Is Vlade the right guy to hire next coach?

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notoriousBEN3

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biltalent said:
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Kings tidbit: as they eye front office talent to join Vlade Divac, I'm told former Nets exec @BobbyMarks42 interviewed at facility today


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I don't know much about this guy, though my initial thought is that the Net's haven't been a particularly strong franchise for a while now either. Sure they've had some recent success with older guy experimen, which then failed and let them to where they are now, but before that they weren't particularly good either.

Does anyone have thoughts/know about Bobby Marks?
 
biltalent

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notoriousBEN3 said:
I don't know much about this guy, though my initial thought is that the Net's haven't been a particularly strong franchise for a while now either. Sure they've had some recent success with older guy experimen, which then failed and let them to where they are now, but before that they weren't particularly good either.

Does anyone have thoughts/know about Bobby Marks?
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He is a salary cap expert and reportedly has a good reputation around the League. Since being fired by the Nets he runs an successfull Twitter accout where he breaks down details about the cap and gives insights about how Front Offices work.
https://twitter.com/BobbyMarks42
 
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VF21

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biltalent said:
He is a salary cap expert and reportedly has a good reputation around the League. Since being fired by the Nets he runs an successfull Twitter accout where he breaks down details about the cap and gives insights about how Front Offices work.
https://twitter.com/BobbyMarks42
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And, for some reason, he seems particularly interested in the Kings - at least based on some of his tweets. :)
 
funkykingston

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Dbeltz24 said:
Bobby Marks would be huge for the FO. He is very experienced with the salary cap, players contracts and the CBA, which there were reports on Vlade struggling with earlier. According to Woj, Marks is well-respected in league circles. This would probably indicate that Vlade stays on as GM, and Marks comes on as the assistant GM.
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It's mostly semantics but I'd guess Marks would come on as GM and Vlade would remain Vice President of Basketball Operations. Bratz would stay as the assistant GM.

If Marks and Vlade mesh well and share their views/vision I think he'd be a great hire.
 
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206Fan

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funkykingston said:
It's mostly semantics but I'd guess Marks would come on as GM and Vlade would remain Vice President of Basketball Operations. Bratz would stay as the assistant GM.

If Marks and Vlade mesh well and share their views/vision I think he'd be a great hire.
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I don't want Marks here as the GM. Under the Brooklyn, he was just the cap guy...ironic considering now much Lopez+Dwill+JJohnson+Pierce+KG cost that team.

I remember that he had a really big say in that terrible Paul Pierce trade. He was actively trying to get him...

Not sure I want him on this team. Vlade shouldn't be hiring any assistant GMs either unless he's willing to stay as GM.

He needs to let his GM pick his assistants.
 
funkykingston

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206Fan said:
I don't want Marks here as the GM. Under the Brooklyn, he was just the cap guy...ironic considering now much Lopez+Dwill+JJohnson+Pierce+KG cost that team.

I remember that he had a really big say in that terrible Paul Pierce trade. He was actively trying to get him...

Not sure I want him on this team. Vlade shouldn't be hiring any assistant GMs either unless he's willing to stay as GM.

He needs to let his GM pick his assistants.
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I don't understand why people are hung up on whether Vlade's title is GM or VP of basketball operations. Either way Vlade isn't giving up decision making power to anyone else. He's filling the role that D'Alessandro would have had if he stayed - numbers guy who deals primarily with contracts, the CBA and the salary cap.
 
gunks

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Even though the season didn't pan out (thanks George), I still like the moves Vlade made. They were win now with a cohesive vision as to how the roster was constructed. He's been the first Cuz-centric GM we've had in the Cuz era.

So if Vlade needs a guy to help with the number crunching, while he still makes decisions, I'm cool with it.
 
Kingsgurl

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Dbeltz24 said:
Is he the right guy? Not sure. I think we should bring in another GM and have Vlade be the Assistant GM. I believe his voice should be heard, but I'm not 100% completely sold on him being the guy the decision ultimately lands on.
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Vlade was brought in to be in charge of Basketball Operations, PDA worked for HIM (and was thankfully fired with Vlade sliding into the GM spot in addition to his other duties) Vlade remains the guy in charge (as he should) and any GM added will be added BY him and work FOR him. Thank the basketball gods
 
bajaden

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notoriousBEN3 said:
I don't know much about this guy, though my initial thought is that the Net's haven't been a particularly strong franchise for a while now either. Sure they've had some recent success with older guy experimen, which then failed and let them to where they are now, but before that they weren't particularly good either.

Does anyone have thoughts/know about Bobby Marks?
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I follow Marks on twitter. He's a cap expert who was promoted to assistant GM a few years ago, and then I think demoted a bit by Billy King who brought in his own man. He was let go not because he screwed up, but because the owner is cleaning house and he's colateral damage.
 
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funkykingston said:
I don't understand why people are hung up on whether Vlade's title is GM or VP of basketball operations. Either way Vlade isn't giving up decision making power to anyone else. He's filling the role that D'Alessandro would have had if he stayed - numbers guy who deals primarily with contracts, the CBA and the salary cap.
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Because you said
I'd guess Marks would come on as GM and Vlade would remain Vice President of Basketball Operations.
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The GM is the one who one who has ALL of the power.


It makes absolutely 0 sense to bring in Marks as a GM when you're trying to say you want him as an assistant GM. Titles do matter. Clarification would help a lot. Marks isn't qualified to be a GM imo. He's always been a numbers guy.

bajaden said:
I follow Marks on twitter. He's a cap expert who was promoted to assistant GM a few years ago, and then I think demoted a bit by Billy King who brought in his own man. He was let go not because he screwed up, but because the owner is cleaning house and he's colateral damage.
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With all of the rumors that Vlade is looking for a new GM, it sounds like Vlade is bringing him in for a GM interview? Or it could be Vlade decides he wants to remain the GM and is interviewing Marks as an assistant GM.

It would be terrible if this was the case where Vlade wants to step down from GM, and decides he wants to interview Marks as a potential Assistant GM candidate. (Let your GM choose his assistants)
Of course, it's all speculation right now.

Mark isn't even on Pete D level of qualification right now. And I also remember him having a lot to do with the Celts trade (2016 1st to Boston).
I think it's interesting that we brought him in.
 
Bricklayer

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Let me attempt to help clear up some confusion:

VLADE IS THE GM.

VLADE IS THE GM.
VLADE IS THE GM.

VLADE IS THE GM.

VLADE IS THE GM!!!

Ok, now with that cleared up, we can get back to Vlade NOT interviewing Danny Ferry to take his job, but rather interviewing solid experienced behind the scenes guys, apparently on the cappish side. Probably a bit of a dig at Bratz, but Bratz was never a star. he's an ex-jock who apparently lives basketball, so he's the basketball side assistant GM. Now Vlade is looking for the basement gerbil side assistant GM to help on the transactional side. That doesn't mean when summer hits and people are calling about deals that Vlade isn't the guy answering the phone.
 
upinsmoke

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Bricklayer said:
Let me attempt to help clear up some confusion:

VLADE IS THE GM.

VLADE IS THE GM.
VLADE IS THE GM.

VLADE IS THE GM.

VLADE IS THE GM!!!

Ok, now with that cleared up, we can get back to Vlade NOT interviewing Danny Ferry to take his job, but rather interviewing solid experienced behind the scenes guys, apparently on the cappish side. Probably a bit of a dig at Bratz, but Bratz was never a star. he's an ex-jock who apparently lives basketball, so he's the basketball side assistant GM. Now Vlade is looking for the basement gerbil side assistant GM to help on the transactional side. That doesn't mean when summer hits and people are calling about deals that Vlade isn't the guy answering the phone.
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Let me get this straight. So your trying to say Vlade is the GM?
 
funkykingston

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206Fan said:
Because you said The GM is the one who one who has ALL of the power.

It makes absolutely 0 sense to bring in Marks as a GM when you're trying to say you want him as an assistant GM. Titles do matter. Clarification would help a lot. Marks isn't qualified to be a GM imo. He's always been a numbers guy.
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Geoff Petrie's title during his entire tenure was "President of Basketball Operations" and not General Manager. He had a similar title in Portland though I think he was a "Vice President" there.

Teams using different terminology is why the award is "Executive of the Year" and not "GM of the year"

This is like being hung up over whether Cousins is a center or a power forward when starting alongside WCS.

Vlade will be filling the role of GM regardless of what the new front office guy's title is.
 
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206Fan

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funkykingston said:
Geoff Petrie's title during his entire tenure was "President of Basketball Operations" and not General Manager. He had a similar title in Portland though I think he was a "Vice President" there.

Teams using different terminology is why the award is "Executive of the Year" and not "GM of the year"

This is like being hung up over whether Cousins is a center or a power forward when starting alongside WCS.

Vlade will be filling the role of GM regardless of what the new front office guy's title is.
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But the kings didn't have anyone present as GM during Petrie's tenure. What you're talking about is labeling Marks the GM.

None of this confusion would've happened if someone would've just clarified it was for a potential assistant GM job. Not the GM job.
 
Capt. Factorial

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Vaguely interesting news out of Reno:

http://www.sacbee.com/sports/nba/sacramento-kings/kings-blog/article64149152.html

In short, the Bighorns were forced to forfeit a victory because they used Duje Dukan during the all-star break, while he was required to have the time off as a player with an NBA contract. Given that the NBA sent out a memo about this, I'm not sure what Vlade and Peja are actually doing here. I love the "good ol' boys" thing, but if we've got two guys in charge of these teams and they're not able to follow the appropriate rules when they're specifically reminded to - what else are they missing? It just doesn't inspire confidence.
 
bajaden

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206Fan said:
Because you said The GM is the one who one who has ALL of the power.


It makes absolutely 0 sense to bring in Marks as a GM when you're trying to say you want him as an assistant GM. Titles do matter. Clarification would help a lot. Marks isn't qualified to be a GM imo. He's always been a numbers guy.



With all of the rumors that Vlade is looking for a new GM, it sounds like Vlade is bringing him in for a GM interview? Or it could be Vlade decides he wants to remain the GM and is interviewing Marks as an assistant GM.

It would be terrible if this was the case where Vlade wants to step down from GM, and decides he wants to interview Marks as a potential Assistant GM candidate. (Let your GM choose his assistants)
Of course, it's all speculation right now.

Mark isn't even on Pete D level of qualification right now. And I also remember him having a lot to do with the Celts trade (2016 1st to Boston).
I think it's interesting that we brought him in.
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You know, you, me, nor anyone else knows what Vlade is bringing him in for, and I refuse to waste my time arguing about what he's qualified for without even knowing first, that he's actually been hired, and second, what position he's going to fill. What I do know, is that right now, Vlade is in charge, and seldom in the world, does anyone hire someone and put them in charge of themselves!!!!!!! That premise is downright stupid. Regardless of Mark's position, Vlade will still be in charge. Final decisions will still go through him, and that's all I care about.

During Petrie's time here he had two people he hired that were cap experts. One left for greener pastures, and the other was shown the door when he tried to undermine Petrie. I'm assuming that Vlade, who has consulted with Petrie, is trying to set up a similar structure.
 
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206Fan

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Čarolija said:
Errr simply NO!!!

Wayne Cooper was the GM and Petrie was the president of Basketball Operations.
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No he wasn't. http://basketball.realgm.com/nba/teams/Sacramento-Kings/25/staff-members/Historical/player http://basketball.realgm.com/nba/te...ento-Kings/25/staff-members/Historical/player

bajaden said:
You know, you, me, nor anyone else knows what Vlade is bringing him in for, and I refuse to waste my time arguing about what he's qualified for without even knowing first, that he's actually been hired, and second, what position he's going to fill. What I do know, is that right now, Vlade is in charge, and seldom in the world, does anyone hire someone and put them in charge of themselves!!!!!!! That premise is downright stupid. Regardless of Mark's position, Vlade will still be in charge. Final decisions will still go through him, and that's all I care about.

During Petrie's time here he had two people he hired that were cap experts. One left for greener pastures, and the other was shown the door when he tried to undermine Petrie. I'm assuming that Vlade, who has consulted with Petrie, is trying to set up a similar structure.
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There are rumors that Vlade may step down as GM.
 
funkykingston

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ParniValjak

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206Fan said:
No he wasn't. http://basketball.realgm.com/nba/teams/Sacramento-Kings/25/staff-members/Historical/player http://basketball.realgm.com/nba/te...ento-Kings/25/staff-members/Historical/player


There are rumors that Vlade may step down as GM.
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Forgive me for believing official franchise documents as apposed to some website of highly questionale reputation. Yes, I know of realgm website....it's not exactly covered in glory except in the eyes of hormone raged teenagers who think running a franchise is exactly like doing it in NBA 2K.

Here is the official document from the last season that Petrie and his staff were in charge.

http://www.nba.com/kings/media/2011-12MediaGuide_staffv2.pdf

GEOFF PETRIE
President, Basketball Operations

WAYNE COOPER
Vice President of Basketball Operations and General Manager

MIKE PETRIE
Vice President, Basketball Operations
 
Capt. Factorial

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It's true that Wayne Cooper held the title of General Manager while Geoff Petrie held the title of President of Basketball Operations. However, I'm not certain what his duties were. Certainly everybody looking at the franchise from the outside considered that Petrie was ultimately in charge of talent evaluation and player personnel decisions - duties that are typically referred to as "General Manager" duties. I don't believe all teams have a PBO, and the existence of a PBO does not necessarily mean that the PBO takes the reins away from the GM in regards to talent evaluation and player personnel, but in the Kings' case that does appear to have been true.

If Vlade were to hire a GM and retain the title of PBO I would expect it to be a similar situation, where Vlade does talent/players and the GM does numbers/contracts/CBA/etc.
 
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