It IS Skinner (title edited)
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Bricklayer
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nbrans said:Oh god, here we go again.Brick knows better than Petrie, where have I heard this before?
It's not like Skinner was very good defensively. He blocked some shots, but he was also not a good one-on-one defender and gave up a ton of size to centers. I don't see how this is a defensive downgrade.
I'm guessing it's juuuuuust a tad easier to play armchair GM than to be an actual GM. But some people around these parts don't seem to get that.
Also, the last time we had this argument you were saying Petrie would never move Peja because of his supposed fondness, like a son, blah blah blah. Who knows more, Brick, you or Petrie?
Nbtrans, the difference is that you don't realize that you know as much about this team's needs as Geoff too, you just spend too much time with your nose buried in his posterior sniffing up the glory to realize it.
Basketball is not magic. Its not business. And there's not even a school or degree you go to to understand it. EVERY single sports fan out there has EVERY bit as much opportunity as the powers to be to understand what is going on. Its just a game. Not even an intellectual game. You or I cannot or could not PLAY the game at the level Geoff once did or the current Kings can, but that's it.
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Bricklayer said:
So you're telling me that if you were GM, you'd be able to convince another NBA GM to give us their big time shot blocker for the few peices that we have?
You refer to people thinking that the business side of basketball is magic. I tend to agree with that since you think its so easy to pick up an anchor in the middle.
Your comparisons stink:nbrans said:
Being an NBA player requires physical abilities that the average man on the street doesn't have... What does Petrie have that makes him more qualified to be an NBA franchise's GM, besides connections? Are you seriously telling me that you don't think that you could do what Isaiah Thomas does?
Bricklayer
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MrBiggs said:
I think that many teams around the league have picked up their defensive anchors, and we rather pointedly have not. I also think that we have had one of the most talented, in terms of total talent, rosters int he league for a long long time now, even when it isn;t all working togetheer. Other teams have found their anchors, thorugh the draft, free agency, trades, etc., working with less than we've had. Unless Geoff is just incompetent, which he is not, the only way to explain that is that we must be placing a lower priority on picking up, and PLAYING (the question of whether Rick will use them is important here too) that type of player than we do other types.
nbrans
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Bricklayer said:
I appreciate the backhanded compliment, and yeah, people can know basketball and you definitely know about as much as can be known from fan's perspective. It's just another order entirely to actually be the one accountable, to be the one making the tough decisions that are endlessly scrutinzed by millions, the one presented with the actual deals rather than the ones we concoct on Real GM, the one staying up all night for three day straight before the trade deadline trying to get something done. I don't think Petrie's infallible, but I have more respect for anyone who is an actual GM, from Isiah Thomas on up the line to Buford than I do for someone on a message board.
I don't doubt your or anyone else's knowledge of basketball, but we're not traveling with the team, attending practices, talking to players and coaches, hearing what's going on behind the scenes, seeing the proposed deals... in order to be as good or possibly even think that we know as much as Petrie we'd have to be privy to all that information. And we're not.
So yeah, we know basketball on this board. Do we know as much as Petrie? No way. Not even by a longshot.
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Warhawk said:
Petrie's fault or Adelman's?
And i think Keon Clark was pretty dang good. He would have worked out well if he wasn't a coke-head.
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nbrans said:
Um...Maloofs.
And he's the leader. The anchor has to be inside where he can cover for everyone else.
SacKings384
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MrBiggs said:
I think what Brick is pointing out, is that other teams HAVE a big time shotblocker, and the Kings do not, the Kings shouldn't have to try to trade for other big men blockets, when they should already have one. It has clearly been the Kings achiles heel. The fact that we have limited pieces is Petries fault as well. Wasn't that what the Webber deal was supposed to be? Giving us "moveable pieces" yet these movable pieces have resulted in Kenny Thomas, a never playing Corliss, and Vitaly Potapenko. I do indeed appreciate Petries moves, but sometimes I question his formula. As it took the Maloofs to come in and get Ron Artest when the Kings were clearly struggling and Peja was clearly gone at the end of the season. Furthermore, the Kings used to be the deepest team in the league, yet at NO POINT besides Keon, did the Kings have a shotblocker. A little difficult to win without a big man as anchor. And oddly enough I agree with Brick. Being a GM doesn't mean you know anything more than the average fan. Isiah Thomas? Babcock? There is no general manager school. To think that you or me could do this job isn't that far of a stretch. Perhaps one of us would have traded for Artest LAST year when the Kings needed him more. Or perhaps one of us would have done some deals that could have helped or hurt the team. But what makes Geoff so much more basketball knowledged than us? Other than the fact that he has a title.
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PFFFT!! said:
That's exactly what I was thinking when I heard we got 2 (let's say Soviet players). Is the Russian mob involved in this one?
I think it is good that we got some Soviet players in Sacramento, we do have a large Soviet population here and this gives them a few guys to cheer for.
I think we did o.k. with this trade by getting a young guy in Monia and a banger PF/C in Pota. Hopefully we'll use both of them more than Skinner got played. I really was hoping for a much bigger splash then this, but we have made huge huge trades in the last year. A athletic PF/C is not an easy find. A straight PF is one of the hardest, if not the hardest positions to play in the NBA. You are a scorer, rebounder, banger etc etc, making up for a Frankenstein Center a lot of times.
not too bad. Skinner is a nice player but hasn't been getting time off the bench this season. Potapenko can fill that roll and cost us less money at the same time, according to hoopshype.com's salary information. According to Hoopshype, Skinner is signed thru next season with a team option for 07/08. Potapenko is signed thru next season, so if those numbers are right, we cut some money there. Monia, from what i've read, could be a nice player. He's supposed to be a nice defender. I found some salary info on espn for monia, 1 more year aftr this one at a little over a million, so we didn't take on any terrible contracts here.
Given how Skinner has been used this season, I like this move.
Given how Skinner has been used this season, I like this move.
I'll ask again: what does Thomas have that you don't, besides connections? You seem to think that being a GM, in and of itself, makes one inherently more qualified, and astute in basketball, but what makes him more qualified? What is he capable of that makes him a superior GM which you seem to believe that you are inherently incapable of?nbrans said:
Tmassfan4life
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I have not seen ANYTHING saying this trade is official. Where are you guys getting all this info?
You aren't looking very hard.Tmassfan4life said:
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playmaker0017
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VF21 said:I'm sorry. I really should have made it more interesting, involving aliens, the space needle, AND Egyptian mummies.
I clearly didn't do my best work.
Dude, Egyptian Mummies play some hardcore defense from what I've heard ...
Andriod_KiNg
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I think its a win-win, Skinner wasnt going to get PT, and that wasnt going to change, so why not try some new guys, if they play well we can increase the rotation...
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