1517-10
28. Toronto 1494-10
29. Memphis 1494-10
30. Charlottle 1493-10
 
No biggie either way, we don't need AK to lose this one. As Bricklayer says,

"But unlike the Duncan height/size nightmare, I'm not sure we are that much worse equipped to face off with a 6'8"/6'9" Carlos Boozer than are most teams."

That means we have a 9% chance. Okur and Boozer alone should be able to deal with it.


The sad thing is that's true...:D
 
Missing Brad

The sad thing is that's true...:D

I didn't think I'd actually be missing Brad Miller, but it's becoming obvious that this team still needs a real center. Shareef is fine for fill in, but I'm afraid the longer we run this small ball line-up, the more we'll lose.

Does anyone really think this is a playoff team with Shareef and Kenny Thomas as our front line?

Also, why doesn't Mo Taylor play at all? How much worse could it have been on Sunday?

And I still don't have an answer for why Kevin Martin only played 31 minutes. 2 fouls are nothing.
 
Jazz

And these aren't the same old Jazz either. I watched them play the Raptors last night and despite letting the Raptors walk all over them for 3 quarters, they woke up in the 4th and dominated. They flipped a switch. Haven't seen the Jazz do that in years. They are playing with complete and total confidence.

Somebody needs to bust that balloon.
 
I didn't think I'd actually be missing Brad Miller, but it's becoming obvious that this team still needs a real center. Shareef is fine for fill in, but I'm afraid the longer we run this small ball line-up, the more we'll lose.

Does anyone really think this is a playoff team with Shareef and Kenny Thomas as our front line?

Also, why doesn't Mo Taylor play at all? How much worse could it have been on Sunday?

And I still don't have an answer for why Kevin Martin only played 31 minutes. 2 fouls are nothing.

You don't ever want to challenge "worse"... ;)
 
Much, much worse with him in.

Have you ever seen Mo T?

Duh, no..

Of course I've seen him play for years. He used to be a good shooter. So far this season, he's done nothing but accumulate fouls.

But still, what's worse than what we had on the floor on Sunday late?

If he's useless, why are we paying him. I don't understand keeping dead weight around when we let go two young athletic tall guys.
 
He's a PF with mediocre rebounding and shotblocking skills...so naturally a perfect fit at backup C for the Kings.

Whats hard to understand about that? :p
 
I think the whole Mo Taylor thing basically boils down to: he was available at the last possible moment, and management had to make a snap judgement about whether or not to get him. So they got him. Once they'd guaranteed him over a million dollars, they would have looked like idiots for cutting him a few weeks later (when they realized how worthless he was), so now we're stuck with him to keep management from looking stupid.

That's my guess, anyway.
 
I think the whole Mo Taylor thing basically boils down to: he was available at the last possible moment, and management had to make a snap judgement about whether or not to get him. So they got him. Once they'd guaranteed him over a million dollars, they would have looked like idiots for cutting him a few weeks later (when they realized how worthless he was), so now we're stuck with him to keep management from looking stupid.

That's my guess, anyway.

Sounds about right. Our management has been far to reactive, then proactive. If we want something bad enough we have to go for it and not wait. I understand we wanted to keep Bonzi and this really killed our offseason.

I really don't understand though why we can keep having such a glaring weakness in shotblocking/inside presence "Donut D". I really don't understand why GP can say that we are doing just fine at 4/5 when we obviously are not. I know the guy is close lipped about everything, but this is total BS. Other teams can and do play better small ball than us so we don't have this magical small lineup that teams cannot deal with. Look at the last 2 games to see that very clearly.
 
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