Is this team really going in the right direction?

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This is the last response I'll make with you because, frankly, it's just too frustrating trying to get you to understand what everybody except you in this tread already understands. The fact that certain teams got "lucky" is totally irrelevant. Yes, there is a certain amount of luck involved and it's not a 100% certainty that you will get a great player with a low pick (ask the Hawks about Sheldon Williams). I do think that 99% of posters in this forum would agree that your odds go way up in getting potentially a great player if you draft 1-5 instead of 10-15. Sure, there are many examples of great players that went 10+, but there are many more great players that went 1-5.

I'm not even sure what your suggestion is. The Kings don't really have a lot of options. They aren't going to package Thomas/Douby/Moore and whatever other trash we have for Amare. It's just not going to happen. They are puting themselves in a postion to have 2 high draft picks (one in 2009, and one in 2010 most likely) and potentially grab a decent free agent in the summer of 2010. It's very hard to turn an NBA franchise around in less than a few years.

My point is relying on the draft as the savior doesn't guarantee anything. More teams have been waiting for that guy then get him in the draft. You have to do whatever is available at the time to get better. Nobody really knows what trade options are out there, you can't just assume all the rumors are true. As of right now the only option is the next 2 drafts and the cap money in 2010.

Are you going to get a better player at 1-5 than 10-15? yes. But the odds that they are the superstar are low. And from the looks of this years draft there don't appear to be any on the surface. They may get you back to the playoffs or the second round in a few years.
 
Dirk, Kobe, and Roy are not on the teams that drafted them.

and just to take those 3 and add some more stars on each who were also not drafted by their current teams. Pau Gasol, Channing Fry, Jason Kidd (ala Steve Francis syndrome). I still like trades/free agent signings overall more than constantly keeping fingers crossed to strike gold in the draft. I wonder what Atlanta thinks about their #5 overall draft pick a couple years ago Shelden Williams - oh, that's right he's no longer on the Hawks.
 
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Dirk, Kobe, and Roy are not on the teams that drafted them.

Wow, I went through all of that, and this is the only criticism you can come up with? I guess I pretty much nailed it, then.

By the way, if you read carefully, I said in the previous sentence:

...many of today's top players are still with the team that either drafted them, or had their rights as of the end of draft night.

Dirk, Kobe, and Roy all fall into the second category. I see no meaningful distinction between the two. And I did make that clear, for those who were paying attention.

Oh, oops, the Kobe trade wasn't consummated until four days after the draft. I figured I'd point that out before you cherry picked it. Maybe I should change my qualification to or signed them to their original contract.

(Meaningless aside about Dirk and Roy: the Mavs and Blazers would have drafted them anyway - Dallas had the #6 pick, but felt Dirk would fall to #9 and tempted the Bucks into giving them extra in return (for Traylor!!) Thier gamble paid off. The Wolves wanted Foye, but wanted to pay him 7-slot money rather than 6-slot money so they held Roy hostage. The Blazers could have walked away with Foye if they wanted Foye, but they wanted Roy.)
 
and just to take those 3 and add some more stars on each who were also not drafted by their current teams. Pau Gasol, Channing Fry, Jason Kidd (ala Steve Francis syndrome).

You just said Channing Frye was a star. I want some of what you're smoking.
 
and just to take those 3 and add some more stars on each who were also not drafted by their current teams. Pau Gasol, Channing Fry, Jason Kidd (ala Steve Francis syndrome). I still like trades/free agent signings overall more than constantly keeping fingers crossed to strike gold in the draft. I wonder what Atlanta thinks about their #5 overall draft pick a couple years ago Shelden Williams - oh, that's right he's no longer on the Hawks.

So what are young going to trade with? Other players that you've traded for? I think Atlanta has a pretty nice roster now, and not much of it came from trades. Right now I would would be delirious to have a roster as talented as Atlanta's.
 
What gets me in this series of posts is how many very good players were traded for on draft day. Petrie has not done that ONCE in tenure with the Kings, despite the fact that the guy knows talent. It's very frustrating.
 
Again, the Jazz were lucky the Hawks were stupid and took Marvin Williams instead of CP3 or Williams when they needed a PG bad.

The Spurs got lucky in a year there was a TD to get with the #1 pick. Is Blake Griffin going to be a Tim Duncan?

The Suns got Amare with the #9 pick. That's 1 ahead of Hawes and 3 ahead of JT.

As for Boston, Jefferson was the 15th pick and Green was an 18th. They were not high picks. Also your comment on them having more youth and picks means they sucked for a pretty long time to aquire it and were never able to get that franchise type guy via the draft.

the point is you may get the player at a mid level pick. It doesn't have to be a top 3 or 5. The Kings already have a #10 and #12. How many does it take? A little hint. It takes more luck than draft position. And for the most part Petrie had been pretty good at judging talent.

What's your point? That the draft is no sure thing? Well obviously, no one is arguing otherwise, but it's a fact that the higher you are in the draft the higher your chances of grabbing the best talent. No, it doesn't mean you will, but the chances are greater and that's all you can reasonably expect, to better your chances. Nothing is a sure thing, nothing is guaranteed. We'll get a lot more value out of a higher pick than a mediocre record. It's not that getting more lottery balls is such a great cureall or something, it's that it's a much better result than finishing with some lame mediocre record, which gets rewarded with nothing. Sure, all-star level talent has been found in the middle first round, but what's the point getting a draft pick there when you can get one higher (and a better chance at a great talent) and end up with just as worthless of a record. This is rebuilding, it's not always pretty, but it's necessary. You don't get to have your cake and eat it too.
 
this team has no direction... when is adelmans contract up with the rockets? we should hold out on hiring a new head coach until after next season... let kenny natt be interm head coach until then and pick up adelman again... in the meantime trade for amare and gerald wallace.

#1 pick (rubio/jennings)/brown or baron davis
martin/garcia
wallace/greene
amare/randolph
hawes/moore or houton pick mle signing possibly trade for deandre jordan

its safe to assume that getting amare and wallace will cost us miller, salmons and thompson maybe even beno if we are lucky...

trade miller for wallace/may
trade salmons/thompson/beno for amare
trade shelden to gsw for randolph/williams
or
trade jackson/shelden/douby possible draft pick(hou or whatever picks we get in other trades) to clips for davis...

dont want to give up our picks unless of course all 3 trades happen during this season if not do it in the offseaon and exclude baron trade....
 
Wow, I went through all of that, and this is the only criticism you can come up with? I guess I pretty much nailed it, then.

By the way, if you read carefully, I said in the previous sentence:



Dirk, Kobe, and Roy all fall into the second category. I see no meaningful distinction between the two. And I did make that clear, for those who were paying attention.

Oh, oops, the Kobe trade wasn't consummated until four days after the draft. I figured I'd point that out before you cherry picked it. Maybe I should change my qualification to or signed them to their original contract.

(Meaningless aside about Dirk and Roy: the Mavs and Blazers would have drafted them anyway - Dallas had the #6 pick, but felt Dirk would fall to #9 and tempted the Bucks into giving them extra in return (for Traylor!!) Thier gamble paid off. The Wolves wanted Foye, but wanted to pay him 7-slot money rather than 6-slot money so they held Roy hostage. The Blazers could have walked away with Foye if they wanted Foye, but they wanted Roy.)

But they all gave up more for the pick than just trading draft positions except the actual roy for foye trade.

But do you realize how they got that #7 pick? It wasn't their own pick to start. They traded Thomas for Aldridge on that one.

How they got Brandon Roy:
Trade #1:
Portland Trail Blazers trade Sebastian Telfair, Theo Ratliff, 2008 2nd round pick to the Boston Celtics
for Randy Foye (the 7th pick in the 2006 draft), PG (and former Trail Blazer) Dan Dickau, and Center Raef LaFrentz.

Trade: #2
Portland Trail Blazers trade Randy Foye (acquired through Celtics trade) to Minnesota Timberwolves for University of Washington guard Brandon Roy.


As for Dirk, he and Pat Garrity #19 were traded for the #6 pick. It was the bucks who thought they were getting the better player. Yes Nelson wanted Dirk too, but it was a big gamble that he would turn into an NBA player let alone an all star. Oh, BTW they traded Garrity for little known backup PG named Nash then too.

Kobe force the Hornets to trade him. He was going to do that to any team that drafted him.

And for all the players nobody knew how good they would be. It was risky for the lakers to trade a known good big for an unknown small.
 
If you do not have the high pick to swap around on draft day, draft day trades are impossible too. It is ALLL about the high picks, whether you take your guy at #3, or trade your #3 for the #5 and get your guy there.

I will also note the completely obvious point -- EVERY single player that you get "lucky" to draft at #10 is there for you at #3. Every one. Only you no longer are depending on other GMs to have missed them. Getting a high pick ELIMINATES chance, not creates it.

I will also note this: title contenders this year:
Boston (Pierce)
Cleveland (LeBron)
Orlando (Dwight)
Lakers (Kobe)
Hornets (CP3)
Houston (Yao)

and if you want to stretch the definition of contender:
Spurs (Duncan)
Jazz (Deron)
Nuggets (Melo)

or really stretch it:
Suns (Amare)
Mavs (Dirk)
Blazers (Roy)
Hawks (Johnson)
Heat (Wade)

The cornerstone players of virtually every good team in the league. And in almost every occasion, drafted or traded for on draft day (virtually the same thing). There are only a couple of them who even share duties with a non-drafted guy (KG in Boston (who would nto be there without Pierce), Boozer with the Jazz, Yao is clearly in ascension in Houston with TMac fading, Amare clearly more of the foundation than Nash at this point). In any case, none of those teams woould be where they are today without their great drafted stars. Only 2 of them do not fit cleanly, and Kobe only if you squirm real hard -- he was for all intents a Lakers draft pick that they traded for on draft day and have kept for a dozen years. Only Joe Johnson does not fit -- like Nash a lesser player at the time of his free agency.

I will post this for the 100th time, but it truly is like showing pictures of Earth from space to a Flat Earther -- people will ignore the noses on their faces if they do not like them:

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My problem is that if we go through this crap for another 3 years, the Kings will most likely move due to low attendance or some BS. Thats my problem with this "direction".
 
this team has no direction... when is adelmans contract up with the rockets? we should hold out on hiring a new head coach until after next season... let kenny natt be interm head coach until then and pick up adelman again... in the meantime trade for amare and gerald wallace.

#1 pick (rubio/jennings)/brown or baron davis
martin/garcia
wallace/greene
amare/randolph
hawes/moore or houton pick mle signing possibly trade for deandre jordan

its safe to assume that getting amare and wallace will cost us miller, salmons and thompson maybe even beno if we are lucky...

trade miller for wallace/may
trade salmons/thompson/beno for amare
trade shelden to gsw for randolph/williams
or
trade jackson/shelden/douby possible draft pick(hou or whatever picks we get in other trades) to clips for davis...

dont want to give up our picks unless of course all 3 trades happen during this season if not do it in the offseaon and exclude baron trade....


Is this post some sort of joke? You have 3,400 posts and you came up with this? LOL
 
I will also note the completely obvious point -- EVERY single player that you get "lucky" to draft at #10 is there for you at #3. Every one. Only you no longer are depending on other GMs to have missed them. Getting a high pick ELIMINATES chance, not creates it.

I will also note this: title contenders this year:
Boston (Pierce)
Cleveland (LeBron)
Orlando (Dwight)
Lakers (Kobe)
Hornets (CP3)
Houston (Yao)

and if you want to stretch the definition of contender:
Spurs (Duncan)
Jazz (Deron)
Nuggets (Melo)

or really stretch it:
Suns (Amare)
Mavs (Dirk)
Blazers (Roy)
Hawks (Johnson)
Heat (Wade)

And again. Look at their draft positions.

I will also note this: title contenders this year:
Boston (Pierce) #10 1998
Cleveland (LeBron) #1 2003
Orlando (Dwight) #1 2004
Lakers (Kobe) #13 1996
Hornets (CP3) #4 2005
Houston (Yao) #1 2002

and if you want to stretch the definition of contender:
Spurs (Duncan) #1 1997
Jazz (Deron) #3 2005
Nuggets (Melo) #3 2003

or really stretch it:
Suns (Amare) #9 2002
Mavs (Dirk) #9 1998
Blazers (Roy) #6 2006
Hawks (Johnson) #10 2001
Heat (Wade) #5 2003

So where are all the other top picks from those years? Thats 14 players out of over 300 drafted in the 1st round. If you just go by top 5 picks for the 11 years thats a 15% chance (8/55). That means if you get a top 5 pick you have a 15% chance of getting a player you mentioned.

If you toss Kobe out and take the top 10 then its 13/110 or 12%.

So ya, there is still alot of luck required even getting a top 5 pick.
 
The Kings need to bring in a leader. Someone who has been in the league for 6-8 years that the young guys will respect.

Then draft a PG who can make others around him better. Beno probably makes others worse.

Then trade for or sign a PF like Boozer, Amare, or someone that understands how to play a "team game" and someone that's not in it for themselves.

So a good role playing FA signing, draft a PG who knows how to play PG.. None of this Beno crap anymore. And then trade for a PF who has played under a good system and understands "team ball". It will put us right back to 8th seed or so and then it's only up from there.
 
Teams get their cornerstone stars from the draft. Period. The exceptions are so rare and so easily distinguished as to prove the rule. And the reasons are very clear and very simple -- anybody who has one, a true one, isn't going to give them away for basically anything. You might get 3 or 4 superstar players moving a decade, and almost always the flawed ones. In any case, enough of that. People who continue to argue that point are like the Flat Earth Society. Just wanting something to be some way does not make it so.


As to the intial question, are we on the right track? Dunno. But we COULD be. And there is the scary and frustrating part. We are balancing on an edge here -- continued front office incompetence and we do exactly what the doomsayers say. We fall off and spiral into eternal rebuilding. But the pieces are actually there to do this right. If we could import Portland's front office for a ocuple of years I woiuld almost guarnatee we would be headed back towrd being a good team, although maybe not a great one unless osmebody in this upcoming draft really blossoms. But hell, let's just look at the factors from Geoff's perspective:

'98-'99 (the year Geoff suddenly got famous):
1) new coach (Ademan)
2) almost all veteran contracts purged,
3) result = capspace and sign Vlade
4) midrange lottery pick (#7 -- Jason Wiliams)
5) previous lottery picks fill out lineup and future (Peja, Corliss, Wahad)
6) megatrade of aging star for young superstar (Webb)

Of all of those, the only one that we have no obvious path to is #6.

Let's say I am made GM, and this season/offseason just wanted to ape how Geoff did it 10 years ago:
1) new coach (Saunders -- chosen because most similar in demeanor and style to Adelman, been close to the top, experienced hand)
2) trade Brad and Salmons midseason this year for enders/kids/picks; release Mikki and get half his contract money; during offseason see if Kenny can possibly bring back anything of value as an ender, or package him wiht Brad for an ender this year;
3) if you cleared the money for this offseason, the target would not be the megastar pipedream, but rather a lesser player. Like Vlade was a lesser player and yet meant everything. And so here: Hedo Turkoglu. Take advantage of the Magic's giant Rashard blunder, and just outbid them.
4) lottery pick -- at this pace our lottery pick could very well end up being better than midrange, with a little luck very high indeed. Weaker draft, but better pick. And we have Houston's #1 as well. And even potentially more booty if we did in fact trade Brad and Salmons.
5) previous picks to fill out the roster = Spencer, Thompson, Martin and Cisco. Greene as well. That's a considerably stronger crew than the Peja/Corliss/Wahad group of '99. May also be the solution to #6 -- if there is anybody available, start gathering up youth and picks, of which we have many, looking for that impact guy.
6) the hole, the mystery. Who is "the man" going to be? How do we trade for him. As I suggested, I think the answer is through our kids and youth. Let's renew the Amare pipedream for a moment -- not buying into the new system in Phoenix. So, you bundle Salmons, Thompson, Beno (Nash backup/replacement) and maybe even Green if necessary, and you offer the package to Kerr. this was merely an example of the sorts of packages ou can put otgether with accumulated assets.

Now just doing that, speculating and slavishly following the Petrie formula form '98-'99 (which alas he seems to have forgotten about), I could produce this:

C- Hawes
PF-Amare
SF-Hedo
OG-Martin
PG-#1 pick

6th- Cisco

Coach: Flip Saunders

And gee, we are winning again.

And the odds of that being the exact deal are extraordinarily low of course -- in particular the lack of superstar requires the highly speculative Amare deal and wil plague this team until we finally resolve it somehow. But when people say oh, we are so far away, oh we are doomed forever...not necessarily. We have assets and opportunity if somebody would just start planning to take advantage of them.
And I have to believe that this is the plan that Petrie has in mind. However, its much harder to pull off in practice than in theory. We are a small market team and as such its a slim chance we get someone else's superstar player. Unless another Webber for Richmond and Thorpe type deal comes along.

So we have to hope that we luck out and get our guy through the draft. This of course prolongs our suffering for another couple of season's while the superstar matures.

I think we are in a good position. Good young prospects in Hawes, Thompson and Greene and good players in Martin and Garcia. Plus the cap room that comes along.

I am hoping we can have some good fortune and land our superstar in the draft along with some other nice player via other picks. Pick up a good FA or 2 with the cap room and we are back in calculations

Question for you, do you think Blake Griffin or Ricky Rubio have that superstar potential? At least we have some decent odds at landing a top 2 pick.
 
So what are young going to trade with? Other players that you've traded for? I think Atlanta has a pretty nice roster now, and not much of it came from trades. Right now I would would be delirious to have a roster as talented as Atlanta's.

Not to steal Captain Factoral's job here, but 2 of their 5 best players came through trades (Johnson, Bibby), 2 were early picks (Horford and Williams), and 1 was picked outside of the lottery (Josh Smith).
 
And again. Look at their draft positions.

I will also note this: title contenders this year:
Boston (Pierce) #10 1998
Cleveland (LeBron) #1 2003
Orlando (Dwight) #1 2004
Lakers (Kobe) #13 1996
Hornets (CP3) #4 2005
Houston (Yao) #1 2002

and if you want to stretch the definition of contender:
Spurs (Duncan) #1 1997
Jazz (Deron) #3 2005
Nuggets (Melo) #3 2003

or really stretch it:
Suns (Amare) #9 2002
Mavs (Dirk) #9 1998
Blazers (Roy) #6 2006
Hawks (Johnson) #10 2001
Heat (Wade) #5 2003

So where are all the other top picks from those years? Thats 14 players out of over 300 drafted in the 1st round. If you just go by top 5 picks for the 11 years thats a 15% chance (8/55). That means if you get a top 5 pick you have a 15% chance of getting a player you mentioned.

If you toss Kobe out and take the top 10 then its 13/110 or 12%.

So ya, there is still alot of luck required even getting a top 5 pick.


Dude, you just don't stop do you? You are overanalyzing this to death. Please, put it to rest or better yet tell us what your point is. Should we trade Thomas and Quincy for Lebron? Maybe Orlando would part with Howard for a Miller/Thompson package? We have no chance of getting any superstar via trade or free agency. I can see us maybe getting Amare if some sort of minor miracle happened but even then it's a huge longshot.

Tell us what your plan is since you are so convinced that the draft isn't the answer.
 
So ya, there is still alot of luck required even getting a top 5 pick.

Of course there is. Luck factors in everywhere, regardless of draft position. I don't think that anyone has disputed that.

The difference, however, is that with good draft position, you're counting on luck to insure that A) you draft the right guy and B) he avoids injury and plays to his potential in the league. But picking later in the draft, A and B still apply and you've also added C) there is still someone decent left in the queue.

First to open the box of See's Candies has the best chance of avoiding the nasty cherry cordial. That's just the way it works.
 
we have to trade salmons and miller, bench the vets, trade kevin martin and fire the coach. IN THAT ORDER. salmons gets 20 a game. theres no better time to trade him. stats are up. we've already recieved an offer for miller, take it!! jackson, moore must go to the bench. we need to have a young 5 out there at all times. i would recommend beno, bobby brown, garcia, spencer and thompson as the starters from now on. kevin martin should not be untouchable here. i think he's as good as he's gona get. he has shown that he's not a physical player and he does not want to get stronger. im going to use a comparison with my favorite football team. the dallas cowboys. theyve choked the past 3 years. a fumbled snap, a 13-3 season followed by a 1st round exit, and then this year. i HATE that team. not the organization, but that team. the players on that team. i could never stop being a cowboy fan. because it goes back to the early 90's for me. watching the emmits and irvins and dorsetts. players that made that franchise. there is a golden standard and these current players have truly made me sick. same with this current kings team. bad personnel moves, bad coaching, selfish players that whine. make some moves, quit signing crappy players and let the younger guys grow together. signing beno to 6 years was a mistake. he's not as good as mike and he never will be.

right now the team is not going in any direction. they're not even moving.
 
we have to trade salmons and miller, bench the vets, trade kevin martin and fire the coach. IN THAT ORDER.

I don't think trading Martin is the answer for this team. While I don't think he will be THE GUY to win us a title, I certainly believe he will be a key part of our future. All we need to do is surround him with the right pieces.
 
we have to trade salmons and miller, bench the vets, trade kevin martin and fire the coach. IN THAT ORDER. salmons gets 20 a game. theres no better time to trade him. stats are up. we've already recieved an offer for miller, take it!! jackson, moore must go to the bench. we need to have a young 5 out there at all times. i would recommend beno, bobby brown, garcia, spencer and thompson as the starters from now on. kevin martin should not be untouchable here. i think he's as good as he's gona get. he has shown that he's not a physical player and he does not want to get stronger. im going to use a comparison with my favorite football team. the dallas cowboys. theyve choked the past 3 years. a fumbled snap, a 13-3 season followed by a 1st round exit, and then this year. i HATE that team. not the organization, but that team. the players on that team. i could never stop being a cowboy fan. because it goes back to the early 90's for me. watching the emmits and irvins and dorsetts. players that made that franchise. there is a golden standard and these current players have truly made me sick. same with this current kings team. bad personnel moves, bad coaching, selfish players that whine. make some moves, quit signing crappy players and let the younger guys grow together. signing beno to 6 years was a mistake. he's not as good as mike and he never will be.

right now the team is not going in any direction. they're not even moving.

I believe Kevin Martin lead the league last year in FT attempts or close to it so claiming he is not a physical player is unfair IMO. He is not afraid of contact and takes some pretty hard hits. What do you expect from a SG anyway? Is he supposed to mix it up with Shaq?

Your post is the same boring post that has hundreds of posters have put up over the past few weeks. It's nothing new. Trade Salmons, blah, blah, blah, trade Miller, blah, blah, blah, bench Mikki, blah, blah.....
 
of course its gona be the same. if you stink and need a shower people will consistantly tell you the same thing. some will joke about it, some will give you a speech, but they all will give you their point of view. like the cowboys, mistakes are apart of this team. they wont stop screwing up. its a vortex.
 
he draws fouls because players in the league create dumb fouls. its not like he's taking guys left&right and they have no choice but to foul or he'll drop 50. you are SO lucky martin didnt play in either one of the boston games last year. wouldve loved to see how many freethrows he wouldve gotten against a diciplined defense like the celtics. you dodge a bullet there!!!
 
Your post is the same boring post that has hundreds of posters have put up over the past few weeks. It's nothing new. Trade Salmons, blah, blah, blah, trade Miller, blah, blah, blah, bench Mikki, blah, blah.....

Tell us what your plan is since you are so convinced that the draft isn't the answer.

Is this post some sort of joke? You have 3,400 posts and you came up with this? LOL

What's your strategy for fixing this team?
 
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Dude, you just don't stop do you? You are overanalyzing this to death. Please, put it to rest or better yet tell us what your point is. Should we trade Thomas and Quincy for Lebron? Maybe Orlando would part with Howard for a Miller/Thompson package? We have no chance of getting any superstar via trade or free agency. I can see us maybe getting Amare if some sort of minor miracle happened but even then it's a huge longshot.

Tell us what your plan is since you are so convinced that the draft isn't the answer.


Now, I will say that a the begining of the season I thought it was a misake to trade Miller. With what has transpired today, if Petrie can get a young guy, expiring and draft pick then he should do it similar to the artest deal. The rumor for Wallace is a huge mistake. If there is a trade for salmons or moore that makes sense and you get value back then thats ok. Otherwise we are better off playing out their contracts. Don't forget Salmons has an option for the last year, his salary can be coming off in 2010 too. If he does opt out they are looking to have around $30 mil in cap space in 2010. Thats enough for 2 top FA.

You hope to get Griffin or a PG in the draft that pans out to be a player. I don't see anyone in this class except maybe Rubio who can be an upper level player. Beno needs a pretty big turn around to even be considered a backup at this point. We may need to draft 2 PG's if Brown doesn't look like one too.

Assuming nothing happens trade wise which is the only reality we can go on, you make a the offers to FA's in 2010. And to really help entice a FA they will need to have a very improved year so they can be the missing piece.

You also work the phones this summer to those FA's for a trade and contract extension before they become FA's. If the team doesn't think they will resign you may be able to snatch one early.

And all of this really doesn't make a difference if the right coach isn't in place to put it all together. Which to me means there are 2 front runners. Eddie Jordan and Elston Turner. If Petrie is going to continue with the same type players then you need a coach that uses them to their strengths.
 
What's your strategy for fixing this team?

Well if you read my posts then you would know. I'm a supporter of throwing this season and perhaps next season away to build a core of young players through the draft. I want the team to develop those guys as best as possible this season and next and then hopefully pick up a decent free agent in the summer of 2010.

I would also like to see Brad get traded ASAP for kids/expirings and I think the Kings should explore trading Salmons, but I would hold out for some decent players in return because I think Salmons is a huge value in the league. He shoots good percentages and plays defense. Sure, he has his negatives but who doesn't?

At the conclusion of this year, I'd like the Kings to let GP hire a veteran coach. Somebody like a Flip Saunders. Yes, I know he hasn't gotten it done in the playoffs, but either has Rick Adelman and everybody is still in love with him.

Any other questions?
 
he draws fouls because players in the league create dumb fouls. its not like he's taking guys left&right and they have no choice but to foul or he'll drop 50. you are SO lucky martin didnt play in either one of the boston games last year. wouldve loved to see how many freethrows he wouldve gotten against a diciplined defense like the celtics. you dodge a bullet there!!!

Your logic is ridiculously stupid. So you don't give him any credit for drawing fouls? The best you can come up with is "players in the league create dumb fouls?" Then why is it that every player doesn't get to the line 8 times a game like Kevin does? He does take guys left and right and he takes the ball hard to the hole.

Do you even watch Kings games or are you too busy rooting for your god awful Dallas Cowboys?
 
many players in the league create dumb fouls. any other conclusion is idiotic. it happens every game. how many times has cisco racked up 3 fouls in his first 8 minutes? my argument (which you cannot comprehend) states that "against a diciplned defense or in a game that matters" kevin martin would not get to the line more than twice. you're just like some of the others, continuing to use the freethrow card. and ive said over and over that getting bumped on the way to the basket is not a skill.
 
Well if you read my posts then you would know. I'm a supporter of throwing this season and perhaps next season away to build a core of young players through the draft. I want the team to develop those guys as best as possible this season and next and then hopefully pick up a decent free agent in the summer of 2010.

I would also like to see Brad get traded ASAP for kids/expirings and I think the Kings should explore trading Salmons, but I would hold out for some decent players in return because I think Salmons is a huge value in the league. He shoots good percentages and plays defense. Sure, he has his negatives but who doesn't?

At the conclusion of this year, I'd like the Kings to let GP hire a veteran coach. Somebody like a Flip Saunders. Yes, I know he hasn't gotten it done in the playoffs, but either has Rick Adelman and everybody is still in love with him.

Any other questions?

You cannot build a team by bringing in kids each year. It's going to take a veteran presence with leadership to solidify the team. Of course the Kings are lacking in that department so we should get rid of the veterans, but we aren't going to build a team drafting kids and hoping they turn into a leader. It's pretty hard to become a leader when the team you play for is in such disarray. Nobody would want to lead this group of clowns.
 
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