It IS Skinner (title edited)

SacKings384 said:
Trade isn't all that important. Doesn't really do anything for us at all defensively or offensively. Don't really even see the point.
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Cap space.
 
well.... one of the webber trio were traded and we gained nothing....

i hope that this works out in the end.....
 
AriesMar27 said:
well.... one of the webber trio were traded and we gained nothing....

i hope that this works out in the end.....
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Cap space, a young versatile prospect in Monia. Don't be ignorant.
 
Yoda said:
Monya is NBDL material...cap space is overrated.
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Yeah! I'd hate to use money on a player that Adelman doesn't use, hence keeping us from signing someone more useful!
 
Monia's gone to the NBDL at least once already, so he'd only be able to go down two more times, I think. Regardless, I still like him and think he'll be good.
 
Gonna miss Skinner, I liked the big lug.

But, at least now we've gotten our Euro quota back up. I was starting to worry.

Oh yeah, somebody needs to start giving Jerry Reynolds lessons on the proper pronounciation of Potapenko. That one's always brutal.
 
Yoda said:
Monya is NBDL material...cap space is overrated.
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So was Kevin Martin and Francisco Garcia at the beginning of the season.

It's amazing what a decent shot can do for a player and his confidence.

Monia may end up being a scrub, but I think he's been in a Boris Diaw type situation. He's been in a situation where he couldn't thrive. I think he's a system player, much like Boris. I don't think he's as multi-talented as Boris ... but he's a similar player in that he requires structure.
 
playmaker0017 said:
So was Kevin Martin and Francisco Garcia at the beginning of the season.

It's amazing what a decent shot can do for a player and his confidence.

Monia may end up being a scrub, but I think he's been in a Boris Diaw type situation. He's been in a situation where he couldn't thrive. I think he's a system player, much like Boris. I don't think he's as multi-talented as Boris ... but he's a similar player in that he requires structure.
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Agreed. Good points. There'll be a spot for him (next season, or if Bonzi's out), too.
 
Joel? Odoylerules?

ANY QUESTIONS? Comments?

;)

...


Sorry, I'll stop. It was just so tempting.

I'm going to purge the Farewell to Skinner thread now. He was fun and he will be missed.

:D
 
The HotList on ESPNNEWS is going to report on Potapenko being traded 3 times already today. Rich Buecher broke the Sac/Por trade and somebody else reported the 3-way trade between Den/Sea/Por. I don't have a lot of faith in Buecher, but I hope he is right.
 
I hate Vitaly though.

He used to score from everywhere in NBA Live 95 or 96.

I used to go nuts hearing:

"VIIIIII-TALY POT-AAAAAAAHHHH-PENKO! for two"

ARGH! The memories!
 
Potapenko obviously solves nothing inside, he's just a body. At least he's a little bigger than Skinner and can bang.

But hey, we essentially got an extra young defensive minded project player out of it, so what the heck. Hurts nothing really, and probably gives us a chance to evaluate Bonzi and Artest together out there.

On the other hand, helps nothing. Even if we make the playoffs we don't have the frontcourt muscle to actually be dangerous, and now we are facing the real possibility of having Bonzi go the way of the Mobley in the offseason. So the deal itself is fine, but it wasn't what we needed.
 
Four-way deal brings Watson to Sonics

Four-way deal brings Watson to Sonics
By Marc Stein
ESPN.com

Denver Nuggets guard Earl Watson, arguably mentioned in more trade scenarios this season than any other player in the league, is headed back to the team that drafted him.

The Seattle SuperSonics, desperate for a defensive-minded point guard as an alternative to Luke Ridnour, will receive Watson, swingman Bryon Russell and a future second-round pick from Denver in a four-team deal. NBA front-office sources told ESPN.com that the trade has been forwarded to the league office for approval before Thursday's 3 p.m. trading deadline.

The Nuggets, after unsuccessful bids to make a splashier move for Ron Artest and then Steve Francis, will instead import Sonics rebounding specialist Reggie Evans, Portland swingman Ruben Patterson and the Blazers' Charles Smith as a salary-cap throw in.

The Blazers joined in on the Seattle-Denver talks in its ongoing quest for salary-cap relief and receive Nuggets guard Voshon Lenard and Sacramento Kings forward Brian Skinner. Lenard carries an expiring contract ($3.5 million this season). With Patterson due next $7 million next season, Portland saves just over $3 million in salary.

The Kings will receive Sonics center Vitaly Potapenko and Blazers forward Sergei Monia. Potapenko has only one season left on his deal at $3.7 million in 2006-07.

Portland, though, was hoping for much more significant savings before Thursday's deadline by sending center Theo Ratliff and swingman Darius Miles to New York for a Knicks package built around the expiring contract of Penny Hardaway. Denver was likewise interested in the financial relief attached to acquiring Hardaway and was prepared to part with Martin, who's in the second season of a seven-year deal worth $90-plus million. The Knicks were interested in bringing Martin back to the Atlantic Division in spite of the former New Jersey All-Star's slow recovery from offseason knee surgery.

Yet those scenarios evaporated when the Orlando Magic held out for Hardaway's expiring contract in Wednesday's Francis deal. No other trades with the Knicks could provide the financial relief Portland and Denver were seeking.

Watson was drafted No. 40 overall by Seattle in 2001 but has struggled for playing time behind Andre Miller and Earl Boykins in Denver despite signing a five-year, $29 million with the Nuggets in the offseason. He has been mentioned in numerous trade scenarios since becoming eligible to be dealt on Dec. 15.

Denver wants Evans to solidify its injury-plagued frontcourt rotation, with Kenyon Martin, Marcus Camby and Eduardo Najera all in and out of the lineup and Nene lost for the season on opening night to a knee tear. Nuggets coach George Karl, meanwhile, has been pushing hard for Patterson, overlooking the eight-year veteran's stormy history in Portland because he craves Patterson's perimeter defense.

Link
 
Bricklayer said:
On the other hand, helps nothing. Even if we make the playoffs we don't have the frontcourt muscle to actually be dangerous
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Well, I don't think the solution is easy for that one.

It requires moving Reef or Miller. The more mobile, desired, of the two, I would bet is Miller. He'd get us a strong inside player. But, is anyone willing to lose Miller?

and now we are facing the real possibility of having Bonzi go the way of the Mobley in the offseason.
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Isn't that a foregone conclusion? Bonzi's gone. Let's just hope we can S&T him.

So the deal itself is fine, but it wasn't what we needed.
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But, it has the prospect of turning out big.
 
I disagree very strongly that it's a foregone conclusion Bonzi is gone. The situation is entirely different from that of Cuttino, who clearly never quite fit.

And we're now done with trades for this season. This is the team we go forward with...we'll have to see what happens.
 
VF21 said:
I disagree very strongly that it's a foregone conclusion Bonzi is gone. The situation is entirely different from that of Cuttino, who clearly never quite fit.
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I think before Artest - Bonzi fit.

Bonzi/Reef gave two low post players. Our SF was capable of shooting the deep shot and spreading the floor.

That's no longer really the case. Artest is a decent shooter, but not enough to really spread a floor or worry about from deep. He's far better inside, but not really dominating.

Bonzi can't help him from outside at all. Thomas and Reef are both probably better shooters from 20-feet than Bonzi.

I don't see how Bonzi fits anymore. I think he clogs the game.

I like him as a player - but with Artest, I don't know where he fits. Especially with the coming of Martin.
 
VF21 said:
I'd check realGM. I don't think that's right.
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Yeah i noticed that when espn's trade machine first came out. They're contract lengths are way off.
 
playmaker0017 said:
I think before Artest - Bonzi fit.

Bonzi/Reef gave two low post players. Our SF was capable of shooting the deep shot and spreading the floor.

That's no longer really the case. Artest is a decent shooter, but not enough to really spread a floor or worry about from deep. He's far better inside, but not really dominating.

Bonzi can't help him from outside at all. Thomas and Reef are both probably better shooters from 20-feet than Bonzi.

I don't see how Bonzi fits anymore. I think he clogs the game.

I like him as a player - but with Artest, I don't know where he fits. Especially with the coming of Martin.
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Here's the way I suspect this works for the remaining 28 games.

Miller
KT
Artest
Bonzi
Bibby

start, with the hope that KT and Bonzi together are enough to keep us alive on the glass, and with Bonzi & Artest doing the damage in the post.

Reef
Martin
Garcia

form an 8 man rotation for what is suddenly a potent bench. Garcia's recent showing at PG allowing this, and Reef handling backup C duties (ouch).

End result is balance and scoring across the lineup. Unfortunately that frontcourt simply will not get it done defensively.

Then we reassess in the offseason.
 
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Bricklayer said:
Here's the way I suspect this works for the remaining 28 games.

Miller
KT
Artest
Bonzi
Bibby

start, with the hope that KT and Bonzi together are enoguh to keep us alive on the glass, and with Bonzi & Artest doing the damage int he post.

Reef
Martin
Garcia

form an 8 man rotation in what is suddenly a potent bench. Garcia's recent showing on at PG allowing this, and Reef handlign backup C duties (ouch).

End result is balance and scoring across the lineup. Unfortunately that frontcourt simply will not get it done defensively.

Then we reassess in the offseason.
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Although I disagree that it is the "right thing" to do. It's probably the way it will work out.
 
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