Jarret Jack: Ain't nobody coming to Sac..nobody even knows its in California

Nobody knows Sacramento is in California? Haven't heard so pathetic statement in a long time.
I hope Chicago reach the playoffs instead of Toronto.
 
Most people know that Sacramento is in California. You learn that around 3rd grade. Many people don't know where in California it is though.
 
Tyreke is in the process of putting sac back on the nba map. When Bosh leave toronto, which I think he will, they will be forgotten.

Aside from that, I'm real happy we don't have Turk locked up with that rediculous contract. What a waste of money at this point.
 
ok lets stick to jack bashing.. not canada bashing lol.

torontos a beautiful city and Canadas a wonderful country. i was born in Ontario and have lived here my whole life. Live about 1.5 hours from tdot. and no im not typing this from my igloo beside my pet beaver.
 
rainmaker said:
Tyreke is in the process of putting sac back on the nba map. When Bosh leave toronto, which I think he will, they will be forgotten.

Aside from that, I'm real happy we don't have Turk locked up with that rediculous contract. What a waste of money at this point.
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yea they really effed up there, playing with superman made turkoglu seem like a superstar so they were kind blinded. but ya hes def on the decline.
 
Rupaul and Jarret Jackoff just got destroyed by one of the youngest teams in the game. Let em talk, they're not winning anything.
 
Players come to sacramento every year. And i wouldn't count bosh out completely because if all the money dries up before he gets that max, sacramento becomes 20million more times attractive. It is far fetched that that will happen because even utah has the ability to get bosh via boozer. Basically, All i am saying is, it is physically impossible for every FA this season to get the money they want. GAY-MAX, BOOZER- MAX, WADE-MAX, LEBRON-max, BOSH-max, Johnson-MAX, AMARE-MAX, paul peirce, dirk YAO and kobe have ETO, DAVID LEE wants money, Ginobili wants money. that is near 10 max or close to max contracts, lets take out Amare because he won't be offered enough to leave. Kobe is opting out, Dirk is opting out, PP may or may not opt out, but it is hard to walk away from KG AND 17million. So ~10 MAX level FA.

I would like to ask JJack if there is a scenario in which one of those 10 players pulls water from the well of NBA teams with money; but the well is dry, except for Sacramento?
 
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FakeInjury said:
Players come to sacramento every year. And i wouldn't count bosh out completely because if all the money dries up before he gets that max, sacramento becomes 20million more times attractive. It is far fetched that that will happen because even utah has the ability to get bosh via boozer. Basically, All i am saying is, it is physically impossible for every FA this season to get the money they want. GAY-MAX, BOOZER- MAX, WADE-MAX, LEBRON-max, BOSH-max, Johnson-MAX, AMARE-MAX, paul peirce, dirk YAO and kobe have ETO, DAVID LEE wants money, Ginobili wants money. that is near 10 max or close to max contracts, lets take out Amare because he won't be offered enough to leave. Kobe is opting out, Dirk is opting out, PP may or may not opt out, but it is hard to walk away from KG AND 17million. So ~10 MAX level FA.

I would like to ask JJack if there is a scenario in which one of those 10 players pulls water from the well of NBA teams with money; but the well is dry, except for Sacramento?
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Well Bosh isn't going to be 10th on anybody's list, and he can always go back to Toronto. So if he's not interested, he'll have plenty of options and just won't be coming.

However we are building something pretty good here and have that leader you need to really go places. Unless Bosh ends up taging along with LeBron or maybe Wade, there's a good chance he's going to end up spending the rest of his career looking up at us in the standings. Gotta be careful that those you disdain are actually inferior.
 
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FakeInjury said:
Players come to sacramento every year. And i wouldn't count bosh out completely because if all the money dries up before he gets that max, sacramento becomes 20million more times attractive. It is far fetched that that will happen because even utah has the ability to get bosh via boozer.
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Utah can't get Bosh via Boozer. Boozer is a free agent and you can't sign-and-trade two guys for each other. Utah could get Bosh via a sign-and-trade sending, say, Kirilenko (and change?) to Toronto, but I'm not sure why the Raptors would do that. Maybe they would, if they felt that was their only option, I don't know.
 
Bricklayer said:
Well Bosh isn't going to be 10th on anybody's list, and he can always go back to Toronto. So if he's not interested, he'll have plenty of options and just won't be coming.

However we are building somethign pretty good here and have that leader you need to really go places. Unless Bosh ends up taging along wiht LeBron or maybe Wade, there's a good chance he's going ot end up spending the rest of his career looking up at us in the standings. Gotta be careful that thos you disdain are actually inferior.
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I don't think its out of the question that Bosh might land here. I seriously doubt it, but its not impossible. Last time I checked Jack wasn't his agent, so I wouldn't be too concerned with his opinion. I would be concerned with the Kings offering Bosh a max salary though. I know a lot of folks would disagree, but I just don't think he's worth that amount of money. Because of the interest on this fourm in Bosh, I've spent quite a few nights watching Toronto play. And while I like him, the word superstar never springs to mind when I watch him play. And to my mind, Max contracts are for superstars, or at least should be.

I know that some don't like David Lee, and in no way am I advocating that we sign Lee. But Lee puts up similar numbers to Bosh. He just does it in a different way. And to be honest, Bosh isn't that much of a better defender than Lee is. This isn't meant to be a bash Bosh post. Its just that I place a different dollar value on him than some others would. If he was a younger version of Kevin Garnett, then I'd give him the bank. But he's not.. Wouldn't mind having him, but for the right price.
 
It's ok to bash Bosh, he's not a Kings...yet ;)

I do agreed however that he would be a nice upgrade but not worth the max.
 
bajaden said:
I don't think its out of the question that Bosh might land here. I seriously doubt it, but its not impossible. Last time I checked Jack wasn't his agent, so I wouldn't be too concerned with his opinion. I would be concerned with the Kings offering Bosh a max salary though. I know a lot of folks would disagree, but I just don't think he's worth that amount of money. Because of the interest on this fourm in Bosh, I've spent quite a few nights watching Toronto play. And while I like him, the word superstar never springs to mind when I watch him play. And to my mind, Max contracts are for superstars, or at least should be.

I know that some don't like David Lee, and in no way am I advocating that we sign Lee. But Lee puts up similar numbers to Bosh. He just does it in a different way. And to be honest, Bosh isn't that much of a better defender than Lee is. This isn't meant to be a bash Bosh post. Its just that I place a different dollar value on him than some others would. If he was a younger version of Kevin Garnett, then I'd give him the bank. But he's not.. Wouldn't mind having him, but for the right price.
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There's really no comparison. Lee is a stat padding smallballing center with a somewhat limited skillset. Bosh is the most complete offensive big man in the game. And yes, an obvious max $$ guy. The beauty of a guy like that with Reke is that he can stay entirely out of Reke's way and still do his thing. Of all the top bigs with possible exception of Amare he's the guy who it is easiest to draw up an offense for that leaves him a 20pt scorer at the same time Reke is Reke. Team him with Landry coming off the bench and your frontcourt offense would be absolutely potent.
 
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bajaden said:
I don't think its out of the question that Bosh might land here. I seriously doubt it, but its not impossible. Last time I checked Jack wasn't his agent, so I wouldn't be too concerned with his opinion. I would be concerned with the Kings offering Bosh a max salary though. I know a lot of folks would disagree, but I just don't think he's worth that amount of money. Because of the interest on this fourm in Bosh, I've spent quite a few nights watching Toronto play. And while I like him, the word superstar never springs to mind when I watch him play. And to my mind, Max contracts are for superstars, or at least should be.

I know that some don't like David Lee, and in no way am I advocating that we sign Lee. But Lee puts up similar numbers to Bosh. He just does it in a different way. And to be honest, Bosh isn't that much of a better defender than Lee is. This isn't meant to be a bash Bosh post. Its just that I place a different dollar value on him than some others would. If he was a younger version of Kevin Garnett, then I'd give him the bank. But he's not.. Wouldn't mind having him, but for the right price.
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I agree to a certain extent. While I would rather have Bosh than Amare, and I think Bosh wll be the best available pf this offseason, I am not at all convinced he's a max player. I watch Toronto a fair amount, and Bosh has a habbit of disappearing. IMO, his leadership is only a step above of Kevin Martins leadership abilities. Last night was a prime example of that, in that when we started to run Toronto out of the gym, you could barely tell Bosh was out there, and I have seen that on a number of occasions.

Of course their coach, and personel have something to do with that. But Bosh has stated he see's himself as not only a max player, but as a playr to build around. I don't see that at this point. I don't think he's as clutch at this point as our 20 yr old rookie. He's had his moments, but he's not on the same level as Kobe, Lebron, or Wade. Those three are max players. Bosh is more on the level of Amare and Joe Johnson.

I also don't like the idea of throwing a max contract at someone who plays one side of the ball. We are in desperate need of a center with a defensive presence, and Bosh doesn't help in either of those area's.
 
Bosh is good. Surefire all star, both in numbers AND in impact, which is equally important. In fact, he's largely the only one carrying that sad-sack team. But he doesn't want to come here, so the point is moot.
 
rainmaker said:
I agree to a certain extent. While I would rather have Bosh than Amare, and I think Bosh wll be the best available pf this offseason, I am not at all convinced he's a max player. I watch Toronto a fair amount, and Bosh has a habbit of disappearing. IMO, his leadership is only a step above of Kevin Martins leadership abilities. Last night was a prime example of that, in that when we started to run Toronto out of the gym, you could barely tell Bosh was out there, and I have seen that on a number of occasions.

Of course their coach, and personel have something to do with that. But Bosh has stated he see's himself as not only a max player, but as a playr to build around. I don't see that at this point. I don't think he's as clutch at this point as our 20 yr old rookie. He's had his moments, but he's not on the same level as Kobe, Lebron, or Wade. Those three are max players. Bosh is more on the level of Amare and Joe Johnson.

I also don't like the idea of throwing a max contract at someone who plays one side of the ball. We are in desperate need of a center with a defensive presence, and Bosh doesn't help in either of those area's.
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We are in desperate need of a second premiere player as well. One will get you to the playoffs. You need two to win it.

Let's put it this way: every championship contender this season spends upwards of $30mil on its frontcourt. Why? Because frontcourts win basketball. Not cheap half measures. Not good enoughs. Great, big, studs inside, teamed with a star wherever.

Trying to pick up Bosh as a franchise with nothing as a key to your future, ala a New Jersey or something, is a bit of fool's gold -- although of course you still do it with the hope that then you are one great player away yourself. But trying to pick up Bosh as the world's premiere wingman is an absolute slam dunk. He's better than Pau was when he showed up to help Kobe. A team with a legitimate superstar little and an All Star big is AUTOMATICALLY a contender. Every year. Look it up if you don't believe me. Its the ultimate NBA winning formula. There is no amount of money that is too much for that. The rest is gravy.
 
I would enjoy offering a max deal to a player like GAY because if memphis matches, They will effectively be taken out of the hunt for other FAs. Also, tendering Lebron or Bosh absolutely doesn't hurt anyone, it just says we have an offer that may change when it changes, but until then you are welcome to sign it. Sacramento can throw alot of wrenches into a lot of teams cap. Many players would have to collaborate in order for this offseason to work against the kings. If i were petrie, i would work as hard as i can to get talent from within the conference, like GAY, if Memphis matches what could be a FRONT loaded contract, well Memphis won't be shopping for FA's any time soon. If we pick up Adam Morrison on a 1 year tender, and give Brockman a small extention, plus sign 2 draft picks for the regular season, we will have enough money to offer a max contract in 2011 if we don't pick up a max man in 2010. Melo and Evans would be potent.
 
Bricklayer said:
There's really no comparison. Lee is a stat padding smallballing center with a somewhat limited skillset. Bosh is the most complete offensive big man in the game. And yes, an obvious max $$ guy. The beauty of a guy like that with Reke is that he can stay entirely out of Reke's way and still do his thing. Of all the top bigs with possible exception of Amare he's the guy who it is easiest to draw up an offense for that leaves him a 20pt scorer at the same time Reke is Reke. Team him with Landry coming off the bench and your frontcourt offense would be absolutely potent.
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Thats the way I look at it. Tyreke paired up with someone as dominant offensively as Bosh would be dangerous. Especially this early in Evans career where he can really learn to gel with his sidekick star. Bosh isn't exactly what you would call a defensive stopper... but that doesn't mean he doesn't play defense. In fact his length, athleticism, and awareness is pretty much an automatic upgrade defensively to any big man we have. Look at Donte who can defend some of the best PF's with decent success. Imagine that but taller and more experienced. If we can get a top 10 pick, possibly top 5 this summer, acquire an Al Jefferson, Bosh, or Stoudamire, and fill holes with whatever is left, that gets us deep into the playoffs for many years to come. And the younger the big man we can get, the more years we will be competing.
 
bajaden said:
I don't think its out of the question that Bosh might land here. I seriously doubt it, but its not impossible. Last time I checked Jack wasn't his agent, so I wouldn't be too concerned with his opinion. I would be concerned with the Kings offering Bosh a max salary though. I know a lot of folks would disagree, but I just don't think he's worth that amount of money. Because of the interest on this fourm in Bosh, I've spent quite a few nights watching Toronto play. And while I like him, the word superstar never springs to mind when I watch him play. And to my mind, Max contracts are for superstars, or at least should be.

I know that some don't like David Lee, and in no way am I advocating that we sign Lee. But Lee puts up similar numbers to Bosh. He just does it in a different way. And to be honest, Bosh isn't that much of a better defender than Lee is. This isn't meant to be a bash Bosh post. Its just that I place a different dollar value on him than some others would. If he was a younger version of Kevin Garnett, then I'd give him the bank. But he's not.. Wouldn't mind having him, but for the right price.
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I'm going to respectfully disagree with that second paragraph, and not just because I don't like David Lee's game, and think that he only puts up those numbers because of the garbage smallball system that he plays in (see Curry, Stephen). I think that the Olympics proved that Bosh is quite a capable defender indeed and, if anything, showed that, like most star/superstar players, he slacks off on defense because he's expected to play such a big role in the offense. Now, obviously, they don't all do it: Bryant is still a top-notch defender, as is James, and they are both the focal point of their respective offenses. But, you've seen how, with players like Anthony, Bosh and Wade (and Pierce, as well, though not in the Olympics, per se), how capable they are at defending when they don't have the burden of carrying a team.

I think that Bosh is significantly a better defender than Lee, and a better overall player. Still don't think he's worth a max deal, though.
 
Bosh can come to Sac, I'd love to have him. But if he doesn't want to come, that's cool, too -- He can spend the rest of his career watching Reke destroy his team just like he did last night.
 
Bosh did nothing for his current franchise, and i don't expect him to do much for the next franchise he goes to, unless it is boston, LA or San Antonio. And of those three teams, Boston is out of the question. Basically, If LA wins another ring, I expect movement of Bynum to the east coast. But, I really don't see Bosh as the best option for the kings. I see our best options as draft and develop, and wait for a young max player who isn't being negotiated with fairly by his current team.
 
^^^Kobe's a very good defender. Still is this season. Has one of the better impacts in the defensive side of the ball.

And for those comparing Bosh and Lee, it's just night and day. Slim touched on it--good player on bad team putting up stats. Lee's impact is FAR worse than his stats, and unfortunately, the way the NBA works is that players who put up numbers will always command big contracts. Lee's defense is a sieve and a huge reason why the Knicks surrender way more points than they can score. Troy Murphy's the same way--if these two play heavy minutes, their teams become far worse defensively.
 
After the game, Chris Bosh might have changed his mind about coming here, lol….But Jarret Jack…um…who? Lmao.

But seriously, I don’t think some of these players know how special Sacramento really is. It might not be NY, LA, or Chicago but the connection between the fans and the team is special. Plus, California is just awesome.
 
I would love to give Bosh a max deal starting next year. Reke + Bosh = instant contender. I don't understand what is not to love about this.

If Bosh wants a chance at a ring he should consider teaming up with the next great thing in the league - REKE.
 
Mitch Richmond said:
Is he? Then what was the Laker's reasoning behind signing Artest?
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1st, they didn't want Kobe to see Artest 3X during the season, and maybe more during the playoffs. 2nd, if Kobe doesn't have to guard the best player on the other team, it keeps him fresh for the 4th quarter = more wins = higher seed = more home playoff games = more than the Artest contract is worth. if things work out, Artest will make the Lakers more money than they pay him. Especially if it means Kobe has more legs for more years.
 
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