Jason Thompson Vents Frustration With Sacramento Kings

I think it's pretty clear Thompson thinks he should be getting more shots; that's the upshot of his beef. It's a mischaracterization to imply that he's frustrated just because he's with a losing team and a coaching carousel. Sure, he's frustrated with those elements, but he sure does talk a lot and emote a lot about those touches that he's not getting. Why should we believe that he wasn't clearly told to him what his role was? Does coach Malone really give the impression that he doesn't say what he means and mean what he says? Reggie Evans figured it out; surprise, surprise, he took Thompson's minutes. Enough is enough with Thompson. He's obviously had enough. It's time to give him what he wants - a different team.
The only thing that I think is "clear" is that you read into Thompson's comments what you wanted to. I think that you'd already made up your mind about Thompson, and that everything you heard just reinforced what your already thought. If you heard what he said and your takeaway was that the "upshot of his beef" was that he wants more shots, then you probably went into it with an agenda. Thompson has a lot of flaws, not the least of which appears to be an inflated sense of his worth as a player, but that was more a part of his problem than the central thesis.

I don't think it's a mischaracterization at all to say that he's frustrated with having been on a losing team and a coaching carousel. Why would it? What part of that assessment doesn't apply to Jason Thompson? What part of it isn't true? Why should we believe that he wasn't clearly told what his role was? Why shouldn't we believe it? Why should we believe that Thompson is lying? Has Malone ever said that he told Thompson what his role was, or was he speaking in generalities? Reggie Evans doesn't have to be told what his role is: you can look at Evans play for five minutes, and figure out what his role is: he's going to chase down rebounds, and that's about it. He's going to hustle on defense, but ultimately not be super-effective.

Thompson is a little harder to nail down: he's an adequate defender, an adequate rebounder, and adequate scorer, etc., but he doesn't have any elite skills. After you account for all the roster turnover this season, Thompson was, effectively, our second-best shooter from 3-10' (after Gay), as well as, effectively, our third-best shooter from 16'-3pt line (after Thomas and Cousins)... and yet, he wasn't quite good enough for "mid-range shooter" to be his defined role. He was second in DWS, third in BLK%, fourth in DRB% and TRB%, and tied for fifth in DRtg... and yet, he wasn't quite good enough for "defensive stopper" to be his defined role, either. He's not really good enough at anything to have a defined role, at least, not as a starter. As opposed to Evans, who has one elite skill, and is not good enough at anything else to even tempt you to try and have him do something different. Thompson's best role would be as a utility (read: third) big and, unfortunately for both us and him, he has only been allowed to play it once, when we had Dalembert; the rest of the time he's been here, he's been expected to do more than his skillset would suggest is reasonable.

I don't really think that the comments about shots are out of bounds, either. I mean, let's face it: when you're on a perennial lottery team, you should feel like there's more you can do to help the team, and you might feel that there's more than you're being allowed to do that can help the team. When a guy's field goal percentage goes up from the year before, and his scoring goes down, and the team is losing, I don't think it's unfair for him to say he might have been able to help out with a few more shots. Haslem's name was brought up more than once, but it's one thing to ask a guy to play like that when the team is winning, and the ball is moving, but it's an entirely different proposition to expect somebody to do that on a twenty-eight win team, when he sees that his teammates are playing selfishly. You look at guys around the league that you would, presumably, want Thompson to be more like: Haslem, and Splitter and Wright, etc., and what those guys all have in common is that they don't play on teams that don't share the ball, and they haven't played for five coaches in six years.

Ultimately, as Xiang Yu might have said, I don't think we've met the "real" Jason Thompson yet. Ideally, I'd like to see D'Alessandro sign a player that can be the defensive anchor we need as a starter, and place Thompson in the role he belongs in; only at that point, will we see the real Jason Thompson.
 
Yeah, JT has an unrealistic view of what his role should be. But as the longest tenured King he absolutely should be frustrated. He started as a rookie for a terrible Kings team and has spent every year since then with the team trying to replace him (and failing) while the team has never gotten any better. Even with all the uncertainty, terrible coaching and ownership the Kings won the exact same number of games last year as they did this season. If a player in Thompson's situation weren't upset I'd think they were just floating through and cashing checks.

That said, here's the real question for me. If JT were in the spot I think he should be - third big backing up both Cousins and the shotblocker/defensive anchor this team needs - and playing for a winning team would he still be unhappy?

That is, if he knew exactly the role - come off the bench, provide hustle and rebounding, guard the best offensive big, run the floor and hit open jumpers - and the team was winning and sharing the ball more would he still want out?

If so, then he needs to go. If not, then he simply has the same frustrations about this team that I do. That it looks rudderless with too much isolation offense and not enough defense and without the consistency that a contending team needs both from individual players and as a whole.

I've said repeatedly that I think the Kings currently have two starting level players in Cousins and Gay. I think IT is an ideal 6th man and JT is an ideal 3rd big. But Thomas is either bolting this summer or being resigned to starter money and Thompson wants out with the FO seemingly wanting to grant that wish. There's not even a guarantee that Gay returns. This team is a mess and while his reasoning is selfish, I don't disagree with JT's frustrations.

Which yet again highlights that this offseason is crucial for the D'Allesandro and the Kings. If he shows the ability to really make great moves and build a team then it could be the start of an upward trend. If he shows himself to be inept then I think you'll get one more offseason with PDA, one more terrible Kings season and then yet another full rebuild under another GM.
For those that question why others have stated it, this pretty much sums up why "everyone must go" from the previous regime. Except Cousins (and probably should have applied to Tyreke). Cousins had his role defined long ago.

The rest of the team is cultured to losing. There are guys that are fringe players getting starting spots and when the team sucks everyone thinks they are better than they really are. Some of these guys will get lucky and get a backup spot on a winning team and some will just go to another team full of losers. It's pretty important that PDA clear them out.

JT, he's been jerked around so much I don't think he can/is ready to accept that he is a 3rd big in this league, because he keeps beating out his replacements. He'll get paid well either way and probably have more fun winning and honestly it's the least we can do for him if we can get some value coming back.
 
You know, of all the players on this team, JT has bitched the least. He hardly ever complains, and yet he's been jerked around more than anyone else on the team. He's been through at least five head coaches since he arrived here. Every year they either trade for, or draft a player to play his position. How's that for a vote of confidence. And while I don't think he's the player we need at the PF position, at least as the starter, no one has been able to wrestle that spot away from him. So I think he as a legitimate gripe, at least in how he's been under appreciated. He's a hard worker who constantly works on his game. His limitations are his limitations and he is what he is. Our problem is, that what JT is, isn't the perfect fit for him or the team.

I also agree with hrdboild that if you name wasn't Thomas, Gay, or Cousins, you wern't going to get many touches. We were at the bottom of the league in assists. No ball movement. If you've ever played team sports, then you know how frustrating it is to become a spectator on your own team. After a while, you lose focus, and that edge you need to play at a high level starts to fade.


There's nothing worse than when you have a player in your squad who doesn't realize his role in the team. To go beyond that, there's nothing worse than having a player in your squad who doesn't realize his role in the team nor does the coaching staff know which role pertains to that aforementioned player. It's a lose-lose. His confidence will decrease and so will his passion for winning games. JT is good on boards and here, decent man-to-man defender and knocks down the occasional 15 foot jumper. But seriously, he's really useless for this team. He's a decent 3rd string big man. I can't believe how many stupid contracts we've plagued ourselves with. JT's is second worst after the infamous Landry.
 
There's nothing worse than when you have a player in your squad who doesn't realize his role in the team. To go beyond that, there's nothing worse than having a player in your squad who doesn't realize his role in the team nor does the coaching staff know which role pertains to that aforementioned player. It's a lose-lose. His confidence will decrease and so will his passion for winning games. JT is good on boards and here, decent man-to-man defender and knocks down the occasional 15 foot jumper. But seriously, he's really useless for this team. He's a decent 3rd string big man. I can't believe how many stupid contracts we've plagued ourselves with. JT's is second worst after the infamous Landry.
Do you realize how many guys JT has beat out for the PF position on the Kings over the past four or five years? Lots. So it's not like he has gotten a consistent or real try out. They seldom pass him the ball and when they do he scores. So what's he supposed to do? *****, I guess and he hasn't done much of that so he has my understanding.
 
There's nothing worse than when you have a player in your squad who doesn't realize his role in the team. To go beyond that, there's nothing worse than having a player in your squad who doesn't realize his role in the team nor does the coaching staff know which role pertains to that aforementioned player. It's a lose-lose. His confidence will decrease and so will his passion for winning games. JT is good on boards and here, decent man-to-man defender and knocks down the occasional 15 foot jumper. But seriously, he's really useless for this team. He's a decent 3rd string big man. I can't believe how many stupid contracts we've plagued ourselves with. JT's is second worst after the infamous Landry.

JT has started, and then come of the bench, and then started again, and then came off the bench again, but then he was asked to start again. He's played center, and he's played PF. If there's anyone that's tried to play the role he's been asked to play, it's JT. But you tell me, and while your at it, tell JT just what his role is! It's changed every year, and many times 2 or 3 time within the year. Your way too quick to be critical of a player that's done just about everything that's been asked of him. No, he's not a star and never will be. But given the minutes he's capable of putting up close to a double/double in most games. He doesn't demand the ball, and his defense has improved over the years.

I wholeheartedly disagree with you on his contract. Its a very fair contract compared to other players around the league, some of which aren't as good as JT. On Landry's contract I agree. I also agree that JT no longer fits on this team. Not because of his ability, but because of the obvious vision PDA and Malone have for the team. But you don't have to disparage a player in order to make that point.
 
JT defended the best Big this season game after game and never complained about his role publicly. Only when Reggie Evans was traded for did JT's defensive role lessen.

I think JT is valuable to have around coming off the bench to play either the 4 or 5.
 
Defense got better when Reggie Evans was in to. JT has a point, he's an offensive player without a role. That's managements problem. They tried to find a way out last year but JT got the K9 treatment on the trade market. Shocker.
 
Defense got better when Reggie Evans was in to. JT has a point, he's an offensive player without a role. That's managements problem. They tried to find a way out last year but JT got the K9 treatment on the trade market. Shocker.

Not so much anymore on the defense angle. JT's defense was notably superior against some of the best bigs in the game. He made life difficult for guys like Love, Davis, Aldridge. Sounds like he's gone, but this franchise has to be careful now.

These were some interesting stats this season:

Jason's net production (82games "production" stat is much like PER, but seems to run slightly higher than it for some reason. Not sure of the difference in formula) last season was a woeful -5.4, which is largely reflective of his general statistical lack of production. Not only no shots, but his worst rebounding year (which becomes a problem if he's showing signs he's a player who will only do the one if he's doing the other.

However, JT's on/offcourt per 100 possessions was an excellent +5.5, third on the team behind Thomas and Cousins. And I believe the explanation for that is precisely in that he began to be a really effective man defender in there for us. Low production/high +/- is similar to the way Bowen's stats used to play out. On the season we were 3.4pts/per 100 better on defense with Jason on the floor. In fact we were 2.9pts better on offense on the floor, perhaps because complaining aside, he stayed to of the way while still providing the threat of a midrange jumper. In any case, while +/- can lie to you sometimes, its worth noting if we are going to dump this guy. And hey, we dumped every single other guy who gave us a defensive boost last year, so why not continue. But if you're going to do it you better replace him with somebody fullsized able to do the same. We can't get any worse defensively without just stinking inot the ocean ala Atlantis.
 
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JT is a role player, but he is a notch above the Reggie Evans/Danny Fortson offensive level, which is how he was treated this season. On a team with 3 first options, the rest of the offense has no role.
 
It's probably good for us if we get rid of him and even better for him to go somewhere else where maybe he can win and actually get the ball once in a while instead of watching chuckers chuck.
 
Alternately, we could remove a chucker and build a winner here in Sacramento, keeping JT as our third big.

Unless you like the idea of Landry in the post. (Or Acy, I suppose.)
 
JT might not be traded away if IT leaves (clearing up about 15-20 shots a game all of a sudden), but he is a solid trade asset, so he may be dealt to get another piece in return (or a pick). I am crossing my fingers that one of 2 things happen with IT: 1) he leaves 2) he accepts an offer of 5-6 million a year and we get a starting PG somehow and relegate IT to the 6th man role.
 
Honestly didn't like a lot of what I heard in this interview, hell you can't really blame him having this mindset but I didn't sit well with me, especially the stuff about guys posting their workouts on instagram, maybe he doesn't even mean people on this team but some guys might think he does, not the best line.
 
Not so much anymore on the defense angle. JT's defense was notably superior against some of the best bigs in the game. He made life difficult for guys like Love, Davis, Aldridge. Sounds like he's gone, but this franchise has to be careful now.

These were some interesting stats this season:

Jason's net production (82games "production" stat is much like PER, but seems to run slightly higher than it for some reason. Not sure of the difference in formula) last season was a woeful -5.4, which is largely reflective of his general statistical lack of production. Not only no shots, but his worst rebounding year (which becomes a problem if he's showing signs he's a player who will only do the one if he's doing the other.

However, JT's on/offcourt per 100 possessions was an excellent +5.5, third on the team behind Thomas and Cousins. And I believe the explanation for that is precisely in that he began to be a really effective man defender in there for us. Low production/high +/- is similar to the way Bowen's stats used to play out. On the season we were 3.4pts/per 100 better on defense with Jason on the floor. In fact we were 2.9pts better on offense on the floor, perhaps because complaining aside, he stayed to of the way while still providing the threat of a midrange jumper. In any case, while +/- can lie to you sometimes, its worth noting if we are going to dump this guy. And hey, we dumped every single other guy who gave us a defensive boost last year, so why not continue. But if you're going to do it you better replace him with somebody fullsized able to do the same. We can't get any worse defensively without just stinking inot the ocean ala Atlantis.

His individual defense has improved no question, still not great though, but his defensive awareness, pick and roll defense, and his team defense are not much better at all. He'll challenge shots once and awhile but it's usually at the expense of poor rotation and positioning to begin with. He does well defensively against the bigs you mention because they play more like wing players and do a lot of their damage based on their mobility. Jasons one major gift has always been his quick feet and he can take advantage of that against those types. I'm not a huge fan of JT at C but he can give this team 10-15 good minutes there and if he was willing to accept it he might be a decent rotation guy moving forward. Way overpaid but this team just wouldn't be the same without having a Kenny Thomas or two on the books would it?

Kings tried to dump this guy, the other guys were apparently the only ones other teams had interest in hence they left and a good portion of them went on to help playoff teams.
 
I find these statements to be incongruous:

... JT is good on boards and here, decent man-to-man defender and knocks down the occasional 15 foot jumper. But seriously, he's really useless for this team. He's a decent 3rd string big man...

But seriously, he's really useless for this team.

He's a decent 3rd string big man.

But seriously, he's really useless for this team.

Right... 'cause why would we need one of those? :rolleyes:
 
His individual defense has improved no question, still not great though, but his defensive awareness, pick and roll defense, and his team defense are not much better at all. He'll challenge shots once and awhile but it's usually at the expense of poor rotation and positioning to begin with. He does well defensively against the bigs you mention because they play more like wing players and do a lot of their damage based on their mobility. Jasons one major gift has always been his quick feet and he can take advantage of that against those types. I'm not a huge fan of JT at C but he can give this team 10-15 good minutes there and if he was willing to accept it he might be a decent rotation guy moving forward.
I wouldn't equate "We were better defensively when Thompson is on the floor" to "Thompson is a great defender," but maybe that's just me.

Way overpaid but this team just wouldn't be the same without having a Kenny Thomas or two on the books would it?
Thompson is not "way" overpaid. Is he overpaid? Sure. Is he "way" overpaid? Not really. Thompson is going to make $6M next season; that's more than he's worth, but still comfortably in the acceptable "third big" pay range. You want to know who's "way" overpaid? Tyrus Thomas is way overpaid, Brendan Haywood is way overpaid. Carlos Boozer, Andrea Bargnani, Omer Asik, Kendrick Perkins... they're "way" overpaid. Jason Thompson is only slightly overpaid.

Kings tried to dump this guy, the other guys were apparently the only ones other teams had interest in hence they left and a good portion of them went on to help playoff teams.
I tend to think that it's more accurate to say that D'Alessandro didn't quite want to get rid of him badly enough to take back garbage. My guess is that it was more like, "He's not worth what we're paying him, but he's worth more than what you're offering." Maybe they couldn't get the salaries to match in any other trade they wanted to make: the only guy we sent out in trade who had a contract similar to Thompson was Hayes and, if you find yourself in a situation where you can only get rid of one of them (and, to make the salaries match in the Gay trade, we could have only gotten rid of one of them), Hayes is the guy to get rid of.
 
I find these statements to be incongruous:


Right... 'cause why would we need one of those? :rolleyes:

The issue with Thompson is that he, like IT, believes that he should be a starter and get 10+ shots per game. He's WORTHLESS in that regard. He'd be a decent 3rd string big man for another team because of his once in a blue moon double-doubles and man-to-man defense. The sooner IT and JT realize their roles, the better it will be for their careers and Sac (if they so happen to choose to stay LOL)
 
The difference, though, is that I believe that sooner we get a "real" starting-quality power forward, the sooner Thompson will accept his role. I'm not convinced that the same sentence can be equally applied to Isaiah Thomas.
 
Alternately, we could remove a chucker and build a winner here in Sacramento, keeping JT as our third big.

Unless you like the idea of Landry in the post. (Or Acy, I suppose.)
I wanted Landry gone before we signed him
 
Always been a fan of the much maligned JT. He is a great roleplayer, forced into a role larger than he is meant for by our FO's inability to get a legit starting PF.

It's a shame, but he is probably not going to be with us next season. FO sees him as less than the player he is, JT sees himself as more of a player than he is.
 
Oh please. show us something, then.

lol has he really gotten that much better since his 2nd, 3rd, or 4th season with us?
Please.
 
Oh please. show us something, then.

lol has he really gotten that much better since his 2nd, 3rd, or 4th season with us?
Please.

He doesn't quite have those occasional Kenny Thomas "Oh $#@!" moments anymore when mishandling a lay-up, so at least he makes a couple of those.
He's improved with his patience around the basket, before he wouldn't even wait or pump fake, JT would just go straight up without any kind of awareness of who is around him. That's improved. His mid-range jump shot has gotten a little bit better, from what I've seen, statistics may show otherwise.
 
The difference, though, is that I believe that sooner we get a "real" starting-quality power forward, the sooner Thompson will accept his role. I'm not convinced that the same sentence can be equally applied to Isaiah Thomas.
Maybe easier said than done though, unless we luck out in the lottery.

Of course IT is going to be even worse I don't even want to think about that. No good team is going to start him though so he'll either take big bucks and be a starter on a bottom feeding team, accept his role in the NBA, or take whatever we give him for something likely to be in between.
 
Oh please. show us something, then.

lol has he really gotten that much better since his 2nd, 3rd, or 4th season with us?
Please.

4 yr college players quite often do not. That's the tradeoff in drafting older guys. They are closing in on their potential by the 2nd year.
 
JT might not be traded away if IT leaves (clearing up about 15-20 shots a game all of a sudden), but he is a solid trade asset, so he may be dealt to get another piece in return (or a pick). I am crossing my fingers that one of 2 things happen with IT: 1) he leaves 2) he accepts an offer of 5-6 million a year and we get a starting PG somehow and relegate IT to the 6th man role.
I wouldn't equate "We were better defensively when Thompson is on the floor" to "Thompson is a great defender," but maybe that's just me.

Thompson is not "way" overpaid. Is he overpaid? Sure. Is he "way" overpaid? Not really. Thompson is going to make $6M next season; that's more than he's worth, but still comfortably in the acceptable "third big" pay range. You want to know who's "way" overpaid? Tyrus Thomas is way overpaid, Brendan Haywood is way overpaid. Carlos Boozer, Andrea Bargnani, Omer Asik, Kendrick Perkins... they're "way" overpaid. Jason Thompson is only slightly overpaid.

I tend to think that it's more accurate to say that D'Alessandro didn't quite want to get rid of him badly enough to take back garbage. My guess is that it was more like, "He's not worth what we're paying him, but he's worth more than what you're offering." Maybe they couldn't get the salaries to match in any other trade they wanted to make: the only guy we sent out in trade who had a contract similar to Thompson was Hayes and, if you find yourself in a situation where you can only get rid of one of them (and, to make the salaries match in the Gay trade, we could have only gotten rid of one of them), Hayes is the guy to get rid of.


We've been around this before, I argue ideas not isolated singular words that are misused to inflate the basis of a point nobody was even talking about to begin with.

You can talk "maybe" all you want, go read the reports on the supposed Jarrett Jack for JT deal. The end result is all that truly speaks on the matter, the other guys are gone, JT isn't and the reports are of the variety that is wasn't for a lack of trying.
 
We've been around this before, I argue ideas not isolated singular words that are misused to inflate the basis of a point nobody was even talking about to begin with.
So you say... now. But you're the only one who felt it was necessary to point out that Thompson wasn't "great" defensively, when no one else said he was great in the first place. Don't blame me for taking your words out of context, when you're the one who's at fault for not articulating your thoughts properly.

You can talk "maybe" all you want, go read the reports on the supposed Jarrett Jack for JT deal. The end result is all that truly speaks on the matter, the other guys are gone, JT isn't and the reports are of the variety that is wasn't for a lack of trying.
The reports I recall involved Cleveland not wanting to take back salary; that's hardly the same thing as D'Alessandro not having been capable of moving Thompson, had he been determined to do so, and I hope that's not the only "evidence" you have in favor of such a claim.
 
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